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post #1 of 32
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I think I'm going to be ordering one of two laptops next week, I'm just not sure which one at the moment. I just figured I'd post here and in the HP forum to see if anyone wanted to throw in their two cents about which was the best purchase / bang for the buck. I have never owned a mac, so I suppose it might boil down to what is more preferred.

The two models I'm thinking is the macbook 1.83ghz/2gig and the HP dv2000t 1.83ghz/2gig.

I'm mainly going to use this to code, with an occasional game of WoW. After looking at some other sites (and this one), I found that WoW will play fine with both. I mainly want a small, light laptop that will have a good battery life for coding when away from an outlet, yet play WoW on occasion (only going to play WoW near an outlet). Both have a 1280x800 widescreen display. Both come with a webcame on the top of the display.

The macbook is going to run 1099$ + 135$ (1234$) for the 2gig memory upgrade from newegg. From what I can tell, I'll get 4-5 hours of code time on the battery life from the macbook, which sounds great. The display size is 13.3"

The HP dv2000t is going to run 1220$ and include the 2gig of memory. That price also includes the 12cell battery for a 4-6 hour charge according to the sites I've read. This has a 14.1" display, and includes the Nvidia 7200go video card (shared memory), which might be better then the macbook.

Anywho, those are the two options I'm looking at. Any thoughts about which might prove to be the best in the end? Both seem like they would work well for what I want. I'll probably install xp if I get the dv2000t model. For coding, I use free text editors, so I would probably just install open office to have some sort of office suite ... I believe open office is available for mac as well as pc.
post #2 of 32
It's amazing people usually post in the Apple forum if they're trying to decide this often thought question- IMO if you post here; it is your subconscious telling you to get a mac lol
not sure about the whole open office thing... but the macbook would probably be better for portability... but of-course it's down to your personal choice; if you can go to a computer store and try one out for a bit... just see if you like how it works...
post #3 of 32
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Thanks for reply. Yea, I wasn't trying to start a mac/pc war or anything. It was just one of those things where I was at the pc reading reviews of both, and figured I'd throw up a quick post just writing about my two choices. They are both pretty similar in spec's, so I figured it would just come down to personal choice next week over mac/pc.

I actually haven't used osX that much at all, but from what I've used a friends macbook, i'm quite impressed. We had it running for around 5 hours once, surfing the net and playing various games like the chess that comes packaged with it, and it was all running off the battery. That is what drew me to the mac at first, plus it seemed to never get hot. Sure, we weren't running it like crazy, but it just seemed like a great portable laptop that you could actually use on your lap. It just seemed like a real sturdy design and a good size for taking places.
post #4 of 32
I 2nd the Macbook. If you have an Apple store near you got it, they'll have Mac Pro's, iMac's, MBP's, and Macbook's. Whenever I go to the Apple store I just like to go on the internet and do stuff that I'd do if I had a macbook. I know they don't have WoW or the right software to write code on the Macbook at the store but if you like to watch movies, go and watch some trailers off of Quicktime, do stuff that you'd do. Is it comfortable? Is it portable? Ask some questions. By my expierence, yes to both of them.
Go with the Macbook, you won't be dissapointed.
post #5 of 32
I had the exact same decision about a month ago. I was looking at the same dv2000t and the macbook. In the end it came down to battery life. the dv2000t gets 2.5 hours with all wireless shut off and the screen turned all the way down without doing anything processor or hard drive intensive. a little less than 2 hours with wireless turned on and the screen above half brightness doing typical things(web surfing, while chatting and doing a word document). The macbook gets about 4.5 hours with all wireless shut off and the screen turned down to about halfway without doing anything processor or hard drive intensive. During typical websurfing/chatting/word processing situations it with the screen brightness nearly at maximum and wirles turned on, it gets about 3.5-3.75 hours.

That was the deciding factor. Under 2 hours of battery life just doesn't cut it. It makes having a "portable" computer unportable no matter how small or light it is if it only lasts for under 2 hours during typical usage. If you get the larger battery it lasts double, but the larger battery also defeats the purpose of getting a light, small notebook.(plus the battery doesn't go completely across the back of the laptop making it very difficult to balance on your lap). So i got the macbook. The black one with the 2.0ghz core2duo and 1gb of ram. I will be upgrading the ram when i can afford it

I am a digital photography student and use it often with photoshop cs3 beta. With photoshop cs3 running with several layers and wirless on, web surfing, IM'ing and the screen at maximum brightness i get about 3 hours of usage. sometimes more. When i'm just doing schoolwork and various other things i get about 3.5-4. I"m very happy wiht it. It only took me a week to adjust to mac osx.

If you do get a mac, some programs you should get are:
neo office: a great version of open office for mac

toast: good c burning program like nero for mac

transmission: if you use torrents

adium: if you want a more robust IM client than iChat. however it does use more battery power than the highly efficient iChat. I use ichat when unplugged and adium when plugged in.

as for browsers, i really do suggest opera when unplugged. It uses a noticeably less power than firefox(and safari just doesn't render alot of pages correctly. this websight included)

Well thats my opinion. Good luck
post #6 of 32
also with portability. If you do have to bring the power adapter with you, the macbook power adapter is the most portable adapter i have every seen. Its exctremely light and small. 2 hinges on it reveal 2 hooks that can be used to wrap up the wire and lock it into place. Then when you unpack it, you can just fold the hooks back into the adapter.

(as you can see, i'm very happy i chose the macbook. especially when it comes to portability)
post #7 of 32
Mac

(...duh!)
post #8 of 32
Thread Starter 
Ahh, thanks for the reply k2snowboards88. I actually posted this in the Mac and HP sections in hopes that I might get lucky and find someone to comment about their recent purchase and hoped they were comparing two similar laptops.

If I went with the dv2000t model, I was planning on getting the larger battery. I had read a few posts dealing with broken hooks to hold the larger battery on, which would definitly be a pain. Also, I didn't realize it did not go all the way across.

How is the macbooks lcd as far as viewing it from different angles? Do you find the colors or view gets distorted when not viewing it straight on? I can't remember for sure, but that is about the only thing I recall thinking was bad about the macbook when I used it. I could be confusing it though with something else ... I've read to many laptop reviews lately. hehe
post #9 of 32
as far as the screen goes, it does fade quicker than the dv2000 from left to right. But unless you have more than 2 people looking at it, then it wont matter. Up and down is bad, but so is the dv2000 and every other laptop i've seen.

But yeah, the battery does not go all the way across the back. So if you have the extended battery in, and it is on you lap, the battery will only be on one leg so you either have a crooked laptop or you balance it with you hand.
post #10 of 32
hey skeletor im in the same situation as you. I'll be mostly doing coding as well and i was really leaning towards the macbook. So yea i guess keep it posted cause im curious as to what you choose.
post #11 of 32
the only thing im worried about is the compatibility with my desktop with documents and such
post #12 of 32
Unless your documents are in some proprietary format for software not available on OS X you're fine.

And it's very easy to network Macs and PCs.
post #13 of 32
I think that the biggest stumbling block that I have come across when it comes to my switch to the mac was in networking PCs and Macs. Yea there are plenty of settings one can use to enable Windows Sharing and what not, but what I miss the most from Windows has got to be te ability to select any folder on my hard drive, and share it. As it is right now, I am having trouble figuring out how to share files on my external hard drive so that my roommate can get to them. Not to threadjack, but this may be information useful to the OP as well.

Coding on the mac is a wonderful thing. Eclipse, JGrasp, XCode, whatever your choice, it works well. I would actually recommend against JGrasp since the default text size is huge, and it never seems to remember settigns, so every time I run it, I have to reset the text size. XCode is a little hardcore if all you are doing is simple java and C++ programs, but certainly capable. I think that Eclipse is an excellent choice if you are doing simple things, and seems like it would scale well to very large project.
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by k2snowboards88
as far as the screen goes, it does fade quicker than the dv2000 from left to right. But unless you have more than 2 people looking at it, then it wont matter. Up and down is bad, but so is the dv2000 and every other laptop i've seen.

But yeah, the battery does not go all the way across the back. So if you have the extended battery in, and it is on you lap, the battery will only be on one leg so you either have a crooked laptop or you balance it with you hand.

OP: for this reason, get a mac. you won't know how refreshing it is to work with a system where you don't have to compensate for it's deficiencies. whether it's the OS or industrial design you'll have a chance to see what it's like when the computer does not get in the way of computing. :-)
post #15 of 32
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I think I'm definitely leaning towards the macbook at this point. I got to play with the HP dv2000t at Staples last night. The battery was missing, so I didn't get to see how awkward it would be, but with the slot not extending across the bottom I could see how the 12cell battery could cause balancing issues like what was mentioned.

Also, I think the 14.1" screen of the dv2000t is a bit bigger then what I wanted. I didn't think it would be, but when sitting it side-by-side with the 15.4" model it wasn't that much smaller (at least for what I want it for). The screen of the HP seemed like it was nice quality, but the touchpad buttons were a little odd. You had to press them in pretty far...just had a real different feel then a mouse or most laptop touchpads.

HP came across like it was pushing for their quick bootup into music/dvd mode, but when I tried it at the store there wasn't anything quick about it. It might have been a garbage install, or it might be just a gimmick, either way it didn't seem that great as a "bonus feature".

Thanks for all the replies. I'll most likely pick up the 512meg macbook next weekend, and then order 2gig memory off of newegg. From the net, it seems like it's very simple to pop in the extra ram.
post #16 of 32
the cheapest route usually is the apple refurbished stuff. 2nd to that on a stock system go with amazon. :-)
post #17 of 32
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Well, after reading far to many reviews/articles I finally ordered the beast. I picked it up off of amazon.com since they have a mail in rebate of ~75$. I said screw it and ordered next day shipping for the extra 3$, so it should arrive tomorrow according to what their site said.

I ended up just ordering the stock white 1.83ghz, 512meg macbook. I'm thinking I'll use this for now, and if I find it runs a little slow I'll throw in 2gig ram from newegg.com. I imagine it won't really be a problem until I decide to fire up World of Warcraft for the first time.

Thanks for the posts - aid in deciding.
post #18 of 32
i have 2 2ghz macbook, and have to say, it is no slouch in the battery department. i get around 3 and a half hours with full brightness and wifi on the whole time... turn wifi off and the brightness to half... i am sure i could get an extra hr out of it. i had a debate between a sony umpc and a macbook, and i couldn't be happier... its probably the best comp i have ever used. You will be happy with it, and as far as gaming goes, the intel GMA 950 really isn't that bad, i play albatross 18 (free golfing game) in windows via bootcamp, and it runs great.. WoW wont give you a problem, and other games will run good too (i almost had a heart attack when i found out UT2004 runs acceptably on it as well)
post #19 of 32
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Originally Posted by Skeletor
Well, after reading far to many reviews/articles I finally ordered the beast. I picked it up off of amazon.com since they have a mail in rebate of ~75$. I said screw it and ordered next day shipping for the extra 3$, so it should arrive tomorrow according to what their site said.

I ended up just ordering the stock white 1.83ghz, 512meg macbook. I'm thinking I'll use this for now, and if I find it runs a little slow I'll throw in 2gig ram from newegg.com. I imagine it won't really be a problem until I decide to fire up World of Warcraft for the first time.

Thanks for the posts - aid in deciding.

congrats!!! i got my iBook through amazon and had no problem in getting the rebate in short order. now they do it online i believe, so it should only be quicker.
post #20 of 32
Thread Starter 
Yay, my macbook arrived today.

Booo ... my battery is no good, doesn't hold a charge at all. They are sending me another battery. (or the laptop is broke which means I'll have to send that back after I get the new battery)

I find it ironic that I buy this laptop because of the extended battery life, just to get my "new macbook" and have the battery be no good. Oh, the joy of great initial impressions of my fancy new macbook.
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