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NVIDIA confirms GeForce 8-series for laptops

post #1 of 38
2/23/07 at 2:28pm
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FYI

http://laptops.engadget.com/2007/02/...s-for-laptops/


"NVIDIA may be talking up its high-end graphics for cellphones these days, but that doesn't mean it's forgotten about those who prefer their portable gaming slightly less portable, recently firming up some details on its GeForce 8-series graphics hardware for laptops. The big news is that the company has confirmed that they plan to ship the new-and-improved hardware in time for the launch of Intel's upcoming Santa Rosa platform, otherwise known as Centrino Pro, which still seems to be on schedule for a Q2 launch. Assuming ATI doesn't have something up its sleeve, that would make the GeForce 8-series the first DirectX 10-compliant laptop graphics hardware, able to handle high-definition video as well as games. As you might have guessed, there's unfortunately no word yet on how much of a premium it'll add to sure-to-be-already-pricey laptops."
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post #2 of 38
2/23/07 at 4:12pm
Jebus............boiled balls anyone, I wonder what kind of heat that thing would put off. Cant wait to see what they devise for cooling, special recirculated "liguid" cooling system on the back, less protable more desktop replacement.

Hmmm 5 inch laptop base, integrated laptop stand, slidable vents to allow more air flow. Its going to be interesting to see what kind of designs they can pull out.
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post #3 of 38
2/23/07 at 4:52pm
This was known kind of unofficaly at ces last month when laptops with series 8 cards were being show. However they were 8400s or whatever, we probably wont be seeing any high end 8800 cards for awhile still.
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post #4 of 38
2/23/07 at 5:44pm
too bad im getting my m1710 soon, if i wait 2 months or so im sure that video card would drive the currents price down.. whatever :O, i could probley get that new card later on a deal..

so im gonna assume that a m1710 is gonna have its video card upgradable to the new 8800?.. wonder if thats safe to say considering the current cooling options.., but is there that much a difference? O.o
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post #5 of 38
2/23/07 at 6:00pm
http://www.notebookforums.com/thread190869.html

read the thread from the alienware section... then realize that the 8800gtx wont be out until Q3, and that odds are it wont be offered as an upgrade for the m1710. you assume anything in terms of upgrades you are going to likely be disappointed.
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post #6 of 38
2/23/07 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by Furious George
so im gonna assume that a m1710 is gonna have its video card upgradable to the new 8800
There is no basis for such an assumption. Most likely there will be no further upgrades possible for this laptop, for technical as well as business reasons.
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post #7 of 38
2/23/07 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by Pirx
There is no basis for such an assumption. Most likely there will be no further upgrades possible for this laptop, for technical as well as business reasons.

I hope you're wrong. Better to upgrade than to buy a whole new laptop.
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post #8 of 38
2/23/07 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by Cookie092
I hope you're wrong. Better to upgrade than to buy a whole new laptop.

Really? For all you know, you might have to gut out the whole motherboard and the video card, that would be an upgrade of 700+....is it really worth that kind of an upgrade? I'd say just use ur 1705/1710 till it gets really old and then just get a new system.

Still I can't wait till the 8800 comes out! -chugging along with my 9300 heh-
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post #9 of 38
2/23/07 at 9:02pm
Because of heat and power concerns, there WILL NOT BE an upgrade to an 8800 for the current generation of laptops. Period. The G80 (8800) simply puts out too much heat and draws too much power.

My guess is that we won't even see a G80 (8800) for laptops, but rather G81 (8900), with a smaller die size and better power/heat management .
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post #10 of 38
2/23/07 at 11:16pm
It was announced that NVIDIA was sampling their DX10 laptop part back in November of last year. Where have you guys been!

Bob
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post #11 of 38
2/24/07 at 12:19am
This is really good news I've been waiting to hear. I'm not going to listen to the negativity surrounding the 8800 heat issue.

What we can be almost certain of is that when santa rosa launches there will be a refresh in the line of laptops and do you really think Dell or AW are going to put mainstream GPU's in their high-end gaming sytems?

I seriously doubt the 7950GTX is going to be on top until the end of the year.
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post #12 of 38
2/24/07 at 3:02am
no the 7950 wont be top end by the end of the yeah but at the same time the go 8800gtx is supposaidly due to come out in Q3 (so before the end of the year).... but it wont be out right away. the heat issue is real, the 8800 just cant be done because of the heat and power demands without undergoing some serious shrinking and that wont happen until AFTER santarosa has already been out for several months. this is not official of course but what the industry is saying at this point.
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post #13 of 38
2/24/07 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by Fidget
no the 7950 wont be top end by the end of the yeah but at the same time the go 8800gtx is supposaidly due to come out in Q3 (so before the end of the year).... but it wont be out right away. the heat issue is real, the 8800 just cant be done because of the heat and power demands without undergoing some serious shrinking and that wont happen until AFTER santarosa has already been out for several months. this is not official of course but what the industry is saying at this point.

Yes, I understand the heat issue is real, I mean just looking at the size of those cards makes you think how the heck are they gonna put them in laptops. But they been working on this awhile now and you can be sure the people working on it are getting their a$$es pushed to making it work.

My point was simply that we know now that DX10 laptops are coming out with santa rosa, around May (which is even months from now). I'm just saying I doubt we'll have to wait well into the fall to see a go8800, especially when the gaming market has been becoming more important and because that'd be a long period of time with no manufactor being able to offer high-end gaming laptop in the market (considering the new DX10 standard and 7950GTX being old).

I believe they have enough time and pressure to get it done in a reasonable timeframe so I'm being optimistic about it.
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post #14 of 38
2/24/07 at 12:19pm
I expect to see an 8300, 8400 and 8700 all with various numbers of pipelines, and No 8800 due to heat issues.
The 8700 may (might, maybe) perform almost as well as the current 79xx cards, and have a similar thermal envelope, making it suitable for only 17" gaming laptops.

I'm actually wondering if I really want to wait. I plan on not moving to Vista at all. I seriously hate the operating system, Office 2007, and IE7.
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post #15 of 38
2/24/07 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by katorga
I expect to see an 8300, 8400 and 8700 all with various numbers of pipelines, and No 8800 due to heat issues.
The 8700 may (might, maybe) perform almost as well as the current 79xx cards, and have a similar thermal envelope, making it suitable for only 17" gaming laptops....

Actually what is due out soon for desktops is the 8600 (vanilla and ultra versions), so I would expect to see those notebook counterparts, not the 8700.
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post #16 of 38
2/24/07 at 4:24pm
i guess the real question is will it make a difference in speed for our game needs? ive noticed no increase from a 6800 to a 7950, there is of course technology differences, but when it comes to ingame fps, no difference, so far ive only seen the cpu make a difference..

i dont know much about the 8800 and what it has to offer other than technology.. however if it cant pickup the speed then im not too worried about upgrading anytime soon.

BTW; are there actually any DX10 games that have planned release dates? i know to work in the UT3 engine u need a DX10 card.. however ive heard the game itself is only DX9..
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post #17 of 38
2/24/07 at 4:54pm
Hopefully they'll entertain the thought of making an External PCIe version.

...of course, that tech might be mature in time for the 9-series, who knows. =/

It's going to be awkward when nVidia gets up to the 9600-9800 series.
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post #18 of 38
2/24/07 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by Furious George
i guess the real question is will it make a difference in speed for our game needs? ive noticed no increase from a 6800 to a 7950, there is of course technology differences, but when it comes to ingame fps, no difference, so far ive only seen the cpu make a difference..

i dont know much about the 8800 and what it has to offer other than technology.. however if it cant pickup the speed then im not too worried about upgrading anytime soon.

BTW; are there actually any DX10 games that have planned release dates? i know to work in the UT3 engine u need a DX10 card.. however ive heard the game itself is only DX9..

Are you kidding?? I noticed a substantial difference between 6800 and 7800, well worth the money and it makes me a happy camper to be able to play the most recent games with great graphics and fps. The only times when I think you wouldn't notice a difference is when you're playing older games, newer games at low settings, or games that aren't that graphics demanding.

As for DX10 games, just about all the games carrying the "games for windows" logo are going to work with DX10 (Crysis, Hellgate: London, Age of Conan are some looking to be released summer or fall, no concrete release date though).
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post #19 of 38
2/25/07 at 1:58am
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Originally Posted by Furious George
i guess the real question is will it make a difference in speed for our game needs? ive noticed no increase from a 6800 to a 7950, there is of course technology differences, but when it comes to ingame fps, no difference, so far ive only seen the cpu make a difference...

Huh? Are you serious?? I went from a 9300 with a 6800go to a M170 with a 7800GTX and noticed a world of a difference. Something must be wrong with your Lappy.
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post #20 of 38
2/25/07 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by Joshnor713
especially when the gaming market has been becoming more important
More important? Maybe so, but in the grand scheme of things the laptop gaming market is tiny, really. It is attractive due to the high profit margins, but marginal in terms of volume, so it is not a market that drives anything.
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Originally Posted by Joshnor713
I believe they have enough time and pressure to get it done in a reasonable timeframe so I'm being optimistic about it.
No amount of pressure will change the laws of physics, nor will it change the realities of the market.
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