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post #1 of 18
4/4/07 at 3:48am
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Ok, so i need a new laptop for uni. it's main use will be gaming and i need a quik explenation regarding the VISTA rating system.

Basically i saw 2 HP laptops both have dedicated RAMs :
1. 7200 Go 300mb + 2gb Ram + AMD Thurion
2. 7600 Go 256mb + 1Gb Ram + Intel Dual Core

both are dedicated. What i want to understand is WHY, the 2nd one had a 4.7 score in Gaming while the first had a 2.5.. the differance is preety big and i want to understand what the trade offs are. i dont plan on buying the 2nd one because i want 2gb ram.. but i need to know so i can make a better decision when i see other laptops.

Thanx in advace

excuse my comp hardware illiteracy.
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post #2 of 18
4/4/07 at 2:02pm
well the Nvidia 7200 is not that good for any intense gaming at all. Its just slightly better than the Intel GMA 950. Its only has 32MB of dedicated onboard vram and 96MB shared RAM for a total of 128MB. When I had my dv2000t it scored 2.7 for Gaming and 2.5 for Aero. When I played games (i.e. W40k, COD2, BF2, etc.) I had to put almost everything on low just to get 30fps. It scored 1450 on 3DMARK05 which is very unimpressive and disappointing. The 7600go is a much more powerful graphics card. It has 256MB of dedicated vram which makes a helluva difference. Here is a site that has a guide for graphics card comparisons:
www.notebookcheck.net
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post #3 of 18
4/4/07 at 2:51pm
The reason why it scored so much differently is because the second card is a MUCH more powerful gpu.

Also, just so you know, you can always add more memory to the second one if you need 2gb. Ram is the absolute last thing that should influence your choice simply because it's so easy and cheap to add more. But you can't do that with a gpu, or not so easily with a cpu and other components.

Good luck to a fellow Romanian
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post #4 of 18
4/4/07 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by MadeInRomania
Ok, so i need a new laptop for uni. it's main use will be gaming

In that case for a laptop the first component is the graphica card, If you want to play somthing like BF2 at high res with all its glory you want a laptop like i have, specs in Sig.

If you want to play Wow, last time i played it any way it didnt need a very powerful graphics card so it depdns, the three choices i see purely from a use not a price point of view is

Dells XPS 1710 for 17" 7900GS/GTX a good DTR, Rockdirects pegauses for 7600 15", or a alienware if you really want Raid hard drives. or equivalent model from other seller.

oh and dont get vista thats obvious if you want top spend alot of time messing about trying to make the PC work go for vista if you want to use the laptop stick with xp for now thats a general rule of thumb never be the first adopters let others do that, my 2 pence on that subject
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post #5 of 18
4/6/07 at 11:18am
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Thanx for replies all. !! one thing that no one touched thou... is there a dif in gaming performance, between the AMD Turion and the intel equivalent ?

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Also, by gaming i mean proper gaming. Supreme COmmander, Oblivion, etc.

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Im Going to order it online but when i customize the models, all have Vista and i can only choose from VISTA version, none lets me select XP... :P what now :P

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XPS and Alienware are kind of out of my budget. will not spend more than 1700$, yes i know power gaming will be a bit gimped by my budget, but hey. we all work with what we have. Right now i have my eyes on some midrange HP pavillion's nvidia 7600, 17'', 2gb ram ... the only deision is AMD or intel :P
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post #6 of 18
4/6/07 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by MadeInRomania
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Thanx for replies all. !! one thing that no one touched thou... is there a dif in gaming performance, between the AMD Turion and the intel equivalent ?

yes there will be a difference, the intel is faster and has better battery life.

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Also, by gaming i mean proper gaming. Supreme COmmander, Oblivion, etc.

you need at very minimum to get the go 7600 or even a 7800/7900. simply put the go7200 will not cut it for real gaming, especially into the future.

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Im Going to order it online but when i customize the models, all have Vista and i can only choose from VISTA version, none lets me select XP... :P what now :P

get vista... im running vista business and there is no issue at all.


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XPS and Alienware are kind of out of my budget. will not spend more than 1700$, yes i know power gaming will be a bit gimped by my budget, but hey. we all work with what we have. Right now i have my eyes on some midrange HP pavillion's nvidia 7600, 17'', 2gb ram ... the only deision is AMD or intel :P

in a 17inch you should not get a video card less than a 7800 or 7900. intel is best, and honestly if you dont have much cash pick up an asus since the prices for them are the cheapest for high performance you can get. i know that they did have a 14inch with a go7700 which is a better card than the 7600 and will give you the most gaming performance for your money. yes the screen is not that big but if you want to game on your budget you need to compromise.
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post #7 of 18
4/6/07 at 1:18pm
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oh and dont get vista thats obvious if you want top spend alot of time messing about trying to make the PC work go for vista if you want to use the laptop stick with xp for now thats a general rule of thumb never be the first adopters let others do that, my 2 pence on that subject


i was on vista within 2 weeks of its introduction... honestly not a single issue with it. far more stable than xp ever was.
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post #8 of 18
4/6/07 at 1:50pm
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w8, w8... there is a diff between a 17" and a 15" running the same gpu ? why?
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post #9 of 18
4/6/07 at 3:46pm
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w8, w8... there is a diff between a 17" and a 15" running the same gpu ? why?
Well each manufacturer has different standards and clocks for their components. So the same card in 2 different computers doesn't necessarily have the same performance because one might be clocked lower than the other. So that's why the same gpu differers across different laptops.
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post #10 of 18
4/6/07 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by MadeInRomania
w8, w8... there is a diff between a 17" and a 15" running the same gpu ? why?


the 17inch is making that GPU push harder because of the extra screen area. its not a huge performance difference but it is some. besides the fact that you are putting a mid range gpu into a machine that should by the general practice of the industry have one of the higher end ones. there is no reaons why a 17inch laptop with the room for the cooling and all should not have a high end gpu.

you would not put a hyundai 4 cylinder engine into a ferrari body would you?
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post #11 of 18
4/6/07 at 5:10pm
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Heh... that was a stupid question. realise that now...

just one last thing : it was said that its ok if i get vista as it works ok... well did u test it out with dx9 games ? the way i understand it is that vista emulates dx9 therefore requiring more power, resulting in sucky framerates... any one actually ahd issues with this ?


nway . thanx for all the posts here guys. made my choices easier to understand.
going to probably go with a HP DV9000T :

Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo T7200 (2.0GHz/4MB L2Cache)
17.0" WSXGA+ BrightView Widescreen (1680x1050)
256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7600
2GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)
120GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
+smaller non essential features
1624$ : )) free shipping , just gna have to cross the border to my friend in US and get it from him after shipping :P

p.s. nice to see romanians helping out too :P
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post #12 of 18
4/6/07 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by MadeInRomania
Heh... that was a stupid question. realise that now...

just one last thing : it was said that its ok if i get vista as it works ok... well did u test it out with dx9 games ? the way i understand it is that vista emulates dx9 therefore requiring more power, resulting in sucky framerates... any one actually ahd issues with this ?

i have played several dx9 games on it with no trouble at all. the thing is that my xps is very powerful and so even if it did take more power i likely would not know. personally i have noticed no drop in performance on any game i have played, even with settings all the way up.


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Originally Posted by MadeInRomania
nway . thanx for all the posts here guys. made my choices easier to understand.
going to probably go with a HP DV9000T :

Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo T7200 (2.0GHz/4MB L2Cache)
17.0" WSXGA+ BrightView Widescreen (1680x1050)
256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7600
2GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)
120GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
+smaller non essential features
1624$ : )) free shipping , just gna have to cross the border to my friend in US and get it from him after shipping :P

p.s. nice to see romanians helping out too :P

i would be careful with that since i am willing to bet you could using epp get a nice 9400 (e1705 for those in the US) from dell with a more powerful video card for that sort of price. still its your choice and your money.
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post #13 of 18
4/7/07 at 12:39am
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:P "epp" ?
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post #14 of 18
4/7/07 at 12:54am
Yeah I don't know what epp means either but I agree with Fidget in that you could get a kickass Dell E1705 with a kickass 7900 GS for less/same price. Look at the Dell Outlet, they have really good deals.
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post #15 of 18
4/7/07 at 12:59am
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well, maybe there will be some saving deals soon, because right now, customizing one through dell.com makes it 1850$ for same config but with a 7900 : )) i get the 7900 is waaay better, but i cant go over 1700$, ofcorse i could choose the ATI card and get it down to 1750$ ... but ATI......
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post #16 of 18
4/7/07 at 3:13am
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Originally Posted by MadeInRomania
:P "epp" ?

its a special discount for educational institutions/government/big business. essentially its available for their employees and stands for "employee purchase plan" it can be combined with other savings for some very good discounts. can be anywhere from 6 to 12% off the regular list price. companies are not really supposed to share them or make them available to the public but go to google and type in "dell epp code" and you will find one. from there visit the special dell epp site (use google again to find it) if you are in the US, use the code and save some good money.
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post #17 of 18
4/10/07 at 8:52am
hello to Romania Never buy laptop that doesn't have better graphics than 7600. 7600 or x1600 is minimum for future
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post #18 of 18
4/10/07 at 8:19pm
http://www.notebookforums.com/thread183936.html

Thread on GPU comparisons...
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