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Soda Spilt on Acer 3004WCLi? Warranty?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Ave,

I'm not sure what to do! My cat spilled soda on my ACER 3004WCLi. Although everything is working fine, about 6 - 8 keys on the right edge (Cursor keys, Pg Up, Pg Down, etc.) are very sticky. They are hard to press, sometimes stick down and don't come up. They are still working.

The notebook is still covered under Acer's 1 Year Warranty. It's about 6 months old.

My Question is, if I called up Acer for Repair/Replacement - Would they cover something like this under warranty? If not... what are my alternates?

Thanks!
post #2 of 22
That would be impressive for them to cover that. In fact, it would be bizarre.

If I were you, I wouldn't mention it because when something else breaks they will blame it on the soda.

I would removed the keyboard entirely from the unit and get some electronics cleaner from Radio Shack.

For the really gummy keys, I would try removing them (carefully), and cleaning and re-assembling.

Depending on the keyboard, the keys snap off. You have to pay careful attention to how they come off so you can snap them back on.

Worst case scenario, you just buy a new keyboard.
post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 
When you said replace the keyboard... did you mean replacing the one which sits on the notebook? I didn't know it could be replaced! For that matter ... I didn't even know the keys could be snapped out & cleaned and snapped back in!

If I were to send it in for repair/replacement within warranty - I don't necessarily need to tell them what happened (Unless someone can confirm that liquid spill is covered) - but I'm assuming they would come to know what happened and deny warranty based on it.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by PorschePRH
That would be impressive for them to cover that. In fact, it would be bizarre.

If I were you, I wouldn't mention it because when something else breaks they will blame it on the soda.

I would removed the keyboard entirely from the unit and get some electronics cleaner from Radio Shack.

For the really gummy keys, I would try removing them (carefully), and cleaning and re-assembling.

Depending on the keyboard, the keys snap off. You have to pay careful attention to how they come off so you can snap them back on.

Worst case scenario, you just buy a new keyboard.
post #4 of 22
They will know. Soda is very obvious. The sugar will stay there forever and never work it's way out, so you will have to do something.

Yes, keyboards come out of laptops very easily. Usually just a few screws and a simple ribbon-style connector. Many laptops require keyboard removal to do basic things like add memory.

You should be mechanically inclined, or know someone that is, before you start pulling off keys. If you're that kid that broke everything while other people fixed everything you broke, you don't want to be doing it yourself...
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
Actually, I'm the kid who fixed everything that everyone else broke, so I'm not really mechanically challenged, so to speak. I think I'll get some details on this and give it a shot!

Gotta appreciate & thank you for all the advice. I'll let you know how it goes.

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Originally Posted by PorschePRH
They will know. Soda is very obvious. The sugar will stay there forever and never work it's way out, so you will have to do something.

Yes, keyboards come out of laptops very easily. Usually just a few screws and a simple ribbon-style connector. Many laptops require keyboard removal to do basic things like add memory.

You should be mechanically inclined, or know someone that is, before you start pulling off keys. If you're that kid that broke everything while other people fixed everything you broke, you don't want to be doing it yourself...
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
Totally Screwed!

I took off the keyboard - it was real easy. Just a few screws at the back, and two at the top.
Soaked Keyboard in water for a few minutes - took it out - dried off using Hair Dryer. Keyboard seemed absolutely dry. The keys were soft & looked working again! They pressed real easy again - like they did before the Soda Spill! Keyboard felt fixed!

I put the keyboard back in - hooked up the notebook.

Notebook turned on fine - the Keyboard Was Completely Dead! Not a single key working.
I check out the Cable that snaps from Keyboard to Notebook twice! Everything seems to be in place! Yet the keyboard is completely dead!

The rest of the notebook is working absolutely fine - no problems. Just the keyboard is completely dead!
post #7 of 22
Umm, please tell me you did not just completely sumberge a piece of electrical equipment (a keyboard) and honestly expected it to work afterwards...
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
But that is what everyone said to do!! It's all over this forum as well... do a search on Soda Spill! I was told to remove the keyboard and submerge the Keyboard alone in Water to get rid of the Sugar Deposits from the Soda Spill.

As a matter of fact...the Soda had spilled all over my keyboard, and gone inside the keyboard - yet the keyboard continued to work flawless - except the Keys were sticky & tight.

Don't tell me I wasn't supposed to submerge the keyboard in water!
post #9 of 22
Well maybe a keyboard isnt that bad with water, but I still personally would not have completely sumberged it in water. I wouldve maybe cleaned it off with a damp paper towel at most. If not, keyboards are cheap and easy to replace, so I wouldve done that after the cleaning.

I guess your right in the same spot (having to order a new keyboard) cept you had to go thru all the trouble of removing it, watering it, drying it and installing it back.

And think about it if you say it's ok to sumberge a keyboard: your keyboard worked after the soda spilled. Sticky keys, but it worked. You then placed it in water, and now its completely stopped working.

So obviously the sumberging the keyboard in water is what messed it up, because it worked fine before, and then stopped working after the water.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
I hear you - problem is - I was never the expert in this area, which is why i relied on people here & posts in this forum - and this is where I learnt about removing keyboard & soaking it in water to get rid of soda spills.

I was as amazed at the process as you may think - yet I believed what I read here, and curbed my personal instincts.

I'm pretty sure now that submerging it in water killed the keyboard.
I'm still under warranty - I think i'll send it in to Acer to get it fixed. There is no trace of Soda Spill now because all Sticky Keys & stuff is back to normal. I'll tell them the Keyboard died.

Sigh!
post #11 of 22
Yeah even though you get a lot of good advice on here, sometimes pple just don know what their talking about. Even a non computer expert I think would know that electronics and water dont mix well.

Anyway, I wouldnt send the whole computer to Acer for simply a keyboard, especially since you seem very adapt at removing and installing it. I would just call up Acer and tell em your keyboards not working, and their most likeky just send you a new one. They wont want to go thru all the hassle of receiving and shipping out a laptop for a simple job as keyboard replacing.

I've done this before twice, once with a hdd and once with a keyboard. I called em up, told em the story, and then 3 days later I had the part in the mail. Installed em and then shipped back the non-working unit.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
I'll call them up & see what happens.

Thanks.
post #13 of 22
Well, he probably didnt completely dry the keyboard or screwed something else up, as ive soaked computer memory in an alcohol bath to remove stock heatsinks, and after completely washing it and drying, it has worked just fine.

Electronics and water do mix, only if the electronics is completely off and dry when you turn it back on.
post #14 of 22
Thread Starter 
Alright, just wanted to give you guys an update.
I started having some other issues with the notebook - like it wasn't turning on instantly - and sometimes the Cursor & Selection was acting up - and it felt like a key is continously pressed. Experiencing all of this, I decided to call Acer, they hooked me up for Service/Repair under my Warranty. Two days ago I shipped out my notebook to them. (It only cost $10 actually, via UPS).

Now i'm waiting to hear back from them. I've been assigned a case # and i'll be getting in touch with them soon to find out what's going on.

Thanks.
post #15 of 22
Quote:
alcohol bath
Yes...alcohol bath is different than water...
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Electronics and water do mix, only if the electronics is completely off and dry when you turn it back on.
So your telling me that if you power off ur laptop, throw it into a pool, leave it there for 2 hours, take it out, let it dry completely, then you can just turn it on like nothing ever happened?
post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by adinu
So your telling me that if you power off ur laptop, throw it into a pool, leave it there for 2 hours, take it out, let it dry completely, then you can just turn it on like nothing ever happened?

Ave,

I'm no expert, having busted my notebook - but I personally don't think that's what he's trying to say. I think what he's trying to say is that Some "Components", even though electrical in nature, may be able to survive water treatment effectively if properly subjected.

It's not as far fetched. Coming back to notebook keyboards, I guess if you really got down to Googling it, there's way too much testimony to it's water treatment working for it. I honestly believe now that I didn't let it dry completely - as a matter of fact - I don't think I allowed it to dry at all. I just blew some Hair Blower on it and put it back in after like 7 minutes of taking it out of the water.
post #17 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by adinu
Yes...alcohol bath is different than water... So your telling me that if you power off ur laptop, throw it into a pool, leave it there for 2 hours, take it out, let it dry completely, then you can just turn it on like nothing ever happened?
I washed the memory sticks off with water after the alcohol bath, and dont throw it in a pool (chlorine), tap water is fine, and you'll need a bit longer than 2 hours for everything to dry. Try it with a cheap cell phone without the battery, and then turn it on when you are sure everything is dry. Keep in mind, the reason water kills electronics is because it shorts everything out, but if there is no power going through the electronic device, there will be no short, hence death will be evaded.
post #18 of 22
I've seen some people throw desktop keyboards into a dishwasher to clean out all the gunk, and have it functional after, again, the key is making sure EVERYTHING is dry. I wouldn't recommend the dishwasher, but it's another case where electronics have survived water treatment.

With correct treatment and extreme care, just about anything is possible.
post #19 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by mickey79
But that is what everyone said to do!! It's all over this forum as well... do a search on Soda Spill! I was told to remove the keyboard and submerge the Keyboard alone in Water to get rid of the Sugar Deposits from the Soda Spill.

As a matter of fact...the Soda had spilled all over my keyboard, and gone inside the keyboard - yet the keyboard continued to work flawless - except the Keys were sticky & tight.

Don't tell me I wasn't supposed to submerge the keyboard in water!

Uh, you listened to everyone but the guy that knows what he's talking about.

Too lazy to drive to Radio Shack and buy a can of electronics cleaner? Get what you deserve, a hassle 100 times worse that driving to Radio Shack. You could have been up and running in a couple of hours, but now you will wait days/weeks without your laptop, but with uncertain outcome.

Oh well. Live and learn.
post #20 of 22
Thread Starter 
Ave,

Just wanted to update you guys.

So I sent in my Notebook for repair to Acer. Called them up today to check the status and they told me that they identified Liquid Spill (Due to stains on the Motherboard) and since Liquid Spill is not covered under warranty, they will be charging $499 to repair the notebook. They explained they'll be replacing the motherboard ($300) and keyboard ($10) and the rest is Labor.

I told them the notebook costs $500 retail - why would I pay you $499 to fix it! They said that's what Customers usually do - they go out and buy a new one instead of paying $499 to fix it.

I told them to send the notebook back to me un-repaired. I purchased a replacement Keyboard from them, for which they charged me $20 ($10 plus Taxes & UPS Ground Shipping), which they are including with the return shipment of the Notebook.

So basically by the end of this week I should get my notebook back from them, un-repaired, and the replacement keyboard. Before I sent in the notebook, all that was wrong was the keyboard - so i'm hoping to replace the keyboard with the new keyboard and hopefully it should start working again. I don't think I have any more options left and that's about it with this notebook. I'll update here once i've replaced keyboard.

More then likely, i'll end up selling this notebook on eBay if the new keyboard works & the notebook starts working again. I've been looking at a Toshiba Sattelite P105-6197 notebook at newegg for $1349. I like that notebook and i'm probably going to buy it.

Well that's the update.
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