Asus A8JS only choice for 14" gaming? - Page 2

Well, I'm just saying there was probably a better word to describe that site as the rest of it's information is correct, y'know bad analogy and all that. ;p

I thought that btotech $1450 price was for a mail in rebate? Well, I'm glad the prices are coming down. I would much rather have the 7700go over the MR1700 myself, but not at the premiums the retailers are asking for.

Speaking of the price difference. I think that's an artificial issue. I believe Asus may have flooded the US market with the A8JP hence why there is such a big difference between the 2 laptops even though they have identical configurations.

Can't you have any valid arguments, so you have to twist and twine stupid things just sake of arguing. And you clearly can't calculate basic opertations so I have to make this easy for you: Anandtech: BF2 35.8 45.5 BF2 4xAA 14.4 15 COH Medium 70.5 65 COH High 14.4 15 FarCry 55.6 55 FarCry 4xAA 25.1 21.5 Fear Medium 30.6 29.3 41.9 Fear High 31.7 37.5 37 HL2 I'll be generous here and give this one a skip Oblivion Medium 24 31.8 32.3 42.6 Oblivion High 33.3 28.3 31.2 Quake 70 68.8 78.7 Quake 4xaa 23.4 18.7 22.3 Averag. 0xAA 41.9% 4xAA 20.1% Other: Doom3 21.4% Empire3 17.5% NFS 9 16% Serious Sam 2 25.6% Average 20.1% Specifications are specifications and unless you can't tell me how you would unlock or reveal these "features" out of these cards (which I doubt some reason ), they remain facts. Well, Fill rate - Bandwidth 7600 3600 - 12.8 7700 5400 - 16 7900GS 7500 - 32 , I would say it is somewhere between 7600/7900GS and slighty below middleway. So I would give this a highmid-class status which separates 7700 from the X1600/X1700/7600 mass. My opinion buy the stuff you can afford, and don't make opinions based on some stupid "basic consumer" class systems.

Asus flooded the US market with the a8jp? What resellers are selling it other than newegg? I was under the impression that the a8jp was only for Asia and Europe yet somehow newegg got a hold of it. I'm guessing asus got a good deal on the x1700 since they're the only ones selling the x1700 in the US market.

I also realized that newegg has the a8jp with 512x2 ram configuration, while the a8js has 1x1 ram config. So if you wanted to upgrade to 2 gigs the price difference between the two laptops becomes smaller.


here's an interesting thread that agrees with you, although it only appears to rank based on hardware specs and not gaming specs

My mistake, the A8JP is definitely a non-US product as you've stated. As the A8JP (and A8JS) is an ensemble product, it's probably the whole laptop rather than just the X1700 GPU.

I'm of the impression that one of Newegg's partners or subsidiaries overseas may have had an overstock or something of the laptop which Newegg chose to "dispose" of here.

Ah, I see we're down to ad hominem attacks now. In reply to your accusation, I've got 3 words for you: "Pot, Kettle, Black."


Please, keep your basic math, it would save me the trouble of double-checking it. I'd give you some math of my own, but I'd rather save that for more produtive discussion. I'd repeat the other links posted above again, but what's the point? You're not looking at it. You're like talking to a broken record.


No links to back up your numbers? I'm hurt...


In the spirit of making the data fit my argument (or "twist and twine" as you call it): "Ooh! Look! Isn't that what I've been saying all along?! 10-20% improvement! I'm so glad you agree with me Jiopi! Let's go out to the pub and have a drink!"

Honestly, who actually turns off AA to play a game these days anyway? If your GPU can't handle it, it's a good way to get a few extra FPS. Otherwise, it's just a ploy to inflate benchmark figures.


Uh, ok, I can't tell you...I guess they aren't facts anymore eh?

I'm thinking English isn't your native language, in which case, compliments to your English, but then again, I'm seeing way too many high school graduates in America these days who don't understand whether to apply a "do" or a "don't" in a sentence...

You're probably too young to remember or are too inexperienced with the industry or you wouldn't have asked as this is fairly common knowledge for enthusiasts.

To give you a brief history:

For a while, ATI made several tiers of chips using the same silicon, just disabling pipelines and or memory to have it conform to the specs of lower tiered chips as it is cheaper to have everything come off one fabrication line and adapted to become specific chips rather than to have multiple fabrication lines putting out a specific chip. I believe the term "binning" is appropriate for what they did. Sometimes, the "disabling" process was shoddy and could be overcome, just by reprogramming the firmware.

Some Radeon 9500s could be modded to "open-up" additional pipelines with as little as a firmware upgrade.

More recently, many Radeon X800GTOs (and even some X800GTO2s) could be modded (by firmware or software) to become X800XLs. I have one myself, premodded from the factory.

I could post the links. But considering how old the news is, it would be too much effort for me to look them up if you're just going to ignore it.

If you want references, just go ask someone on Anandtech's or HardOCP's video forums who's been there for 3 or more years and they'll verify that.


So, what does fillrate and bandwidth have to do with what class to put the
7700go in? Why did you even bother mentioning that particular set of specifications? If there is some sort of solid correlation between the figures you put up there and the benchmarks and architecture we discussed and argued about over the past few days, you should state and explain that, because I must be stupid as you imply.

If this is your justification to put it in it's own separate classification, that's a pretty pathetic case you are making. Even the benchmark averages you spouted of approximately 20% doesn't justify that. By even your math, an average of 20% is not "slighty below middleway" between the 7600go and the 7900gs go...unless your idea of "slighty below middleway" has more than 50% variable.


What is that supposed to mean? It sounds intriguingly negative, but it's vague and makes inferences that aren't there. Could you clarify that statement a bit?

Are you saying the A8JP or the X1700 is some "stupid basic consumer class system and I shouldn't judge it or it's not fit to be judged against the much cooler 7700go"?

Or maybe that I shouldn't listen to people who would buy "some stupid basic consumer class systems"?

Maybe you are calling me a "stupid basic consumer"?

Perhaps you should relax and take your time before you reply to this. You're not making logical sense after that "twist and twine" statement. It sounds like you're about to have an apoplectic fit.

Are your association skills really this bad that you can't connect these figures for above links? No, you said Which is pure nonsense, 5% from anandtechs? average from where? anandtechs? Please fill me in, how does 5 10-20% correlate to 20% and 40%? Me, and maybe everyone else than you? Maybe it depends on situation, some games does not even support AA, like IMO best roleplaying game ever G3. No it's not, and I was waiting this comment as everytime one gets left without relevant arguments, he usually refers to grammar comments, as pathetic it is. And for the record, I'm 26 years old and Finish is my native language and I stydy computer science in Helsinki University of Technology, what's your situation? I have been around from C64 times and pretty much know everything about computers from eighties to now. So your information was again irrelevant for the thread and for me as I wanted to know how do you unlock or reveal these kind of "features" from 7700 and X1700. I have already put benchmark links and gpureview links for basic information, sooo I don't understand what is so difficult here? But here is quotes from gpureview: Texture fillrate: "Though pixel shader processing is becoming more important, this number still holds some weight. Best example of this is the X1600 XT. This card has a 3 to 1 ratio of pixel shader processors/texture mapping units. And the X1600 XT gets creamed by the 7600 GT because of it. In the mid range, texture mapping can still very much be a bottleneck." Memory bandwidth: "The higher the memory bandwidth, the better the card will be able to handle large textures and anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering. Not to say that you don't need a lot of memory bandwidth if you don't want to use these features, you still do. Memory bandwidth is important in nearly every part of graphics processing." I think your "classifying system thing" is already pathetic and basicly mumbojumbo to make two cards to seem same at performance wise. But that was my opinion, I think you and everyone else got it. Maybe you got it right eventually. Just joking here. Likewise, please make a list what kind of relevant information you have brought to this thread and I will make mine, so we can compare who is more offtopic and should stop first.

Wow you are completely miss informed. Please do you your Homework. The only thing that is true on that list is nvidia has much better linux support.

All I can say to this is, re-read the thread with thought.

I dont see why wanting portability and gaming power is bad. You dont have to use it to game while its not plugged in. I have a 19" LCD monitor in my dorm. So with this Asus, I can enjoy its portability when im in class, the library, a friend's house, etc and I can hook it up to my monitor via a DVI cord and enjoy its power when im gaming or watching movies.

It's not a bad thing at all, and I don't think we actually argued against wanting portability and gaming power. It just got away from the subject of the original post and devolved into an ATI vs Nvidia vs Bang-for-the-Buck flamefest. Just ignore us and read the more informative posts on this thread. We'll eventually run out of insults to hurl at each other or the moderators will step in and do something. Whatever the case, the show's getting stale so go post and contribute something pithy to the community!

I wonder where my Quadro Go 1400 (GeForce 6800) stands compare to those...

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but the A8Jp comes with 2x512MB RAM, while the A8Js comes with 1x1GB. So if you're planning on upgrading to the max memory (2GB), you'll have to shell out for 2x1GB with the p model, but you'll only need 1x1GB for the s model. So if you're not gonna upgrade the RAM, buy the p with x1700, but if you are upgrading you might as well buy the s with go7700 (go7700 alone isn't worth 200 extra imo). Of course you could just buy the p and upgrade the memory to 1.5GB by switching one of the 512's. I guess it all comes down to whether or not you're willing to pay anything extra for the 7700, because even with upgrading the p to 2GB, it'd still be cheaper than the s with 1GB.

btw, does anyone know if the A8Jp ***29M sports the same type of screen as the A8Js ***24P? I've been told the screen for the A8Js ***34P is crap, and I just want to make sure the A8Jp has the CMO screen as well, and not the AUO that the s 34P has.

yeah i mentioned the 2x512 vs 1v1 ram

also the a8js can be had for $1380 @ zipzoomfly, i think it's free shipping too

not sure about the screens, but all of the posts that i read that commented on the a8js/p screens, said they had crap viewing angles

The A8Js sold at ZZF is the obsolete ***34P as opposed to the ***24P that newegg is selling. The ZZF one having a bad AUO type screen and isn't even being sold anymore, it is just listed as in stock on ZZF but in fact it's not and will never be: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=105292
So watch out if you're buying an A8Js and get the 24P model.

Helpful info ZimZim. I figured there was a catch to the ZZF deal. Im only going to deal with Newegg and Tiger direct in the future.

thanks for the link zimzim

do you have any refering to a better quality screen?

http://www.notebookforums.com/showth...highlight=a8js
Also looks like the A8Jp has the good CMO screen. The ***24/34 thing is a non issue, as it seems like you can't get the 34 anyway, even though ZZF say they have it

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