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Failed BIOS Flash on M1710 pls help

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hi,

due to a bug in nibitor 3.4a i have flashed a video bios with wrong checksum. (I saw the bios with a green light, but after reopening it was yellow).

Now the system doesn't boot anymore. Completely.

The bios scans hd, cd rom and then remains stuck indefinitely. No blind flash. No boot from CD ROM or hd.

I have a friend which can lend me its m1710 with the exact same hardware.

It is possible to boot with the working videocard, boot to dos, launch nvflash, hotswap video card and flash?

If i buy a ddock with a pci slot and find a pci low profile video card, can i boot using the pci card and then flash back mine?

Thanks
post #2 of 20
What bios are we talking about here? GPU?
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 
Gpu
post #4 of 20
Have you tried reflashing it to stock?
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
I can't boot. Disk and CDROM stop activity in 1-2 seconds after i press the power button.
post #6 of 20
Oh man. I couldn't help you then. I hope you have complete care and it covers.. good luck.
post #7 of 20
if that's your GPU you can do a blind flash , there are guides out there , try google for it , I would have done it for you if my wife wasn't yelling me to leave the lappy
post #8 of 20
post #9 of 20
I think he said he can't even get to the boot (F12)screen. Not sure if system isn't booting at all, or just screen is out because of wrong flash.
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
I think it is not finishing the POST at all. The fans doesn't even start, and i have no backlight.
I have read that post but without fans the notebook gets very hot in 10 minutes, so leaving it overnight will break it if the overheating prevention of the cpu and gpu doesn't work.
Maybe i can try putting some fans behind or below the note and force push some cold air inside...
I have access to an identical note with the same hardware, there isn't some kind of hot swapping i can try?
If i take a d/dock (docking station) and put inside a pci video card, do i have some chances?

Thanks for the help
post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
If i check the dvd reader activity after 10 sec of flashing lit it just idle for 15 minutes at least, no numlock light
post #12 of 20
So your LCD doesn't even turn on correct? If you leave it on, does it sound like it starts window at all?

If LCD doesn't turn on at all, your ok. It means you just flashed wrong bios to your card. You just have to follow thread called "blind flashing and you" to flash to correct version.
post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 
It idles indefinitely (no light activity of sort) after 10 sec and doesnt make any sound. Even the fans doesnt start. Now i have put a big radial fan under it and i am pushing cold air inside. I put inside a blind flash cd and i will leave it until evening (14 hours)
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
Yes LCD doesnt turn on
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks to everyone.
post #16 of 20
So I guess it was just wrong bios you flashed right? Nothing wrong with the laptop other than that, which can be fixed by flashing correct bios.

It's expensive hardware you are messing around with, I know it's long thread to read, but you really should start reading the whole thread, and any threads that will help you understand better. Good luck.
post #17 of 20
Wow...I just wrote a pretty lengthy post explaining all the tricks you could use to find out whether your card was salvagable or not but I was automatically logged out for inactivity...I'm just spent now. If you can wait until tomorrow, I will tell you all you can do. As I said in the post though, as soon as I get the time and get back to cable it will receive a vast upgrade.
post #18 of 20
I would have responded sooner but I have been forced back home with dialup for awhile and am resting up after a fun-filled exam week. Anyway, there are a number of tricks that will allow you to flash or know whether your card is flashable. I am a minimalist, so we will do both of these in the same step. Hopefully, I’ll write this up good enough that I can just transfer parts of this up to my guide. First I’ll answer some of your questions.

I would not recommend buying a pci gpu. It will not make your card any more flashable and it will only help if the bios is messing up (i.e. giving onscreen prompts for you to reply to but since you have no screen you cannot see the prompts). I have never seen a case of my gen2 bios doing something like this, but the bios does behave rather erratically with a corrupt eeprom.
Also, from doing all this stuff without nibitor before (i.e. editing in hex and making your own checksum), I’ve never seen a case of nvflash letting you flash a bios with an incorrect checksum, but I’ll take your word for it.
As for your system fans not starting, this could be because your bios is not even starting, an issue I will address later. Just beware that I purchased a broken card that caused the bios to boot only 25-40% of the time and the card ended up not being flashable.
You cannot hotswap the gpu’s but you likely won’t get hurt trying (don’t try this at home).
Anyway, Buckle up.

I highly recommend you use the flash drive. They are very cheap and here is a link to some of them: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...nd&Order=PRICE . Some of my steps assume you use a flash drive such as mentioning the autoexec.bat instead of the autorun.bat. Also I mention deleting the autoexec after running your commands but if you use a cd then it is not writable in DOS.
First step first…Unplug your HD and remove all bootable media from your devices except the device you wish to boot to (i.e. remove cd from the dvd drive if you are planning on using the flash drive)

Your system is a M1710 and has bios customizable led’s which is perfect
This step requires you have access to another gpu unless you are super leet or already have your computer setup this way.
Go into the bios and set the system led’s to turn on upon bootup. This option is under “Onboard Devices” in my bios. Set the led’s to your favorite color
Make sure that whichever operating system you use by default, it either doesn’t have any fan control software (i.e. quickset) or it isn’t setup to automatically log in on bootup (i.e. your user account has a password). This last step isn’t really necessary but its convenient to know that your led settings will not be overridden upon bootup of the OS so you could walk away and come back and still know that the system was booted.
How is this helpful you ask? Well the system leds turn on when the bios is started and sometimes with a corrupt gpu, the bios will not start on every boot. The numlock led will turn on only after the system leds and can take up to 1.5 hr to turn on (mainly if you have flashed a bios that uses a different core than your original gpu).
The system led indicates when the bios is started and the numlock led indicates when a device is being booted (i.e. hard drive, flash drive, etc)
I have noticed on my system, that if the system leds don’t turn on within about 45 seconds of booting the system, they just aren’t gonna turn on and hence the system isn’t going to boot. If this happens, just perform a hard reboot and try again.
Once the system leds come on, just chill and wait for the numlock led to turn on.
When the numlock turns on, its only a matter of time before your media is booted and your autoexec is run.

Since you cannot see your screen, you are going to have to pipe the output of the commands. This simply redirects the output that would be shown on the screen to somewhere else, in our case a file. Therefore, your autoexec should look like this:

nvflash --list > output1.txt
nvflash -c > output2.txt
nvflash -r > output3.txt
nvflash -4 -5 -6 -A -y [bios].rom > output4.txt

These commands generate an output[1-4].txt that will allow you to know what’s happening without physically seeing the screen.
The first command is perhaps the most important. It lets you know whether nvflash recognizes your gpu as nvidia.
The second command checks for compatibility of your eeprom with the particular version of nvflash. Hence, the program may recognize your card as nvidia but still may not be able to tamper with it for sake of compatibility.
The third command will attempt to remove write protect from the card just in case it’s on for some reason.
The fourth command will attempt to force-auto flash and reboot the computer.

Note: If the fourth command did work, the computer would reboot and do everything over and over until you stopped it but in that case you’d have a fixed graphics card and what is there to worry about? Again though, this process should take you about 2-3 min unless you flashed a bios with a different core, in which case, I believe the bios starts instantaneously and you just have to wait for the numlock for about an hour and another 30 min to boot the device.

If any of the commands give an error, the output file will only show the version of nvflash used and nothing else. Anyway, report back here with your file outputs and I can try to assist you.
post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks, zzpulp.
The led comes up at each boot in 3 secondes, but fans never. I have already tried to force cool air inside and wait for some hours (an entire night) but numlock never comes up and no boot happens.
I have tried with CDs, USB media... leaving only one of them connected at the same time.

However i have already called dell and asked them to repair my video card (out of warranty). I have shipped the card to their lab and i am waiting for an estimate of the price of the repair.

nvflash flashed the bios only asking me if i want to flash (nvflash bios.rom) as usual

The corrupted bios results from this sequence:

Nibitor Open BIos
Nibitor Edit Bios
Nibitor Save BIos
Nibito Edit Bios
Nibitor Save BIos
Nibitor Edit Bios
Nibitor Save Bios
Result= Corrupted BIOS

Nibitor showed a green light (not corrupted) but it was corrupted. When i closed nibitor and reopened it the bios was reported as corrupted.

The bios was of the same card and revision, but many bytes at the end (way more than the signature) was changed. Usually two bytes changes when the signature changes, but in this case at least 100 bytes are different.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/885/badbiosvx2.png (the one on the left is corrupted)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9693/badbios2dw1.png (good bioses)

Thanks anyway
post #20 of 20
Sry, just saw your response. Hmm, I guess my gen2 bios just reacts differently than yours...
Anyway, unless dell knows where the subvendor pin is to ground it, I doubt they'd be fixing it...
Nvidia doesnt exactly provide you with datasheets on the chips they use
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