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Hard Clash Between 17in Kings: DELL XPS M1710 vs CLEVO M570U - - - HELP !!!

Poll Results: apart money... ..the best laptop ??

 
  • 60% (12)
    DELL XPS M1710 with T7600G
  • 40% (8)
    CLEVO M570U with T7600
20 Total Votes  
post #1 of 18
2/8/07 at 7:02pm
Thread Starter 
Hi everybody !!
What Notebook Should I Buy ?

In these days I've received many estimates from high-end laptops providers, but the notebooks that I'm interesting in are only the following ones:

- DELL XPS M1710
- SANTECH M2910 ( CLEVO M570U )

..and it's very hard to make a choice...

Probably you don't know the Santech brand, but about its ODM barebone it's a CLEVO M570U -> http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/M570U.asp

Unfortunately, there are no thermal design analysis that compare these two laptops..

I'd have to use the DELL XPS M1710 with a T7600G processor or a Santech M2910 with a T7600 (that's why only DELL Inc. provides a Merom T7600G CPU...) .. for the rest of configuration I will use a GeForce 7950GTX (that I will problably overclock ...

But the advantage of the Santech products are:

1) the possibility of very cheap future upgrades with new CPUs, graphics card etc.. by using components provided by Santech without to lose anything about warranty/guarantee...
2) possibility to make a RAID 0 or 1 (thanks to two internal hard disk drives)
3) available in Italy (DELL Italy doesn't sell the XPS M1710 laptop...why ??? )

Also, the Santech customer support is excellent, just 48 days max. to solve any hardware problem.. It's very very near or equal to the DELL support performance.. (hearing from all italian Santech customers in many forums..)

So, could you please help me (and a lot of people) to choose into these laptops.. We can buy one laptop for about 2900 €uro (3.760 USD)..

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These are the specs for about 3.760 $:

SANTECH M2910

# Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo T7600 2,33GHz (4 MB L2 cache, 667Mhz FSB)
# Display 17" WUXGA 1.920x1.200 Glare Type (220 nits)
# Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce Go 7950GTX 512Mb GDDR3
# RAM 2 Gb DDR II 667MHz (2x1Gb) (Dual Channel) (Up to 4 Gb)
# HDD 1x100=100 Gb 7200 RPM S.ATA (the new Hitachi 7K100)
# (Possible RAID 0/1 Sata with 2 HDD 7200 RPM = Transfer Rate 629*2 = 1258 Mbits/sec. max)
# Burner: DVD Double Layer 8X (DVD+/-RW+R9) (it is an external slim if you choose RAID )
# Wireless (802.11a/b/g 54 Mbps)
# Bluetooth 2.0 Module
# 4 x USB 2.0
# WebCam 1.3 MP e Bluetooth 2.0 Integrati
# Battery: 8 cells (lithium)
# Chassis: Alluminium and ABS
# Networking: Wireless LAN (802.11a/b/g 54 Mbps), Bluetooth 2.0 Module, LAN 10/100/1000
# Porte: 4 x USB 2.0, Realtek HD 7.1 audio, 1 x external VGA (with adapter), 1 x Audio in, 1 x Microphone, 1 x S/PDIF digital, 1 x RJ-11 modem 56 Kbps V.90/V.92, 1 x RJ-45 LAN, 1 x TV-out connector S-Video, 1 x TV-in (only with internal TV Tuner), 1 x Card Reader 7in1 (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini SD), 1 x FireWire IEEE 1394 (Controller Texas Instruments), 1 x DVI-I, 1 x Serial Port, 1 x Express Card (Controller Texas Instruments), 1 x WebCam Integrata 1.3 MP, 1 x TV Tuner Analogico/Digitale (Optional)
# Dimensions: 397x294x44 cm
# Weight: da 3,58 Kg without battery (4 Kg with battery)
# Warranty: 2 Year door-to-door (48 days maximum waiting)

for other specs:-> http://www.santech.it/notebook/M2910.htm


DELL XPS M1710

# Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo T7600G 2,33GHz (4 MB L2 cache, 667Mhz FSB)
# Display: 17’’ WUXGA (1920x1200) UltraSharp with TrueLife (260 nits)
# Graphics card: Nvidia GeForce 7950GTX (512 MB GDDR3)
# RAM 2 Gb DDR II 667MHz (2x1Gb) (Dual Channel) (Up to 4 Gb)
# Hard Disk: 100GB (7200RPM SATA)
# Masterizzatore DVD Double Layer 8X (DVD+/-RW+R9)
# Networking: Dell Wireless 1500 Draft 802.11n Dual-Band Wireless Mini-Card, for Core 2 Processors, Bluetooth, Modem 56k
# Ports: IEEE 1394 a 4-pin, 6-USB 2.0 (Universal Serial Bus), RJ11 Modem, 1 DVI, 1 VGA, 1 S-Video, Component Video e S/PDIF, 5-in-1 memory card reader, hack for microphone and headsets, RJ45 Ethernet
# input: Keyboard QWERTY (English version)
# Battery: 9 cells (lithium)
# Chassis: Aluminium with reinforces in magnesium alloy
# Dimensions: 39,4x28,8x4,22 cm
# Weight: 4 Kg with 9 cells battery
# Warranty: 1-Year (standard) with possible extension...

for other specs: -> http://configure.euro.dell.com/dell...sftdppnotebook3

There is also a discussion on the most important italian PC hardware website..
http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/showthread.php?t=1397577
please visit it and if you a little bit understand the italian language you can post in english.. we'll be very happy and honor to hear about your opinion/help to find a possible true winner in these two high-end/enthusiast 17 inches laptops...

I can soon say that in the italian thread the main problem seems to be to analyze the best thermal design... For example I had no found any detailed thermal design analysis about the DELL XPS M1710...
For the Santech M2910 is impossible to find this bench because it's not yet much famous outside European Union or Italy...
Maybe, by googling "CLEVO M570U" should be more simple to have results about thermal design on that laptop... I hope..

For now, THANKS very much for any help !!

>Byez<
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post #2 of 18
2/8/07 at 9:35pm
Hi Bubu®,
how are you doing? Another italian in the forum, huh?
Anyway, I'm still convinced that you should wait for the DX10 cards if you want to spend nearly four grands...

P.S.: you should edit the title, it's clash, not crash (for "scontro").
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post #3 of 18
2/8/07 at 10:47pm
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post #4 of 18
2/8/07 at 10:50pm
if you absolutely had to buy now i would say get the m1710... i have had very good experiences with it and would highly recommend it.

as for waiting for dx10 cards, i wouldnt necessarily do it for the reason that nobody knows when the high end cards will be out ( late 2007 is the rumor). that means you could be in for a very long wait.
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post #5 of 18
2/8/07 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by Fidget
as for waiting for dx10 cards, i wouldnt necessarily do it for the reason that nobody knows when the high end cards will be out ( late 2007 is the rumor). that means you could be in for a very long wait.
Uhm, and what about waiting for the mid-range cards coming out within a pair of months? The 8600 or the X2600 could have performances similar to a 7900GS (at least @ stock clocks)...
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post #6 of 18
2/9/07 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by A.L.M.
Uhm, and what about waiting for the mid-range cards coming out within a pair of months? The 8600 or the X2600 could have performances similar to a 7900GS (at least @ stock clocks)...


pure speculation... nobody knows what performance level they will have, and thats the problem. i see no reason to wait if you NEED a laptop right now simply on the hope that maybe in a couple of months this or that will be released. you can wait endlessly for the next new thing to be released but in the end you will never stop waiting because there is always something new coming around the corner.

as for upgrades to machines currently on the market, i wouldnt count on it. there is nothing that says they will for sure offer an upgrade to anything. the best you can get right now is a removable card. that means that you maybe have the chance of upgrading assuming the company releases a card that will fit and work with the bios and other aspects of your specific notebook. there is no guarantee of an upgrade no matter what you purchase.
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post #7 of 18
2/9/07 at 3:47am
Thread Starter 
Hi A.L.M. and Hello everybody !!
I'm glad to hear another friend outside Italy !! You've already replied to me in the HWU forum, and I've surely considered that, but in the meantime I hope to find much more news and opinions on these two laptops...

Have u here about "Zidane forced Dell Italy for DELL XPS M1710 selling" ??

Anyway it looks that XPS would be much less noisy at default and with the maximum stress...

But anyway there are no real infos about the thermal designs, heatsink's or thermal compound material etc... On the Clevo M570U there are also someone who has modded the thermal components in a "killernotebook Executioner".. so I have no idea if the XPS M1710 would be better also vs that killernotebook..."

I hope I will found someone who has both laptops and tests them (but I'd like also to hear about T7600G@3,16GHz vs T7600@2,33GHz and relative temperature profiles..)

Thanks to all and see u soon !!
Bye

Ps.
@A.L.M.: About the title I can't edit it, I hope the forum staff will correct it for me...Anyway thanks for signalling that !!
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post #8 of 18
2/9/07 at 6:02am
if you're going to drop that kind of cash get the dell with the t7600g
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post #9 of 18
2/9/07 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by Fidget
pure speculation... nobody knows what performance level they will have, and thats the problem. i see no reason to wait if you NEED a laptop right now simply on the hope that maybe in a couple of months this or that will be released. you can wait endlessly for the next new thing to be released but in the end you will never stop waiting because there is always something new coming around the corner.

as for upgrades to machines currently on the market, i wouldnt count on it. there is nothing that says they will for sure offer an upgrade to anything. the best you can get right now is a removable card. that means that you maybe have the chance of upgrading assuming the company releases a card that will fit and work with the bios and other aspects of your specific notebook. there is no guarantee of an upgrade no matter what you purchase.
If you need a laptop right now, you are right, and obviously you can't wait forever.
But, given the huge amount of money that he is about to spend, I think that he should look also to the longevity of the laptop, if he can wait... DX9 cards could have a remarkable drop in performances with DX10 games, no matter how powerful they are (like what happened when there was the shift between DX8 and DX9). With the same amount of money he could buy a note with a 15.4" and a X1600 or 7600 to play with DX9 now for 1300$ or so, and then sell it and buy an Inspiron 17" with high end DX10 graphics at the end of the year (and maybe he could also end up with saving something...).
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post #10 of 18
2/10/07 at 5:10pm
Thread Starter 
Hello everybody !!
Maybe a poll can help !!

>Byezz<
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post #11 of 18
2/11/07 at 1:16am
i doubt anyone would have in their posession both those laptops

you can check the dell forums for some info on the t7600g, though not many people have it

there are 2 reviews of the exectutioner, though they don't give a good comparison of the temps
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post #12 of 18
2/11/07 at 5:30pm
Another vote for the XPS here. Dell has very good support and service and if you are going to shell out that much money you might as well get a great protection plan with good service.

I have an M1710 and I love it. : )
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post #13 of 18
2/13/07 at 5:14pm
Thread Starter 
Hello guys !! I've not found anything else out about the stock cooling differences between the two ? That's something many people would be really interested to know... I've just viewed only these images about a modded Clevo M570U ==> http://www.guruofgaming.com/modules....er=asc&start=0
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..these are pictures of the heatsinks. These ones have been modded by killer notebooks, but it's essentially the same. http://www.killernotebooks.com/execu.../7950_mods.jpg To the left is the CPU one, and to the right the GPU. The heatsink pipes then end to the left, where the fin areas sit alongside each other. Here is a top down view of the whole heatsink. http://www.killernotebooks.com/execu...s/GPU_Open.jpg If you're looking at the underside of the laptop with the front facing you these would be at the back in the middle. The BIG fan would be to the left, behind the fins.
I thought that means the Clevo M570U without modding it's not perfect... Does the XPS M1710 has the best passive and active cooling system without any modding ? That's my question... Anyway, I've not yet found specific comparatives about thermal design of the two laptops... So that's all for now.. Bye everybody !!
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post #14 of 18
2/13/07 at 10:12pm
sadly you are unlikely to find specific comparisons of those two in terms of their thermal capacity and ability to OC based on the active and passive cooling in them
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post #15 of 18
2/14/07 at 1:05am
I looked in my clevo m570u, and found out that my copper heat pipes are all covered in stickers with dates and model #'s.

That can't help heat dissipation, right?

Maybe that's why killer notebooks m570u runs cooler? They just take off the stickers.
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post #16 of 18
2/15/07 at 7:58pm
Thread Starter 
OT:
I don't know many forums, but it's amazing, this thread is already indexed by Google..

Just try and see:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...h+Google&meta=

So, I discovered notebook forums is linked from many important websites... Great !!
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post #17 of 18
3/3/07 at 6:37pm
Thread Starter 
Hi guys.. Any news about the future Intel Extreme series mobile CPUs ??
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post #18 of 18
3/4/07 at 12:58am
Have the XPS2, have played with the M1710 extensively and also have the M570U. My main notebook is now the M570u. The Dell doesn't feel as well built as surprising as that seems.
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