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Solid State HardDrives,yes?

post #1 of 17
4/17/07 at 5:32pm
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Are these available yet? I cant find any resaler.
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post #2 of 17
4/17/07 at 11:55pm
There kind of expensive I know you can find some on ebay but ther eprobably low grade and low speed.
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post #3 of 17
4/18/07 at 12:44am
I was thinking hybrid hard-drives was what you meant.

I thought with the advent of Vista, which takes advantage of hybrids, we would have seen numerous drives released or at least announced but I guess nothing has shown up yet. Still hoping to see them in 07.
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post #4 of 17
4/18/07 at 12:55am
it been alot of talk about it, but no one have it delivery or make available for the consumer market... it will be a while before we even see a mass market for it
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post #5 of 17
4/18/07 at 5:19am
http://www.dvnation.com/ssd.html
this site's been around for awhile and seems to be selling them, although the prices seem higher than all the talk i've been seeing about a lot of manufacturers starting to put them out (despite not really releasing any of them yet).
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post #6 of 17
4/18/07 at 9:29pm
I think newegg has a Solid state drive available. But it's $500+
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post #7 of 17
4/19/07 at 1:11am
they are not currently worth the price imho... I wonder how they handle ESD..
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post #8 of 17
4/19/07 at 6:56am
NTFS performance has been horrid on every type of flashcard, usb stick, etc. I have ever tried. I wonder how it will be on these... Maybe it's because USB drives and flash cards have no cache? I don't know.....
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post #9 of 17
4/19/07 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by Veazer
NTFS performance has been horrid on every type of flashcard, usb stick, etc. I have ever tried. I wonder how it will be on these... Maybe it's because USB drives and flash cards have no cache? I don't know.....
USB is a lot slower then solid stat disk we are talking about......
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post #10 of 17
4/20/07 at 2:08am
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Originally Posted by xccess21
USB is a lot slower then solid stat disk we are talking about......

I'm not talking about a limitation due to USB though, i'm talking about drastic performance difference for FAT32 vs NTFS on a flash drive. The flash memory devices I've tried have NTFS write rates of 50% or less than when they are formatted FAT32. Try it with your own and see what your results are.
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post #11 of 17
4/20/07 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by SolApathy
they are not currently worth the price imho... I wonder how they handle ESD..

If my 256MB Sandisk Cruzer is any indication, the drives could survive a trip through the washing machine (my 256 drive survived it twice)...though I never did put it in the dryer, where you might encounter some ESD.
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post #12 of 17
4/20/07 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by MrEvil
If my 256MB Sandisk Cruzer is any indication, the drives could survive a trip through the washing machine (my 256 drive survived it twice)...though I never did put it in the dryer, where you might encounter some ESD.



Thank god I'm not the only one who leaves things in my pockets!
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post #13 of 17
4/20/07 at 12:01pm
Well solid state seek times are incredible. I'd like to see a benchmark of these SSD hard drives in real use, like in a game
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post #14 of 17
4/20/07 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by Veazer
Maybe it's because USB drives and flash cards have no cache? I don't know.....
Interesting remark. You are right, by default USB Flash drives do not use write caching (which has the advantage that you can just unplug them any time, without going through the "safely remove" dialog first), but I think you can enable that manually in Device Manager. You could check if/how much that helps performance.
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post #15 of 17
4/21/07 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by Pirx
Interesting remark. You are right, by default USB Flash drives do not use write caching (which has the advantage that you can just unplug them any time, without going through the "safely remove" dialog first), but I think you can enable that manually in Device Manager. You could check if/how much that helps performance.

Actually I was referring to the cache memory on on the drive itself. I've enabled write caching already since that's the only way windows will give NTFS as a formatting option, but it doesn't do anything to help write performance unfortunately (at least that i can notice). I've heard a few comments on other forums as to why NTFS is slow on flash drives but it doesn't make sense to me. I've heard many people say it's because of the journaling on NTFS, but it seems to me that a solid-state drive that doesn't need to swing a drive head back and forth between the data and mft or journal would perform better than a hard disk. Besides, the change journal is disabled by default for usb drives...
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post #16 of 17
4/21/07 at 6:44pm
The only reason you need NTFS on a flash drive is if it's a high capacity drive and you're trying to put a single file on it that's greater than 4GB in size (like a DVD ISO for instance). NTFS supports very large single file sizes. Otherwise there's nothing wrong with FAT32 really.

Also Veazer, I reckon your speed problem was more related to the bus the drive was on rather than the fact it was flash memory. The SSD drives at newegg work on the ATA 6 bus (no SATA yet).
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post #17 of 17
4/22/07 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by MrEvil
The only reason you need NTFS on a flash drive is if it's a high capacity drive and you're trying to put a single file on it that's greater than 4GB in size (like a DVD ISO for instance). NTFS supports very large single file sizes. Otherwise there's nothing wrong with FAT32 really.

Also Veazer, I reckon your speed problem was more related to the bus the drive was on rather than the fact it was flash memory. The SSD drives at newegg work on the ATA 6 bus (no SATA yet).

actually I use NTFS because my gf uses the drive in net cafes a lot and most of the net cafes here are virus ridden (i live in thailand). With NTFS i can change ownership & permissions so the only a single shared folder is writable. Previous to the NTFS trick she had files erased routinely by scripts on the cafe PCs and she nearly always had some autorun.inf virus, usually the "hacked by godzilla" virus, installed in the drive. So far no script or virus has been written well enough to change ownership of the files or folders. It's obviously not foolproof for that precise reason but it still saves a lot of hassle at the moment until some virus writer takes that into consideration. A drive with a write-lock would avoid these hassle, but I don't have one.

As for speed, it's not the bus on the drive or fat32 performance would be bad too, yes? NTFS is literally half as fast, if not worse, on the same flash drive when it comes to writes. That's with the change journal and last access disabled.
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