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post #321 of 352
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I spoke with Mike B. yesterday. He says that the Blog post is not his responsibility, but he was told it would be going up when he posted it was. He also said they are working with the legal department to see what they can do about supplying those who ask for grounded adapters, with grounded adapters.

So who knows what will ahppen.
post #322 of 352
Interesting turn of events.... Keep us posted VG.
post #323 of 352
I still haven't recieved anything from Dell- I was promised $100 coupons that never came...

I am supposed to ship both of these machines out... but the boxes and labels don't match up to the machines... so I called the shipping number... and it was an American. In Oregon.

I've told him everything, including a link to this thread.

He suggested I just get my money back... but I have been flagged on Dell's systems as suspicious...??

So, I opted to try another system exchange... and I'm waiting on a return email from my failed phone call attempt with the exchange department...


THIS JUST IN-
Phone call from the other guy, Ivan, that I was dealing with....

He says to NOT CONTACT Alan until Ivan calls me back...? And he got *very* defensive about another person taking his "case"...

We'll see what happens with this... in the meantime I got 2 laptops that make my dog's hair stand on end.... great.
post #324 of 352
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Originally Posted by ViriiGuy
He also said they are working with the legal department to see what they can do about supplying those who ask for grounded adapters, with grounded adapters.
Why would the legal department be involved? Are they afraid of being sued if they admit there is a problem or what?
post #325 of 352
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Originally Posted by Atma
Why would the legal department be involved? Are they afraid of being sued if they admit there is a problem or what?
Dell has been very careful to get folks to sign an release acknowledging that they are receiving a gesture of good will rather than an extension to their warranty. Otherwise, I presume that it sets a precident that could be very expensive. I received my replacement 9400 yesterday. It arrived with two two-prong adapters, which are basically identical to the original two that I bought. The only difference was the revision number went from A01 to A02.
post #326 of 352
well, my battle is over... got labels and boxes... getting a refund as soon as these p.o.s.' get to the depot...

good luck everyone.
post #327 of 352
good to hear it's all taken care (mostly)
post #328 of 352
Thread Starter 
Well, according to Dell as of yesterday.. if I want a grounded adapter, I have to BUY it.
So still no progress.
post #329 of 352
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Originally Posted by ViriiGuy
Well, according to Dell as of yesterday.. if I want a grounded adapter, I have to BUY it.
So still no progress.

Gees, this thread is still alive and still stickied? You guys don't get it do you? The is a non-problem. The voltage measured is too small to be a problem either on the laptop or the person. It's caused by normal induction of electronics. A 3-pronged adapter doesn't solve it either. It only pushes the problem to a new source. Dozens of folks here have said it's not a problem. Dell has said it's not a problem. When will you guys listen?

If you think your laptop has a problem caused by this, it's not this. Marginal components will demonstrate issues when used in the right environment. I'd be more concerned with replacing marginal components, like memory or modems, rather than the power source.

Besides, 3 prong adapters can be found on places like e-bay for as little as $10, so why bug Dell? Is $10 really worth all this?

I'm sorry you folks feel you have a problem. But, it's too easy to fix. And much better to fix properly by finding the real source of any issues you might think are caused by this.
post #330 of 352
You should probably stop posting on NBforums.com. No one likes you, your full of crap, and your flat out wrong.
post #331 of 352
Dell Australia gave me one FREE OF CHARGE, 2 DAYS AFTER I EMAILED THEM..they obviously knew it was an issue...28 posts in 3.5 years on these forums...obviously just a shit stirrer sticking your nose in to cause problems....
post #332 of 352
Hello everyone,

I want to apologize for the delay in getting the Direct2Dell post up with information on the 2 prong adapter discussion. I indicated that the post would be up a couple of weeks ago, but as more information began to circulate we needed to ensure a solid plan of action and reasonable resolution for the concerns brought up by our customers, mainly in this thread. The post is live and can be found here: http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archi...4/24/8522.aspx. I encourage you to read the post and respond to the survey so we can get a better idea of exactly how many of our customers would prefer the 3 prong adapter to their current 2 prong setup.

In addition to the post I would like to clear up a few rumors that have been floating around this thread putting more concern in areas that we have already covered. First, the tingle that is felt with the 2 prong adapter is not a defect. It is inherent of the type of power supply used on these notebook systems when certain environmental conditions exist. I would like to remind everyone here that Dell has always acted quickly and accurately when any sort of product shows a possibility of harm to our customers and users.

Next, I would like to reiterate the fact that the voltage is not harmful to the user or the notebook system. There was a link provided that talks about stray voltage being measured on electrical items in the streets of New York. It is important to remember that these are not related. Viriiguy added an update to his original post on March 12th stating “The concerns for personal safety have been addressed and is no longer a concern. The laptops do give off fairly high voltage, but 0 current. So there is no danger to personal safety. Dell has promised a response to the rest of the issues, we are just awaiting to hear form them.” Although I can see where a correlation can be made, I’m a bit confused as to why this link would be provided after this concern has already been agreeably put to rest. In any sense, the voltage will not harm you or anyone else using your system.

These adapters are not causing failures with other components on the systems. I’ve read reports on this thread ranging from dead video cards to dead USB devices. It’s very easy to attribute failure to one issue or another, but we have to be reasonable in our troubleshooting. As a technical analyst I’ve troubleshot pretty much every type of system that Dell has put out since the early 90’s and the one thing that remains constant is that despite how similar some symptoms can be, it’s a rarity to find commonality in the cause. There are more than a few reasons that a video card or a motherboard can go bad and any technician on this forum can attest to that. My concern is that every problem brought up by this thread is immediately attributed to the voltage. Some members of this thread have provided 2 valid points for this discussion 1. There is some form of failure on their system and 2. There is measurable voltage. What’s missing is actual evidence that shows that the voltage is the cause of any particular failure, only that there is a failure and voltage. The only issue that these adapters have is the tingle effect, and I hate to be repetitive, but I must say again, the tingle depends on environmental conditions. The fact remains that the components are outside of the transmission path that the voltage travels on. They were intentionally designed this way.

Last, there seems to have been a miscommunication in my messaging to Viriguy about the involvement of our legal department in this discussion. Our legal teams had nothing to do with the technical decisions being made on the 2 or 3 prong adapters, nor did we feel that our responses would instigate legal action from our customers. We are certain that the 2 prong adapters are safe, functional, and convenient for our customers. As with any global corporation, there is a process to responding to the public regarding any kind of issue. As this may be seen as “Are they afraid of being sued if they admit there is a problem or what?” it has more to do with, is the right information being published? Are the points valid and useful? Does the response answer the intended questions? And so on… There were many other departments other than our legal team that this response has gone through, but it was to make sure that all of the concerns are addressed, that our position on the topic is clear, and that we are able to effectively gauge the impact this issue has on our customer base.

I would like to thank every single person that contributed their knowledge and opinions to this thread and invite you all to continue with any unanswered questions or concerns at the Direct2Dell site.

Thank you,

Mike.
Dell customer advocate
post #333 of 352
Its just weird then I almost never had my screen problem (http://www.dupie.be/dell/screen.jpg) when I got my laptop connected to a grounded printer. But when my laptop wasn't grounded, it almost had every time the screen problem ...
post #334 of 352
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Originally Posted by dupondje
Its just weird then I almost never had my screen problem (http://www.dupie.be/dell/screen.jpg) when I got my laptop connected to a grounded printer. But when my laptop wasn't grounded, it almost had every time the screen problem ...
That is exactly the way my screen looked before dell replaced my video card.
post #335 of 352

ATTT: All DELL 9400/e1705/m1710/m90 owners!!!

hello fellas after a month fighting with the tecnical support of dell at last I arrive my AC adaptor with 3 prong and the issue is resolved, they sent me for mistake 2 adaptors of 2 prong.

I got rev A03 90w-C PA-10 Family
MODEL No- PA-1900-02D2

I hope i can help i little bit
post #336 of 352
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Originally Posted by fsx
hello fellas after a month fighting with the tecnical support of dell at last I arrive my AC adaptor with 3 prong and the issue is resolved, they sent me for mistake 2 adaptors of 2 prong.
If three is good then four is better?
post #337 of 352
Thread Starter 
Personally, No I will not BUY a grounded adapter. I do not feel I should have to spend MORE money to make my laptop work the way it is supposed to work.

I may have found a buyer for my system, so if the new owner chooses to buy an adapter, more power to them. I am going to go buy an Asus.
post #338 of 352
After reading this
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For existing customers, we’re currently investigating creating a program to make 3-prong power adapters available for purchase at a discounted price. We need your help, and that’s why we’re asking customers who are interested in acquiring a 3-prong power adapter to provide additional feedback via this survey on Dell.com. The survey will run from now until Monday, May 7.
I wrote this.
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Originally Posted by me
This is absurd. Having to purchase a component so that my laptop doesn't shock me when I use it in my lap is a joke. Whether or not there is any current coming off of the laptop is immaterial. I don't want to feel a "tingle" when I use something in my lap that is designed for use in my lap. Along the same lines I don't wife to feel a zap when she touches me or tries to kiss me while I work on my laptop. Plain and simple this is a flaw. This should have been taken care of before any of these laptops shipped. I have purchased 4 laptops in the last 4 years from Dell and in the past I have been pretty quick to recommend Dell computers to friends and family. I've mostly had good luck with the systems I've owned and greatly appreciate the warranty protection that Dell offers (even if customer service is the worst thing that I have ever encountered and am likely to encounter during my life time). But I'm afraid that I can no longer suggest a company that has such complete disregard for it's customers that it doesn't care if they are receiving electric shocks by using the product in it's intended way. No wonder Dell is losing market share. It looks as though the 10+ computers that were to be sold to my friends and family in the next year and half will all be going elsewhere. I sure am glad that I get discounts to most of the major computer manufacturers through my work.
Although it has yet to show up
post #339 of 352
Thread Starter 
Verbatim, word for word is exactly how I feel.
I have been trying to sell this laptop for a while strictly because of this issue. If the potential buyer ever shows up witht he cash, this will be the LAST Dell I own. Dell is supposed to care so much about their customers, yet they ship out faulty equipment and then try to make US the consumer pay for the proper parts to remove the flaw.

No thank you.
post #340 of 352
Yea I agree, this is just bull****.
And Mike says that there ain't any current in the stray voltage...actually there is.
I've measured with 5 different expensive multimeters, and they all say that there is a current of 10-35 mA on the screws or from any other metal part on the chassis.
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