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Vista is SLOW on my 5680 HELP!?

post #1 of 50
2/7/07 at 3:07am
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Yes, it's a couple of years old, but its a 3gig 1gb ram P4. I've just installed Vista and it seems to have loaded drivers for everything fine, but it is HIDEOUSLY SLOW. Just changing the date/time is a challenge and there is NOTHING installed other than the OS. WHAT GIVES?
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post #2 of 50
2/7/07 at 8:15pm
what is the cpu speed?
single cored processors tend to run vista slow. get a core 2 duo if your motherboard supports it.
also, what iz your hard drive`s cappacity and speed. its not completly neccesary, but a 7200rpm drive can help things run smoother and more efficiantly.
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post #3 of 50
2/7/07 at 8:49pm
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It's not simply a lack of performance. It's dragging - like it's paging, but it's not. CPU and memory usage seem fine. Sager just wrote me to tell me that this will not run Vista due to lack of drivers...could the be any more vague? If this 2 year old laptop is now obsolete, Sager can expect to lose my business and my clients business from now on. They need to help address this, but I have a feeling that because it might cost them a few bucks to write a driver, they will not.
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post #4 of 50
2/7/07 at 9:48pm
oh...well sager is very nice then. no...you can email sager and tell them everything about whats happening. maybe they can tell you when/if new vista supportative drivers are coming out.
other than that, i cant really help...srry. good luck with sager though.
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post #5 of 50
2/8/07 at 1:41am
It is recommended you have 2g of ram
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post #6 of 50
2/8/07 at 1:46am
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Originally Posted by dsuh
It is recommended you have 2g of ram
Actually, MS says 500mb as a minimum and 1gb recommended.

Like I said, it's a driver issue of some kind. It's not just laggy, or a little slow, it is SLOWWWWW - like I can type an entire sentence before it appears on the screen.

I spent a lot of money on this laptop - EXTRA money just to make sure I got a machine that wouldnt become obsolete. Sager is telling me that it will not load Vista and that there arent any drivers... they didnt indicate that they would have any fix for it, ever. If this is the case, I wll become the biggest anti-sager person you have ever talked to.
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post #7 of 50
2/8/07 at 2:03am
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Originally Posted by jfoster
Actually, MS says 500mb as a minimum and 1gb recommended.

Like I said, it's a driver issue of some kind. It's not just laggy, or a little slow, it is SLOWWWWW - like I can type an entire sentence before it appears on the screen.

I spent a lot of money on this laptop - EXTRA money just to make sure I got a machine that wouldnt become obsolete. Sager is telling me that it will not load Vista and that there arent any drivers... they didnt indicate that they would have any fix for it, ever. If this is the case, I wll become the biggest anti-sager person you have ever talked to.


thats ridiculous. It is their responsibily to have all the drivers for Vista. If they don't provide it then there will be a lawsuit with people owning Sager notebooks
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post #8 of 50
2/8/07 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by jfoster
its a 3gig 1gb ram P4

OK, for Sager and anyone else who says the 5680 will not run on Vista, well, bunk.

I beta tested Vista for over a year on a 5680 and it runss "OK"--not great, but OK. With the eye candy.

Now, did it run great? No. But it ran, "ok"--well enough so that you should be content, if not doing cart wheels. It is afterall a 3 year old laptop. Most 3-year-old laptops will not run it at all.

You note that its a 3ghtz p4 (mine was a 2.4ghtz p4), and 1 gb of ram. I ran it for a while on 512mb of ram, and it was pretty clunky, but on 1gb of ram it was much better.

Next bottle neck. Harddrive. What is yours? Vista hits the harddrive a lot more than xp. Mine was a 5600 rpm--I would highly recommend that you have a 7200rpm with Vista, but a 5600 will work. A 4200 rpm would be a bad idea.

This seems especially true when you first loads. First, the Vista indexing service is going spaz indexing all the files on your drive. Leaving my laptop on over a couple of days allowed the indexing to take place and things smoothed out some...Disabling the indexing service made a pretty big difference (now you're going to ask how to do this---I don't have Vista loaded at the moment, but i can tell you that it is NOT called INDEXING in the services list. Load task manager and check under services for whatever is consuming a lot of CPU time.)

Vista is also always defraggin in the background, which for the first week after a a load it does devote a lot of time to this -- even though it is supposed to do it at idle. After a week, it got everything in the order it liked and was happy enough.

Another big boost--did you install the latest ati graphic drivers for VISTA? That alone will make a huge difference.

Also, in device manager, are you seeing any yellow exclamation marks? Earlier versions of vista were lacking in drive support, but as each build evolved drivers were added. As I recall, the network drivers were among the last to come on board, but everything else worked out of the box by the end except for the video drivers, which were slow. ATI began releasing beta drivers for the videocard (9600 pro) in August or so, and that made a difference. They have some available on their website right now that should make a big difference.
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post #9 of 50
2/8/07 at 9:38am
Ahh, remember now...Indexing is called "Windows Search"--you can disable it in services
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post #10 of 50
2/8/07 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by gerryf
Ahh, remember now...Indexing is called "Windows Search"--you can disable it in services

Thanks for the gleam of hope

There's something else at work here. I know the difference between running great and running a little slow due to lack of resources and such. My machine takes seconds to just highlite an icon - and aero isn't even enabled! If I set the video drivers to Standard VGA, it flies, everything works fine, but with decreased video playback performance and things like that. As soon as I install any ATi driver (including the most recent from MS), it falls on it's face. Like I said, it's not just slow - there is a conflict or compat issue going on. No, there aren't any yellow ! in my DM.

I'll keep trying. I wonder why the beta would have a driver that would work, but not retail?

Thanks
Jeff
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post #11 of 50
2/8/07 at 11:15am
Not the Microsoft driver. Get the ATI driver from www.ati.com

I actually have not tried the most recent release of the ati driver (released a couple days back), but the performance of 6122-beta2 was fine. I suppose that it is possible that the official release is worse for older cards, but I cannot verify.

I actually intend to install vista later today or tomorrow on the 5680 in a dual boot, but when I get around to it I do not know. I just installed a new harddrive in this and as usual it takes me a couple days to get things back to normal.

It is worth noting that the reason for the new drive is the old one was slowly dying. 3 years for a laptop drive is pushing it.

You never mentioned what drive you have.
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post #12 of 50
2/8/07 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by jfoster
Yes, it's a couple of years old, but its a 3gig 1gb ram P4. I've just installed Vista and it seems to have loaded drivers for everything fine, but it is HIDEOUSLY SLOW. Just changing the date/time is a challenge and there is NOTHING installed other than the OS. WHAT GIVES?

Time to go out and find the newest drivers for your system. I used Windows Vista RC2 for a while and had a similar problem at first. Come to find out their Via Sata Drivers, though they worked, weren't very compatible and cause buckets of poo to rain down on me and my PC. I got the newer version of the drivers from www.viaarena.com and it worked "fine" after that. On the bright side for you, at least your machine isn't running fast enough to find out about Vista's other problems or lack of Bluetooth support. =)
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post #13 of 50
2/8/07 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by Obsydian
Time to go out and find the newest drivers for your system. I used Windows Vista RC2 for a while and had a similar problem at first. Come to find out their Via Sata Drivers, though they worked, weren't very compatible and cause buckets of poo to rain down on me and my PC. I got the newer version of the drivers from www.viaarena.com and it worked "fine" after that. On the bright side for you, at least your machine isn't running fast enough to find out about Vista's other problems or lack of Bluetooth support. =)

Are you running a 5680?

I do have a 7200rpm 60gb drive.

I also did get the drivers from ATIs website and the results were the same. If I go back to Standard VGA, everything works fine, but I don't get any of the Aero stuff.
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post #14 of 50
2/8/07 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by gerryf
Not the Microsoft driver. Get the ATI driver from www.ati.com

I actually have not tried the most recent release of the ati driver (released a couple days back), but the performance of 6122-beta2 was fine. I suppose that it is possible that the official release is worse for older cards, but I cannot verify.

I actually intend to install vista later today or tomorrow on the 5680 in a dual boot, but when I get around to it I do not know. I just installed a new harddrive in this and as usual it takes me a couple days to get things back to normal.

It is worth noting that the reason for the new drive is the old one was slowly dying. 3 years for a laptop drive is pushing it.

You never mentioned what drive you have.

Cool - keep me posted. I'm all messed up at this point.
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post #15 of 50
2/8/07 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by Obsydian
Time to go out and find the newest drivers for your system. I used Windows Vista RC2 for a while and had a similar problem at first. Come to find out their Via Sata Drivers, though they worked, weren't very compatible and cause buckets of poo to rain down on me and my PC. I got the newer version of the drivers from www.viaarena.com and it worked "fine" after that. On the bright side for you, at least your machine isn't running fast enough to find out about Vista's other problems or lack of Bluetooth support. =)

The 5680 did not come with sata, nor did it use the via chipset.

The 5680 came with the intel 865pe chipset.,,vista has that chipset driver built in.

For anyone who reads this, don't use a via chipset driver on your sager 5680.
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post #16 of 50
2/8/07 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by jfoster
Cool - keep me posted. I'm all messed up at this point.


If you care to experiment, I uploaded the old video driver to my server. I never experienced any issues with it.


www.thecomputerparamedic.com/olddriver.zip
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post #17 of 50
2/8/07 at 1:08pm
Go download the latest chipset from Intel. Download the latest drivers for your graphics card. And you should be all set from there.
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post #18 of 50
2/8/07 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by gerryf
If you care to experiment, I uploaded the old video driver to my server. I never experienced any issues with it.


www.thecomputerparamedic.com/olddriver.zip


That looks like your sound drivers?
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post #19 of 50
2/8/07 at 1:31pm
I was going to say that there are no chipset driver needed, since it is built in to Vista and I never needed one, but Intel did release more recently than the built in driver, so I would say FC's advice is a good call.

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scri...6&submit=Go%21
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post #20 of 50
2/8/07 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by jfoster
That looks like your sound drivers?

Oops, my bad...grabbed the wrong file...let be send them up again...it will take about 15 minutes to upload.
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