NVIDIA confirms GeForce 8-series for laptops - Page 2

i can't see how people can make presumptions based on nothing. My reasoning is if they can fit two 7950GTX's in a laptop then they can definitely fit a 8800go in there because it uses less power than two 7950 gtx's in sli. Dell and Alienware also wouldn't release laptops with anything less than the top line of graphics cards in their laptops as an option

No one can truely say what the realities of the market are unless they play a part in it, so as far as these statements go, they are just presumptions.

The best thing to base it on unless you get a direct confirmation is what you know and what is known is that 8-series go GPU's are coming out with santa rosa around may and AW is putting two 7950GTX's in a 17 inch laptop before that, so how much more heat would a single 8800 have? Also, from past history, GPU launches always begin with the high-end and then are toned down to mainstream.

Yeah right. The laptop market will pass the desktop market in 2007. Business will still drive a lot of volume for the absolute low end system config, but consumers, management, students, and creative types all want laptops. Therefore, Intel drops the desktop P4 platform and uses its laptop chip as the basis of all new cpu's. Judging from the heat and power requirements of the DX10 cards, Nvidia and ATI may need to do the same thing: develop the mobile part first for low power/heat needs, and scale it up to a desktop part rather than trying to scale down the desktop parts.

We all know technoligy will never stand still but heat and power consumption is always a factor in laptops. So I would guess to see a toned down version or a super loud new cooling design or laptops that are larger and a monster powerbrick to supply the beast of a card. But most definatly in the future can see a external setup for laptops for the hard core gamers. But then again it is all about the mighty doller and no PC manufacturer wants to build laptops with a longer upgrade path because when eventually have a external solution for graphics it will hurt sales but then again I feel when the external solution hits the market it's upgrade path will also be controled to an extent. I for one stay docked to my D-Dock for the most part and when I am not and must go mobil for the most part I am not gaming I am working. So for a external solution I would love to see a monster docking station capeable of of holding a beast of a craphics card like the 8800 and a soundcard also with a couple of monster fans to keep the beast cool . Sorry to get off topic here but just wanted to vent and share my wish list.

I have owned all of Dells highed laptops begeining with the first XPS Gen 1 and find it disapointing to have such a short upgrade path for such expeincive laptops. So I for one would purchase a external solution in a heartbeat to avoid buying a whole new laptop when I start to fall behind in graphics as newer more demanding games come out.

Just my 2 cents worth

Given that all of us here do play a part in the market, that is an empty statement. Yes, that is something we know. Another thing we know, but it is not clear what relationship, if any, that piece of information has with the question at hand. This rest is mostly speculation, as far as what we are discussing here is concerned.

You did see that I wrote "laptop gaming market", did you not?

Er, I love how people fail to understand that it's easier to cool two hot parts separated than one hotter part.

dude, everything I say isn't nonsense so for one thing stop bashing all my statements.

And for what I said about playing a role in the market I meant the people who are actually making the components we're discussing about or the big-timers behind these projects and systems.

And yes, the fact that you can put two 7950GTX's in a 17 inch laptop does mean a significant deal in our discussion of heat issues, and if you can't see that then I won't bother.

If you weren't too busy looking for fallacies in my statements then maybe you could see what I'm really trying to say.

No, it doesn't mean much, and I happen to know what I am talking about. Also see the post by SomethingFunny. But don't bother.

wow Im loving this lol...surface area cooling, bashing, a few comments on the 8800 here and there

I won't, haha

well there is a physical requirement....

Its ok, dont get too worked up over him, its what pirx does.

They are not trying to change the laws of physics, they are trying to deal with them. The realities of the market? The only reality at this point in time is that a mobile DX10 chip will come out. No pressure? So you think the R&D/implementation time would be the same if Nvidia was the only one designing something VS Nvidia being in competition with someone? The pressure of being the first to come out with a part would have no impact on time to develope and release? Im pretty sure that 'pressure' has quite an effect.

That's a somewhat narrow view of both the market we are talking about and the set of facts surrounding it. To give you some examples, one of the pertinent facts is that NVidia is currently ahead of the game, but still has ATI breathing down their neck (so there's your pressure). Another fact is that Dell has lost significant amounts of market share to competitors like HP/Compaq, and is in the throws of a major attempt to correct a trajectory neither they nor their shareholders can like. Yet another reality is that NVidia is moving their chips to an 65nm process, which is not an easy thing to do, but is crucial for them to get the power requirements of their chips under control. Power requirements, by the way, which are a problem even for desktop machines... Here are some pieces of information that are not fact, but about which broad agreement seems to exist: - Insiders expect NVidia to be able to produce 65nm chips to replace the current 90nm generation at the end of Q2. Given the fact that these chips will have much lower power requirements, nobody in his right mind would start to develop a laptop platform for the current chips, not even niche manufacturers like AW or Sager. - There will be no mobile version of NVidia's G80 platform. - There is speculation that NVidia may even skip the planned G81, and go straight to the G90 series. All of the above strongly suggests that high-end mobile GPUs from NVidia will appear no earlier than end of Q2, and laptops using them may be available sometime in Q3, at the earliest. As far as Dell is concerned, observers and analysts point to the somewhat bland design of the typical Dell laptops (compared to the newer models from HP, Sony, etc.) as one source of their problems. One might think that Dell management recognizes this issue as well, meaning that they should be hard at work designing a completely new line-up for all of their laptops. Typically, Dell will try to design a small number of fundamental chassis (one for each size) that can accommodate the requirements as anticipated for the next few (2-3) years. On the GPU side, this means that Dell will design those machines around the reqirements for NVidia's upcoming GPU generation, and not for a G80 mobile GPU that will probably never materialize anyway. I neither said nor implied anything of that sort. I agree with that. What I was saying is that the effects of that pressure will remain within the limits given both by the laws of physics and the market. Much better...

Agreed, with the exception of bringing manufactures into the equation, because i quite honestly know next to nothing about that and did not address it in the first place anyway. Not saying i disagree though. Just to add to that, G81 will be 80nm, and not even due out until Q2 (conveniently just in time to spoil ATIs DX10 launch) so i wouldnt be the least bit surprised to see a 65nm/G90 as the first mobile DX10 chip. That makes a hell of alot more sense and i completely agree. X not being able to change Y and the effects of X being governed by Y are really two different statements, although there seems to be a pretty thin line between the two.

Yeah, no doubt there's a lot going on behind the scenes right now. I doubt that there's many firm predictions that anybody could justify at this point in time, except that the second half of the year is going to be interesting. Not a bad situation, if you ask me Good to see that we are on the same page on this, and other stuff, too...

Can't disagree with you on that one