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Service Manual? Or, how disassemble M51 -7700?

post #1 of 27
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All,
This is my first post on your forum. I have join because 100,000 minds are better than one.

I own a Area-51 7700 Alienware desktop replacement. It's has a 3.4Ghz processor with a CLEVO D900T Moob. Obviously, having said this, you all ready know my demise and my question(s)...

I have had the Notebook for 2 years and have had the moob replaced by Aleinware one time all ready a year ago (they also upgraded the BIOS at that time to support higher fan speeds). Well, I fear the moob had gone again as it consistantly reboots or locks up. No, it is not a software problem as I booted up on XP (Cd boot) and it still would lock up - even in Recover Console.

I have learned my lesson about purchasing a "Desktop Replacement" computer. Desktops are Desktops and Notebooks are Notebooks and the technology still is not there to have both in one box. This thing runs so hot that I have taken to setting it on 1" X 1" wood strips to allow better ventilation. This appears to help but nevertheless I have a hardware problem and having searched the Cyperworld for the past 4 days without success I have ended up on your door step seeking answers or at least suggestions.

I would prefer to repair this myself as I fear (I am certain) next year ithis will happen again (this is the second time in 2 years) and the investment is so high that I need to get 1-2 more years out of the notebook.

1. Does a Service Manual or some instructions showing how to disassemble an Area-51 7700 even exist? Is there something close?

2. Where can I buy a CLEVO D900T motherboard?

3. Recommendation of a repair facility that repairs Alienware (most cannot get the parts). I really do not wish to send this back to Alienware. I feel their design is flawed and all I am doing is paying "top money" them to keep it alive.

I am a Communcation Engineer and think I can repair this if given the parts and some steps on how to get inside this thing. Yes, I need a little help before trying for I do not wish to make matters worse.

Regards,
Rick
post #2 of 27
i had the same problem like you
but it only the 7700 model problem not all alienware desktop replacment
i can help you in the replacment process as i allready did it

1- there is no service manual however for this laptop
but i'll give you a link that might help it contain pics i took while replacing my MOBO
http://www.notebookforums.com/showth...=171212&page=3

anyway if you decide to do it your self BE CAREFUL this is one of the hardest laptop to handle

2- you can buy the mobo from RJTECH.com i think it's the only place that has these MOBOs left since Clevo stoped this MOBO production

http://www.rjtech.com/miva/merchant...._Code=MB-D900T

3- i think you can send it to RJTECK if you want them to replace the mobo for you
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
Omagian,

Thanks very much. I have written RJTechs and I now wait for their reply. I quickly looked over their site but did not see any CLEVO D900T... I am fearing the worse... I really do not know what to do if i cannot get a new motherboard...$3500 machine that is useless in only 2 years. I need to give this some thought...perhaps a different MOOB will fit? Well I hope RJTechs can help...

Just looking over your photos...Whew! This will be a delicate operation...I am not sure I am the surgeon to do this job...

I also own another Alienware product (SENTIA) which I am using now. It's a great machine. It's fast and light weight...But, no more Desktop Replacements machines for me. I have decide to build a state-of-the-art machine but it will be a desktop and when I buy another notebook it will again be small, lightweight and use a processor that does not produce so much heat.

Thanks, Omagian, at least I can learn from your experience. I will hope for the best but I fear the worse - like the MOOBs are no longer available. I will let you know how it turns out just in case you need the information in the future.

Regards,
Rick
post #4 of 27
Thread Starter 
Omagian,

One last thing...how do you get the keyboard out?

Rick
post #5 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_robinson99
Omagian, One last thing...how do you get the keyboard out? Rick
Keyboard removal.
post #6 of 27
You can buy the clevo d900k mobo, it's an AMD mobo, so you'll also need a new processor, but it's better than nothing if rjtech doesn't carry the d900t anymore...
post #7 of 27
this is the link for D900T from RJTeck

D900T MOBO Link

but you must wait for confirmation by email that they have it allready

also HH is right about buying the D900K & AMD processor if the D900T not available

the keyboard link
KEYBOARD Removal

by the way HH the new MOBO D900T 6.2 & the AC5 will help ALOT in the heat issue
my laptop now idle on 50C & some time 45C & shutdown the FANS this never happened before with my old MOBO 5.2 Wich always idle on 62C
post #8 of 27
Guess I should have made the link stand out more .
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
Omagian and HH,

"but you must wait for confirmation by email that they have it allready"
RICK: I emailed them late last night which would have been at the end of their work day (I am in Central Asia) so I await their response. I decided not to attempt this myself...I am so far away from any city where I can get parts that any mistake or mishap would be fatal. The CLEVO D900T is $480 which is not cheap considering you can buy new top of the line ASUS and/or INTEL etc. MOBO for about $200 less - so - it is not worth the risk of trying it myself. I will pay the extra money to have it done if possible.

"...the new MOBO D900T 6.2 & the AC5 will help ALOT in the heat issue"
RICK: Should I specifically ask for rev. 6.2? And, what is ACS? Do I need to specifically ask for ACS also?

One last question, I noticed that the CLEVO D900T will accept newer nVidia 7800/7900GTX/7950GTX (have not check if RJTech carries them). Have you guys upgraded your video cards and if so where did you buy them? Did you see a improvement worth the cost? And, of course, did it significantly increase the output of heat? (That's the REAl question as I can live without extra graphics speed but I cannot live with more heat.

I cannot thank you both enough for your help. Perhaps if I can get a rev 6.2 board I can get a few more years out of this investment before it turns into toast.

So, I am sitting here biting my nails until I hear from RJ Techs....

Rick
post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 
Omagian, HH and Hulioni,

Again thanks for your help... I did here from RJTechs and they asked me to perform the following test which I post for future reference and knowledge because it makes a lot of sense and not sure why i did not think of it. However, my Laptop has refused to boot up at all this morning (it would boot last night) and it appears the thing is haunted and trying to cause me as much pain as possible . I check my revison of MoBo and it is a 5.5... I await word from RJTechs...BTW the D900K is a valid option and one I would not have thought of on my own. Thanks!

RJTech suggestion to see if it's a MoBo problem:
"Go to BIOS setup and make sure your front clock display is enabled, then
reboot it and go to the BIOS setup screen and stay there for one hour and
see if it will lock up or not. If It is not locked up in the BIOS setup
screen, then the motherboard should be fine."

Rick
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
...just realized that the "FRONT CLOCK" display is "off"... it was always "on." This is a definite bad sign... I have not touch the BIOS in any way, shape or form - ever!

In fact, I think even when the unit was turned off the front clock was on. Can one of you confirm this? I cannot remember...

Rick
post #12 of 27
RICK: Should I specifically ask for rev. 6.2?
No they always give you the latest rev avaliable like i asked them for for 6.1 & when they ship it they put the 6.2 which is much better

what is AC5? {not ACS}
AC5 = Arctic Silver 5 = Hightech CPU Heatsink Grease
it's a thermal compound used between the processor & Heatsink to help in heat conduction from processor & will make processor ALOT cooler {i've intel 3.8Ghz which make alot of heat }

Do I need to specifically ask for AC5 also?
you can buy it from any computer/electronics store & apply it your self


Have you guys upgraded your video cards and if so where did you buy them?
yes i got the 7900GTX 512M from RJtech which make my 7700 run like a dream machine
last night i was able to play S.T.A.L.K.E.R
& actually the 7900 runs cooler than my old 6800
you can get 7950GTX512M from rjtech if you want
7950GTX512M
or 7800GTX256M also from rjtech
7800gtx256M

when the unit was turned off the front clock was on. Can one of you confirm this?
No. When you turn off the 7700 the front panel go off also
what exactly happen to your lappy when you try to boot? does the screen charge ? power lid go ON ?

in my case when my MOBO was fried it was like a DEAD COW nothing happened at all when i push the power botton.
post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 
Omagian,

"AC5 = Arctic Silver 5 = Hightech CPU Heatsink Grease..."
RICK: OK. Got it. It's a high qualiity thermal grease. I will probably have to order it as doubtful I can find it here but that is okay - anything to make it run cooler. Just keep those ideas coming, Omagian as I need all the help I can get. I really would like to see my Area-51 last another year or more after it is repaired.

"yes i got the 7900GTX 512M from RJtech ...& actually the 7900 runs cooler than my old 6800"
RICK: Then that is 2 good reasons to upgrade 1. Faster and 2. Cooler.

"when the unit was turned off the front clock was on. "
RICK: OK. Thanks. I could not remember...

"what exactly happens to your lappy when you try to boot? does the screen charge ? power lid go ON ?...when my MOBO was fried it was like a DEAD COW nothing happened at all "
RICK: LAst time I had a "dead cow" also I had a smoking dead cow! But, this time:
1. Power LED changes from Amber to Green
2. Alienware "Blue Eyes" (power lid) comes on.
3. You hear the unit looking at the DVD/CD drives
4. You get the 3 ultility Green LEDs flash on for about a second and then they shut off
5. and the Hard Drive LED goes "solid" green (not fliicker like it is loading)
6. There is nothing on the monitor at all it does not even flicker
7. The fans will come on ~ 30 seconds later

Geez! I just tried booting it and it tried to boot up and I hit F2 for BIOS and it locked up before it even got to the BIOS window...trying again and it will not boot up...getting the same as above...maybe the controller is bad...

Waiting on reply from RJTechs as they are on a different clock...if they will repair my machine then I will also get the 7950GTX512 from them...as you justified the expense perfectly

Rick

That's
post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 
I just got word from RJTech...No Joy.

"Currently, we can not take this model for repair since the video card andmotherboard is on back order and no confirmed ETA so far. So even we let yousend it in, there is no parts to replace or test. I suggest you to try Clevo service center at (909)5982263 or email them atsupport@goldenstarusa.com first."

I will now try this CLEVO service center as they suggested and will also send Alienware an email asking if they can repair out of warranty 7700s.

Rick
post #15 of 27
best of luck
post #16 of 27
Good luck with alienware. My laptop screen does not turn on and i have called Alienware about it and they told me it will cost $99 dollars for shipping and $80 an hour for a minimum of 2 hours. Grand total of $259 just to look at my laptop. Its an out of warrenty Area 51 and thats what they told me. And since they have the parts on back order I dont have much of a choice but to go with Alienware. Really grinds my gears man.
post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 
All,

As suggested by RJTech I wrote the “Clevo service center at (909)5982263 or email them at support@goldenstarusa.com"

It would appear that :
1. There is an extreme shortages of the CLEVO MoBo D900T used in Area-51 m7700 (I cannot speak for the AMD ver: D900K)
2. There are only three places that repair Alienware Area 51- 7700s (parts are almost impossible to obtain).
a. Alienware itself which I dislike because of all the hoops they make me go through to even send the unit for repair. Also, they are the most expensive and I dislike the idea that I am paying them to keep my system alive when the fault is a bad design to handle the heat.
b. RJTech – good straight talking company which has been highly recommended on this forum. Costing is also fair however they cannot get parts and currently have no ETA of parts arrival
c. This CLEVO service center called GOLDEN STAR COMPUTER for which I have no recommendations. However, it appears that CLEVO (A Taiwan company who makes the MoBo and laptops) has opened service centers in USA (LA), UK and Germany.

I believe I shall try this CLEVO service center (I have few options) after waiting a few days to see if anyone on this forum has first hand knowledge of them. Please respond if you do.

For the Forums interest and knowledge I provide their reply to me along with some info:

Support - LA Service Center <support@goldenstarusa.com>
Dear Customer:

Please fill that RMA request form and email back to us for a RMA # if you want to send it back for repair. We are not sure what cause your system defective. The diagnostic fee is U$ 50 and the labor fee is U$ 120 + parts fee (unknown).

P.S: No refund on all the sales issue and please send the cashier check to us after we provide the total charge here. Please make the title "GOLDEN STAR COMPUTER".

Customer Support
GOLDEN STAR COMPUTER
909-598-2263 phone
909-598-0015 fax

http://www.clevo.com.tw/contact/default.asp
ADD:
659 Brea Canyon Rd, Suites 4 & 5 Walunt, CA91789
TEL:
1-909-598-2263
E-mail:
support@goldenstarusa.com
post #18 of 27
Thread Starter 
Violator0722,

I understand and FEEL your pain about Alienware...this is second time my MoBo screwed up...

"will cost $99 dollars for shipping and $80 an hour for a minimum of 2 hours. Grand total of $259 just to look at my laptop. "
RICK: plus if it is the MoBo it will cost probably another $400 or more... this is the last time for me. I am going to strip it for parts should this Laptop burn up again...I cannot justify doing this every dam year...it's not only the money but the time and effort involved.

Like I said, a desktop is a destop and a laptop is a laptop and they do not have the technology to have both in one lightweight box. I am going to build a super-fast desktop for games, something I can fix myself...or I can at least get the darn parts for it.

I will try this CLEVO place and post the results here. Keep in touch.

Regards,
Rick
post #19 of 27
i feel you pain
but i think they will never put a desktop processor into a laptop anymore
they learn the lesson well
post #20 of 27
Thread Starter 
Omagian,

I think you are right. This had to ive them a bit of a black eye. They are a good company and as far as I know this was the only bad product they ever produced. Like I said ralier, I bought a second computer from them, a Sentia. I like it a lot. No problems and I can see it lasting for years...

Omagian, do you know anything about this CLEVO service center 'GOLDEN STAR COMPUTER'?

Rick
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