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post #21 of 111
5/1/07 at 1:38am
the 8600 i have to say is a major disappointment. I am at aw as to what Nvidia was thinking with the specs and how much lower performance it is from the 8800. Now its possible a new XPS laptop would come out with Santa Rosa but still be fitted with a 7950 gtx and later, when a 8800 or 8900 laptop variant comes availble for upgrade down the road
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post #22 of 111
5/1/07 at 1:47am
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Originally Posted by megaphat
Well... benchmarks from zeptoforums show the 8600M GT to be around 3/4 as fast as the 7800go gtx. Which means that the graphics improvements are at least 50% (over 7700go) and probably higher for the higher end models. So far they certainly do compare, although I would have liked a greater then 50% improvement. Anyway, DX10 is only one (albeit large) new feature. Santa Rosa will probably be just as important, offering a whole list of improvements (which I mentioned before). .
M8600 GT 3DMark05 (1024x768px) = 6029 Punkte (my card-11,000) 3DMark06 (1024x768px) = 3833 Punkte (my card 6,221) Those scores are not even on par with the 6800 Ultra. Not exactly what I would call impressive for a card that is 2 Generations ahead of the 6800. THis thread was about DX10 cards & thier performance, not the performance of SA. However as I have said before, those that are looking for a mid-grade laptop SHOULD upgrade to SA, those looking for a high performance laptop should not.
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DX10 will still probably only be available under vista, DX10 games will include DX9 modes for a looong time to come, which allows games to be compatible with Vista (DX10/9) and XP(DX9) at the same time. The reason microsoft only includes DX10 with vista is to try to force gamers (who want the visual/graphics improvements) to upgrade. It would unlikely for microsoft to backtrack on this. .
As I also mentioned earlier, with the release of DX 9.0L (DX 10 for XP). Games will not be optimized for DX10 until at least the first DX10 SP is released, as with any major update. Microdoft is not going to leave XP user high & dry. Although they initially stated they were doing just that, the backlash from that statement has made them take pause & re-evaluate forcing users to upgrade to Vista.
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The improvements in DX10 graphics cards aren't *just* for DX10 - DX9 games will run much much faster as well. The benchmarks at zeptoforums (which show as much as a 50% improvement) are all DX9. Your not going to have to use DX10/vista to see an increase in speed.
Well I will wait unti lI see a review in english that shows that.
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Anyway If you buy a new Dell before an update, your going to be stuck with slower ram, a slower fsb, a lower clock speed and a more power hungry processor then if you had waited for a Santa Rosa inclusive update..
I notice you don't say anything about the video card in this statement. Considering the video card is one of the most important aspects of the performance gaming machine I take serious interest in the fact that you left that out. I doubt the initial "next gen" SA mobile systems are going to be able to touch my system, even with increased FSB.
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post #23 of 111
5/1/07 at 10:01am
well the most important thing in santa rosa xps 17'' gaming laptop will be 7950gtx and possibility of upgrade to 8800,8900gtx ,... any other thinking is not logical,..
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post #24 of 111
5/2/07 at 12:00pm
I have one thing clear: we won't see a vcard upgrade in the 17in form factor from DELL until a 8800/8900 appears.

Now, I wonder... Will we see a 15.4in laptop with the 8600 from DELL?
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post #25 of 111
5/2/07 at 12:19pm
well don't be so sure Kainco. I am pretty sure that 8800 will have the same design as 8600 so i am optimist.
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post #26 of 111
5/2/07 at 12:27pm
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well I don;t think you will be seeing an 8600 card in an M1710, that would just be silly. (I believe I've said that before)
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post #27 of 111
5/2/07 at 12:35pm
of course, new dell m1710s will have santa rosa with design for 7950gtx and dx10 8600 compactible and with that probably 8800 and 8900 compactible(dx10 gpus will have same designs).
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post #28 of 111
5/2/07 at 5:21pm
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well don't be so sure Kainco. I am pretty sure that 8800 will have the same design as 8600 so i am optimist.
This indirectly implies that the 7900 has the same form factor as a 7600, something I am unsure of but seriously doubt...If anyone has any other info to tell me I'm all ears, I'll even accept a heatsink mod...
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post #29 of 111
5/2/07 at 5:30pm
In fact, it is possible to put a mid end card in a 17in form factor, however I don't see it reasonable because the 17in XPS is well known for being a great gaming machine, the highest performance laptop from DELL and the 8600 works as fast as the 6800Ultra, a very old flagship.

The 8600 is a good card for:

1. An entertaiment oriented laptop due to video processing capabilities it has.
2. A mid sized laptop 15.4in, maybe 14in

But IT IS NOT for a flagship/top of the line laptop.

Inside DELL I see it in the E1505/E1705 but not the XPS.
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post #30 of 111
5/2/07 at 5:44pm
Urr...supposedly the 8600 is worse than the 7600 and the 7600 isnt even as good as a 6800go vanilla
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post #31 of 111
5/2/07 at 6:01pm
ultra
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post #32 of 111
5/2/07 at 8:57pm
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...No...Vanilla beats out the 8600... We are talking about DESKTOP comparisons. The Go Vanilla barely falls behind the 8600 in 3DMark05 benchmarks, but in real life performance it gets better FPS than the 8600.


On a second note, it is unlikely all the 8XXX series are going to be the same form factor.
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post #33 of 111
5/3/07 at 7:38am
wow cool I hope they will do some 8600 ultra for laptops..
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post #34 of 111
5/4/07 at 4:51pm
These new cards really suck, they get higher 3DMarks but in games they fall behind previous generation cards.

Honestly I don't believe the form factor will be tha same because power consumption of a beast like the 8800 will be much higher than a mid (low) end 8600.
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post #35 of 111
5/11/07 at 8:43am
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ouch...
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/noteboo...10298-3,00.htm

Crave's test results
We can't tell you how good Intel's X3100 chip is, since we don't have one. Our Santa Rosa sample uses an Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT with 512MB of RAM, which by our reckoning is a faster solution. We tested it with 3DMark 2006 and it achieved 3,668, which is excellent for a laptop that isn't designed to be a gaming machine. It helped F.E.A.R. run along at 29fps at a resolution of 1,024 x 768 pixels, with all the settings cranked to maximum, and 4x FSAA and 8x AF enabled. <!------- topnav ------>

43% slower than my 7950GTX... Not exactly reassuring numbers
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post #36 of 111
5/11/07 at 9:49am
its not bad at all if 8600m GT has 3600 marks, than 8800 will gave at least 6000 non overclocked.
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post #37 of 111
5/11/07 at 12:48pm
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Not likely at all. Where do you come up with 6000 based on that score? The go 7600 scores 3400 on 06. A stock 7950 pulls around 5,200. If you read the entire article that was posted at the beginning of this thread the real life performance of the 8600 cards you would see it shows terrible performance against the 7600 Desktop cards. If you make an analysis based on the desktop comparison & compare it to the mobile performance as I posted above you woud not be smiling.
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post #38 of 111
5/11/07 at 1:40pm
how many DX10 games are there yet ? i onyl know of crysis and i am still playing farcry. and would any of them run on a 8600.
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post #39 of 111
5/11/07 at 1:43pm
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on the 8600 cards I imagine you would have to turn off all of the eye candy & lower the settings considerably to play it. Crysis will play on DX9, infact there is a alpha video of it on the net & it looks pretty good. I can only imagine it's potential once it's released.
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post #40 of 111
5/11/07 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by SolApathy
ouch... http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/noteboo...10298-3,00.htm Crave's test results We can't tell you how good Intel's X3100 chip is, since we don't have one. Our Santa Rosa sample uses an Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT with 512MB of RAM, which by our reckoning is a faster solution. We tested it with 3DMark 2006 and it achieved 3,668, which is excellent for a laptop that isn't designed to be a gaming machine. It helped F.E.A.R. run along at 29fps at a resolution of 1,024 x 768 pixels, with all the settings cranked to maximum, and 4x FSAA and 8x AF enabled. <!------- topnav ------> 43% slower than my 7950GTX... Not exactly reassuring numbers
Mmmmm, certainly not bad, but I wonder the impact of AA anf AF since the memory has a 128 bit bus. Also it would be interesting to see how much does it overclock.
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