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Wow....there's some serious issues with Vista + M1710/M1210.

post #1 of 54
1/31/07 at 11:18pm
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I installed Vista Business today on both my M1710 and my M1210, and had mixed results (specs in sig).

First, there's some weird "flicker" bug on my M1710 which means whenever I minimise or maximise a window, the screen flickers. I'm sure it's a driver bug, but I did use 97.46, which is the official latest Dell driver. Not good. Also, there's now a NASTY high-pitched squeal from my M1710. It's one of those annoying sounds that's really quiet, but really, REALLY high-pitched.

I then installed Vista on my M1210, and found, bizarrely, that Vista ran a little smoother on my M1210 than on my M1710. I wonder if it's the 1920x1200 to 1280x800 drop?

Anyway, I didn't experience any flicker issues on the M1210, but....annoyingly, there's a high-pitched squeal from my M1210 as well! It's like it's coming from the video-card area, and it drives me nuts.

Overall, I have very mixed feelings about Vista. It feels like a huge rip-off of the Mac OS, and a lot of it feels really bloaty. It's scary when an OS feels a little slow BEFORE you've installed any additional applications. Time will tell, but I'm going to stick with XP for now. I don't think I could bear that awful squealing my laptops make anyway.

Anyway, back to XP, that's for sure.
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post #2 of 54
1/31/07 at 11:21pm
try the 100.x Vista drivers from laptopvideo2go.com. http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/...p?showforum=70
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post #3 of 54
1/31/07 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by WilliamG
I installed Vista Business today on both my M1710 and my M1210, and had mixed results (specs in sig).

First, there's some weird "flicker" bug on my M1710 which means whenever I minimise or maximise a window, the screen flickers. I'm sure it's a driver bug, but I did use 97.46, which is the official latest Dell driver. Not good. Also, there's now a NASTY high-pitched squeal from my M1710. It's one of those annoying sounds that's really quiet, but really, REALLY high-pitched.

I then installed Vista on my M1210, and found, bizarrely, that Vista ran a little smoother on my M1210 than on my M1710. I wonder if it's the 1920x1200 to 1280x800 drop?

Anyway, I didn't experience any flicker issues on the M1210, but....annoyingly, there's a high-pitched squeal from my M1210 as well! It's like it's coming from the video-card area, and it drives me nuts.

Overall, I have very mixed feelings about Vista. It feels like a huge rip-off of the Mac OS, and a lot of it feels really bloaty. It's scary when an OS feels a little slow BEFORE you've installed any additional applications. Time will tell, but I'm going to stick with XP for now. I don't think I could bear that awful squealing my laptops make anyway.

Anyway, back to XP, that's for sure.

Vista flys on my M1710 without any issues. Kicks the crap out of XP in responsiveness.

Have done your Bios and installed the chipset drivers.
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post #4 of 54
2/1/07 at 12:04pm
The latest 100.54 drivers seem to be the pinnacle of stability so far for me under Vista... Also, unless you disable the SuperFetch and Indexing services, Vista will feel inherently slower for a little while at the beginning. SuperFetch is in the process of learning your computing habits, and creating a list of things that should stay in RAM while you work. Indexing is creating a list of all the files on your hard drive also, so that searches are extremely fast down the line. So far, even with over 60 processes running Vista has yet to skip a beat for me. It would possibly serve you well to use a fast SD card in the card reader slot for ReadyBoost because that little gem makes a world of difference also.
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post #5 of 54
2/1/07 at 2:37pm
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Thanks for the replies. Any idea on the high-pitched sound from BOTH systems?
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post #6 of 54
2/1/07 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by Krayziepop
It would possibly serve you well to use a fast SD card in the card reader slot for ReadyBoost because that little gem makes a world of difference also.

Useful info on ReadyBoost
http://blogs.msdn.com/tomarcher/arch...02/615199.aspx
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post #7 of 54
2/1/07 at 4:18pm
I installed Vista on my Machine as well, and I hate it. Mainly because I'm noticing a drop off in my Gaming, as I play Company Of Heros at the Maximum Resolution, and I've parted out my M1710 to a 24 inch LCD as well. If you're gaming with dx9 games at ultra high resolutions with high settings I'd think twice about moving to Vista. The drop-offs are not severe but still in fact visible, which all and all is very dissapointing.
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post #8 of 54
2/1/07 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by Krayziepop
The latest 100.54 drivers seem to be the pinnacle of stability so far for me under Vista... Also, unless you disable the SuperFetch and Indexing services, Vista will feel inherently slower for a little while at the beginning. SuperFetch is in the process of learning your computing habits, and creating a list of things that should stay in RAM while you work. Indexing is creating a list of all the files on your hard drive also, so that searches are extremely fast down the line. So far, even with over 60 processes running Vista has yet to skip a beat for me. It would possibly serve you well to use a fast SD card in the card reader slot for ReadyBoost because that little gem makes a world of difference also.

Listen to him, hes right. Give it a day or so and it should catch up and then will be much quicker then XP. Mine was way quicker then XP and after I got my 2GB SanDisk ULtra SD card, it really took off. I would never go back to XP. I have the flicker problem also and I am going to try the nerwst drivers from the link in the earlier post and see what happens. As far as the noise goes, I have no clue what so ever, maybe the drivers will fix it but i boubt it. Call dell, it could be a flaw with your card and Vista is just using that part of the card more and making the noise you hear. Have them replace it if you have the Dell on call. It cant hurt, if you have to send it in though try those driver first.

Dont give up on Vista yet. I wanted to at first but like I said now I could never go back.

Chad
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post #9 of 54
2/1/07 at 7:31pm
Wow, how do you install those drivers. It seems theres an even nerwer version out but when I download them and click setup it tells me that no compatable drivers were found.
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post #10 of 54
2/1/07 at 7:41pm
go to www.laptopvideo2go.com and they have the custom modded inf file needed to install them.
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post #11 of 54
2/1/07 at 8:18pm
I installed Vista Ultimate x64 with the nvidia 97.46 signed x64 driver on my puter (E1705,nv 7800 go, 1gb 533 ram, 2 gb 150x ADATA SD flash ready boost, T7200 cpu) and an Itunes protected Mpeg-4 video stutters unbearably more than windows XP media center 2005 performed. I do have a 'Base System Device driver error' which haven't figure out yet. I wonder if the stutter is from the DRM AACS?
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post #12 of 54
2/1/07 at 8:22pm
the new 100.59 from laptopvideo2go are quite stable and performance in WOW is great. I am able to play fully maxxed out and hold steady at 60 fps at 1920X1200. (Using Fraps)
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post #13 of 54
2/1/07 at 9:28pm
I'm just guessing here (as I don't currently have Vista) but the flickering sounds like PowerMizer doing it's routine; possibly being made more obvious due to Aero. If the current Vista drivers have the nVidia Control Panel, try disabling it there and see if that helps.

Is the high-pitched noise coming from the general direction where the CPU is located (upper-left corner on 1710)? If so, then it's related to the different power saving sleep states that the CPU uses. There are a couple of the states that apparently alter the frequency from the CPU power regulatory circuitry into a range that is audible at times. A way to test to make sure this is the culprit would be to go a few web pages that have lots of ads and then scroll up and down. If the noise changes in pitch and has a variable pattern, then it's the power reg circuitry. The reason that this test influences the noise is that the CPU is going in and out of sleep states quickly when it's processing the ads.

As far as I've seen, this slight noise is normal (unless it's unordinarily loud or not coming from the CPU area). When I first got my 9400, I was wondering about this too. I tested several other laptops from several different manufactures with different CPU's, from different generations (even an old Celeron 366 ) and they all exhibited the same problem, albeit with slight differences between them.

Maybe some other users can chime in on this as well. The only thing I found that got rid of it was to use a workaround possible by using RMClock (there's a thread here with the info on how to do it, I'll see if I can find it) but in the end I decided it wasn't really worth the small amount of trouble to me of having another application running. Eventually I just got used to it and ignore it now. ^^
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post #14 of 54
2/1/07 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by UltraCow
I'm just guessing here (as I don't currently have Vista) but the flickering sounds like PowerMizer doing it's routine; possibly being made more obvious due to Aero. If the current Vista drivers have the nVidia Control Panel, try disabling it there and see if that helps.

Is the high-pitched noise coming from the general direction where the CPU is located (upper-left corner on 1710)? If so, then it's related to the different power saving sleep states that the CPU uses. There are a couple of the states that apparently alter the frequency from the CPU power regulatory circuitry into a range that is audible at times. A way to test to make sure this is the culprit would be to go a few web pages that have lots of ads and then scroll up and down. If the noise changes in pitch and has a variable pattern, then it's the power reg circuitry. The reason that this test influences the noise is that the CPU is going in and out of sleep states quickly when it's processing the ads.

As far as I've seen, this slight noise is normal (unless it's unordinarily loud or not coming from the CPU area). When I first got my 9400, I was wondering about this too. I tested several other laptops from several different manufactures with different CPU's, from different generations (even an old Celeron 366 ) and they all exhibited the same problem, albeit with slight differences between them.

Maybe some other users can chime in on this as well. The only thing I found that got rid of it was to use a workaround possible by using RMClock (there's a thread here with the info on how to do it, I'll see if I can find it) but in the end I decided it wasn't really worth the small amount of trouble to me of having another application running. Eventually I just got used to it and ignore it now. ^^


I'm sure RMClock will fix it, as my old 8600 had the same problem. It's just frustrating that I never had this problem with XP on either system, and now Vista causes it. Thank you for the reply, though, and to all of you for the replies. I haven't given up on Vista, but I will be waiting a bit, I think.... (resisting temptation....)
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post #15 of 54
2/1/07 at 10:55pm
In Control Panel->Power Options, under Advanced settings for the current profile, there is an option PCI Express->Link State Power Management. If I change mine to Maximum Power Savings, I get graphics distortions when opening new windows (problems in some games too). This sounds like the "flickering" described here. This is happening with every single driver I've tried, both 95-series and 100-series. When set to moderate power savings, the problems disappear.
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post #16 of 54
2/2/07 at 1:59am
I also immediately noticed the noise when Vista first started up. When it happened under Windows XP, it would disappear when I left a USB device plugged in. This doesn't help anymore. I've changed the PCI Express Link State power management with no change. It's really quite annoying after just a short time. I've tried to get used to it in the past, but I can't. I haven't experienced any flickering using the 6800U (I think driver 97.46).

It's certainly a power regulator issue. Maybe because the 3D card is using more power than it was under Windows XP.
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post #17 of 54
2/2/07 at 4:22pm
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Thanks Avatark82, I will try this and all suggestions on my M1210 hopefully soon.
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post #18 of 54
2/2/07 at 9:10pm
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OK. I reinstalled Vista on my M1210. I fixed the high-pitched sound with the HLT command of RMClock.

However, I'm having a few issues. My version of Symantec Antivirus Vista edition won't live update. Keeps giving me an error along the lines of my Internet not working (which it is).

Also, when I try and run the performance rating, I don't get any score at the end of it, despite it taking a few minutes to calculate. It's just grey where the scores should be. Any ideas why it would do this?

Going back to XP in the meantime. Too tired of the Vista bugs.

Thanks in advance...
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post #19 of 54
2/7/07 at 3:37am
I installed RMClock last night, but found it annoying that I couldn't just use Task Manager to see CPU load. I removed RMClock, and oddly enough, the whining noise stopped tonight. I'll have to see if it comes back later. It's such a relief to not have to listen to it, though. Whew!
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post #20 of 54
2/7/07 at 5:09pm
Yeah that whining sound is so annoying. The Dell bios update for the m1710 didnt fix it either.

Its a vista issue?
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