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Prevent Vista From Using Physical Memory

post #1 of 26
2/13/07 at 8:37am
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Hey Guys
I Currently Upgraded To Vista Ultimate and i noticed that it is using a constant of 600mb of my 1giga rams
so my pc is not functioning properly if anyone knows how to stop that from happening i would really appreciate it thanks in advance
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post #2 of 26
2/13/07 at 12:04pm
No can do, that's just the way operating systems function. And, it's not just using physical memory... it's using the hard disk too in a swap (or page) file. You can prevent it from using a swap file, but that's definitely a bad idea on Vista since it uses so much memory. You'd probably need a minimum of 8 gigs of RAM.

Preventing Windows from using your RAM would make your computer very slow.
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post #3 of 26
2/13/07 at 12:18pm
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thanks how bad anyways i am upgrading to 2 giga lets see what will happen
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post #4 of 26
2/13/07 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by at004
Hey Guys
I Currently Upgraded To Vista Ultimate and i noticed that it is using a constant of 600mb of my 1giga rams
so my pc is not functioning properly if anyone knows how to stop that from happening i would really appreciate it thanks in advance
I took my system up in stages from 1G to 2G to 3G to 4G and here are my findings. 1 to 2 is the difference between night and day, windows using approximately 900M up from your 600M. 2 to 3 a little noticeable, windows using approximately 1G. 3 to 4 nothing noticeable windows still using 1G but much more available now for highly intensive programs and gaming. So my conclusion is 2G is the sweet spot and 3G or more is performance.

Thanks
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post #5 of 26
2/13/07 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by at004
...how bad anyways ...

Well, to my knowledge, you can't even do it. Memory management is a very complex task for the OS to do and you can't just "turn it off"
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post #6 of 26
2/13/07 at 6:53pm
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i think that this problem is reducing my vga as it is 128 mb shared but now it is only 32 mb that is why i hate this thing vista has,,, what do u think if i upgrade would my vga get better cause where i live the cost of 1 giga ram is $200.
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post #7 of 26
2/13/07 at 8:27pm
reduce the number of services you have running. Or, a more radical approach, strip out unneeded components of vista before you install it. I did that, with full driver support, my vista install disc is under 1Gig, and memory usage at startup is around 400mb. I upgraded from 1GB to 2 and... didn't notice any improvement as my memory usage is around 400-800mb most of the time (have not gone into photoshop yet).
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post #8 of 26
2/14/07 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by exe
reduce the number of services you have running. Or, a more radical approach, strip out unneeded components of vista before you install it. I did that, with full driver support, my vista install disc is under 1Gig, and memory usage at startup is around 400mb. I upgraded from 1GB to 2 and... didn't notice any improvement as my memory usage is around 400-800mb most of the time (have not gone into photoshop yet).
i hate this totally about vista,, but for me it is taking only 600 mb of memory if i upgrade lets say to 2giga would it start taking more than 600mb because now there is more memory available or would it stay 600MB and i would have 1200 mb free to use?
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post #9 of 26
2/14/07 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by at004
i hate this totally about vista,, but for me it is taking only 600 mb of memory if i upgrade lets say to 2giga would it start taking more than 600mb because now there is more memory available or would it stay 600MB and i would have 1200 mb free to use?
Read my post above, I reported my findings as I increased from 1G to 4G in stages. To answer you question in short "yes" it is going to use more. Windows looks at what your system has installed and determines how much to swap out to hard drive so it won't use all your memory. Remember the less memory you have the more it has to swap out and the slower system performance becomes. It's a joke what they have listed for minimum requirements to run vista 512 MB. I hope this helps.
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post #10 of 26
2/14/07 at 11:20am
as a poster mentioned before, Vista uses a new technology called superfetch. It will utilize your memory better, it will analize your requirements and predict what needs to be stored in ram so that when you open your program, it should already be there (will learn over time what you open, when you open). So don't be put off by it using more memory. On the other hand, there are lots of processes that can be disabled, just as with XP, that will speed up the operation of your OS.
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post #11 of 26
2/14/07 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by exe
.... . On the other hand, there are lots of processes that can be disabled, just as with XP, that will speed up the operation of your OS.
thanks for the info, i searched the net and they said if you disbaled superfetch it would save you alot of physical memory... so i tried it but the same result a constant of 600 mb is being used for something else... what kind of processes are u reffering to if u could please specify so i can try to get rid of them.. Thanks
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post #12 of 26
2/16/07 at 4:47pm
There are many things you can turn off in Vista like indexing options and such that will save you a little here and there but you will not find anything that will save you much more then 100MB max. Mine uses about 800MB all the time. I can restart my computer and it will be at or a little lower then the 800MB. I can open 5 programs and it still stays at about 800MB. Vista will use a lot of RAM but when it comes time that you need it, Vsta will share a little. If you dont want to add the extra 1GB you can also try a Flash Drive or SD card for ReadyBoost. It does show great improvements. I have the lappie in my sig and I still have the 2GB SD card for ReadyBoost
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post #13 of 26
2/17/07 at 12:14pm

SD card speed question

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Originally Posted by cstradling24
There are many things you can turn off in Vista like indexing options and such that will save you a little here and there but you will not find anything that will save you much more then 100MB max. Mine uses about 800MB all the time. I can restart my computer and it will be at or a little lower then the 800MB. I can open 5 programs and it still stays at about 800MB. Vista will use a lot of RAM but when it comes time that you need it, Vsta will share a little. If you dont want to add the extra 1GB you can also try a Flash Drive or SD card for ReadyBoost. It does show great improvements. I have the lappie in my sig and I still have the 2GB SD card for ReadyBoost
hey cstradling24, we've got a research thread for readyboost devices going here for Dell owners although other brands can also benefit of course: http://www.notebookforums.com/thread190160.html I'm waiting on a new Dell E1705/2 Gb Ram/Core 2 Duo 7200/100 Gb 7200 Rpm/Vista Ultimate laptop to show up next week. I ordered an SD card, the SanDisk Extreme III with size of 2 Gb model, and am wondering if you've ever had a chance to benchmark the read/write/access speeds of your laptop's reader and SD card combo? If not, would you be willing to give it a try? It looks to me based on a good speed stats site that the hi-speed SD cards will have a speed advantage over USB thumb drives. But I'm not sure until I get my machine about how good the Dell's internal media readers are.
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post #14 of 26
2/19/07 at 5:30am
here's a couple things you can do on vista that will lower the amount of physical memory being used. In the registry, go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\PriorityControl and look at win32priority separation. this key determines the amout of priority given to your foreground and background applications. I tune it to about 14, but you can play with it as high as 22 and find your sweet spot on your computer. reboot your computer and see the difference. Also if you have any kind of externa usb hard drive, there is a way to use readyboost with it even if microsoft doesnt recognize it as a readyboost drive for directions check here http://http://www.tabletquestions.co...stry-hack.html

these things can make a big difference and if anyone doesnt think so, i dropped my physical memory used from 59 down to 37% with just doing this!
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post #15 of 26
2/19/07 at 2:21pm
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i tried that way with registry and tweaked it to 14 but no luck at all just got worse 700 mb constant
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post #16 of 26
3/7/07 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by at004
thanks for the info, i searched the net and they said if you disbaled superfetch it would save you alot of physical memory... so i tried it but the same result a constant of 600 mb is being used for something else...

what kind of processes are u reffering to if u could please specify so i can try to get rid of them..

Thanks

Sorry, I don't have the link off hand. But services such as indexing, readyboost, fast switching, task scheduler and on and on and on. Just look under your task manager. How many processes do you have running? I get mine down to low 20's at startup under XP and low 30's at startup under Vista. BTW I am on one core, two cores will run more processes. This is how I am able to get down to 400mb at startup. Plus, my Vista Untilmate is stipped down to 1GB (with full driver support) install disc, yours is over 2.2GB, right away, there are services that mine isn't running.

Ok, found the link:

http://www.tweakhound.com/vista/tweakguide/services.htm

And a stong advice, you better backup your stuff, and know how to do recovery.
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post #17 of 26
3/14/07 at 2:32pm
what stuff did you disable. I'm not sure I understand how you know which things you can run at startup and which things you don't need. Like it says to disable readyboost but what if I want to use a readyboost device? It says to disable ssdp discovery and remote registry for security reasons, what does that even mean? Also theres a difference between desktop and laptop tweaks, what do those do?
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post #18 of 26
3/14/07 at 3:34pm
I found it to be the new indexing and superfetch. They are heavily integrated and you would need to disable both. After that I reduced to about 475mb
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post #19 of 26
3/21/07 at 7:45am
You guys are missing the point, superfetch helps load your programs faster and indexing doesn't use resources unless it's actually working. When you load a program the memory manager will page to disk anyways and free up some RAM if need be. There is no reason to disable either. Great, you have more free memory because...you disabled services that help your computer run faster. Talk about an exercise in futility...

In general, if a service is running, it's probably useful. Besides they take up like five megs of ram each, tops. Firefox with its infamous memory usage is taking up more memory than every single windows service combined right now. It's a waste of time trying to tweak them, just buy more memory.
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post #20 of 26
3/21/07 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by wonnage
..... It's a waste of time trying to tweak them, just buy more memory.
can u lend us some money
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