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post #21 of 44
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Originally Posted by ~88
Teegunn ... is there no "backup" software that came w/your DVD+ unit? I believe you mentioned you burned quite a few DVDs already. If you can't find a backup command in the software - can't you just drag and drop the desired folders to your DVD drive, and burn it?
Yeah, I am going to try that, but I don't understand why the "backup wizard" can only save to floppy? You would think burning to DVD would be much better than floppy anyway. It will let me save my settings to DVD, but that isn't what I am worried about as I want all my setting and FILES backed up. So I suppose I will just "drag to disc" anyway. Thanks for the advice ~88! I really hope this works cuz I really like this rig!
post #22 of 44
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Originally Posted by Bjorn
One last thing to try, your laptop came with restore CDs (HP's I've seen always come with this rather then OS cds).
Restore the laptop to factory default (after backing up your work to CD/DVD) and see if the problem persists. This is not a "clean" install since all the garbage OEMs love to install with the OS will be dumped back on the system, but it is a fairly clean install since it will format your HD and it will be configured just as they had it when it shipped to you.
Thanks Bjorn - I might as well try that first before doing an entire "clean install". BTW, there really was very little "junk" on this when it arrived. Thanks for the input again!
post #23 of 44
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Originally Posted by Smyttie
I hate to suggest this, but could it be that those applications were compiled with some optimizations that make them incompatible with Pentium-M systems? Do you have access to another P-M system that you can try them out on?

^^^ I don't have any access to another PM rig. But I really doubt the PM has anything to do with the problem, although I don't know that for sure. This seems to be a problem that no one else here has had as far as I know with an nc8000. My best guess is that there is something physically wrong internally with the ATI 9600 card, but I might as well try all available options before I decide to ship this lappy back. I really doubt that I can get anything else with dual batts, a PM drive, an ATI 9600/128 and this kind of build quality. In fact I am almost positive no one else makes a rig with these specs. The dual batts is real nice and is very hard to duplicate.
post #24 of 44
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O.K. - I have FINALLY decided to unistall widows XP. Do I need to go into "add or remove programs" and do it that way? Shouldn't I unistall everything else first and then unistall Windows XP? Help please because I want to get this done yet tonight! If this is not the correct way of doing a clean install please tell me what is. BTW, HP did not send "system restore" cd's but the actual Windows XP OS as far as I can tell. One of the OS cd's is called "Windows XP Home SP1" and the other is called "Windows XP Professional SP1a". They also sent 2 "driver recovery" cd's. Are these all that I would need to *reinstall* XP Pro and all necessary drivers?
post #25 of 44
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One last thing, but very important>>>> Will doing a clean install mess with my factory warranty? If so then I won't bother.
post #26 of 44
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O.K., my 6th post in a row on my own thread..... anyway, it is getting to late for my to start *experimenting* on the clean install tonight. I am going to wait till tommorrow and hope that I get some good advice over the next 12 hours or so. This seems like something that could really screw up a $3000 rig and I want to have my hand held by the real experts on how to do this clean install correctly. So, until tommorrow everyone, and I hope to have some good advice posted on this thread by then! Thanx.
post #27 of 44
Reinstalling will take a short period of time but its actually the setup that takes a long time. Programs, drivers, options, etc... You can't really uninstall an OS but you can reinstall on top of the old OS which is a clean installation. I am a little confused about your OS Cd's are they the ones that are actually for a new computer OEMs? HP recovery disk are totally different from OEM OS Cd's, the recovery disk have all the programs loaded on them and while doing a re installation the recovery disk will reinstall all the programs that came with the notebook. Doing a reinstalling should not void the warranty since you are using what HP provided you with. Just follow the instructions Windows provides you with and you should have no problems. Once your done with the installation reinstall all the drivers and go to Windows Update and update all the critical things.
post #28 of 44
I actually have experience with this. I purchased a Compaq computer (look at signature) and the computer came with a hard drive that had two partitions. One partition was used as a system recovery and the other was what I had left to use. I hated what Compaq did and question why they didn't just package their computers with system recovery Cd's. Maybe they wanted to save cost and time I would believe. So what I did is load up fdisk in DOS, deleted all the partitions and made my own and installed a clean version of Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition OEM (purchased from eBay). OEM can be said as the cleans installation of a OS you can get it to be. I always hated system recovery provided by those companies.
post #29 of 44
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Originally Posted by Teegunn
O.K. - I have FINALLY decided to unistall widows XP. Do I need to go into "add or remove programs" and do it that way? Shouldn't I unistall everything else first and then unistall Windows XP? Help please because I want to get this done yet tonight! If this is not the correct way of doing a clean install please tell me what is. BTW, HP did not send "system restore" cd's but the actual Windows XP OS as far as I can tell. One of the OS cd's is called "Windows XP Home SP1" and the other is called "Windows XP Professional SP1a". They also sent 2 "driver recovery" cd's. Are these all that I would need to *reinstall* XP Pro and all necessary drivers?
This is not the correct way to do a clean install.

To do a clean install you have to format the HD.
This is an option during the Windows XP install processes.
unplug the laptop from the internet while you are getting it back together. You'd be amazed at how fast those darn virii sneak in there. I was rebuildng my father-inlaws desktop and I took a 4-7 min coffee break (I forgot his system was plugged into my LAN and as soon as the install finishsed it jumped on my DSL to the internet)... so in those few mins he got several nasties that my hardware firewall didn't catch.

A pity they did not include the restore CD's... really speeds things up. But at least they made it easy to track down the drivers.

Do not forget to go to Windows update as soon as you connect to the internet. I can not overstate how important this is. This is more important in stopping virii then firewalls and virus checkers. Not that you should skip these things, just a matter of which to do first.

Good luck, nothing to fear; It is fairly easy with the OS and drivers CD's already there. Doing a clean install (or any install)with the supplied CD's will not void your warrenty; you are, after all, using the tools they provided in the manner in which those tools are intended.
post #30 of 44
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Originally Posted by Bjorn
This is not the correct way to do a clean install.

To do a clean install you have to format the HD.
This is an option during the Windows XP install processes.
But before you try this, might as well do the lesser approach (which also formats your HD) and that is to use your restore disks to get it back to factory defaults. A restore is very fast. I did one on my m6805 after swapping out HD's. Took less then 20minutes from start to stop. While a clean-install takes most of an evening. 5-90mins for a format, 15(Amd64)-40mins(normal) for the Windows install (plus your time spent clicking through the choices), 10-30mins more following the wizards on the install process, 1-4 hours running down drivers and patches from Windows Upate.
It really doesn't take that long, especially if you have all the drivers downloaded beforehand (which you should). About 20 minutes to format maybe, depending on the size and speed of your drive, 30 minutes to install Windows, and an hour at the most to install drivers and patches. Also, most of the time you're not even actively doing anything, so you're free to do whatever while you're waiting.
post #31 of 44
Right, I was editing that part out (while you were writing your reply) becuase on my first pass I had missed him saying he has the drivers right there on CD.
post #32 of 44
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Right. Thanks everyone! So all I really do is reinstall the Windows XP over the XP OS that is on there right now? And that will do the HD reformatting and everything else for me then? I do have the drivers cd's so that shouldn't be a problem and I also burned everything that I wanted to save onto a DVDRW. HP did send 2 windows XP OS cd's. One of them is the "Windows XP Home SP1" and the other is the "Windows XP Professional SP1a". Do I need to use both of these OS cd's or only the "Pro SP1a" version? Or do I start with the "XP Home SP1" and then after that use the "XP Pro SP1a"? Again, thanks a lot for the ongoing help!
post #33 of 44
Use the Pro CD. It may ask you for the Home CD (if what they sent you was an upgrade??? version of Pro).

Anyway, start with Pro.
post #34 of 44
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Originally Posted by Jason Chan
Reinstalling will take a short period of time but its actually the setup that takes a long time. Programs, drivers, options, etc... You can't really uninstall an OS but you can reinstall on top of the old OS which is a clean installation. I am a little confused about your OS Cd's are they the ones that are actually for a new computer OEMs? HP recovery disk are totally different from OEM OS Cd's, the recovery disk have all the programs loaded on them and while doing a re installation the recovery disk will reinstall all the programs that came with the notebook. Doing a reinstalling should not void the warranty since you are using what HP provided you with. Just follow the instructions Windows provides you with and you should have no problems. Once your done with the installation reinstall all the drivers and go to Windows Update and update all the critical things.
JC>>> I believe these are the actual original OS Windows XP cd's for loading onto a new computer. There are no actual "recovery disks" that I can tell. I guess that would be easier to have the "recovery disks" but doing it this way should be cleaner, right? BTW, If I burn a copy of these OS cd's do I then always have a good Windows XP Pro copy that I can use on ANY computer as long as I have the "key codes" from the bottom of the laptop? If so then this would be a money saving (but not entirely ethical) way of saving some $ if I do send this back in and order another rig. I wouldn't have to order the new rig with an OS system then because I have a copy, correct?
post #35 of 44
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Originally Posted by Renac
Use the Pro CD. It may ask you for the Home CD (if what they sent you was an upgrade??? version of Pro).

Anyway, start with Pro.
O.K., thanks!
post #36 of 44
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Alright, I am going to boot my Pavilion up and hook up to the internet just in case I need some quick advice from you guys. Here goes nothing I guess!
post #37 of 44
There is an option during the XP-reinstall to select the directory to install to.
It is at this point you would select to delete the current partion and then to create the new one.
post #38 of 44
I just received my nw8000 today and did a clean install. It came with a cd that has all of the drivers, etc. on it.

Here are the steps I followed:

1. Reboot with the win XP cd in the drive.
2. Delete the one and only partition on the drive.
3. Format and install to a newly created partition.
4. Finish the XP setup.
5. When XP boots, insert the driver disk.
6. Run through all of the drivers setup (one click).

I now have a newly installed OS and all of the hardware appears to be functional. I have not had a chance to run any games or benchmarks on it yet, nor have I tried to install any ATI drivers (I think it should be using the FireGL drivers by default). I will let you know how it goes once I get a chance to test it out.

BTW, I love the machine so far.
post #39 of 44
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Originally Posted by Bjorn
There is an option during the XP-reinstall to select the directory to install to.
It is at this point you would select to delete the current partion and then to create the new one.
Well, I hope you mean to use the same partition and install XP over that. That is what I did. As far as I know I did everything as clean as possible. I then reinstalled all the drivers HP sent me with the drivers CD. And after all of that>>>>>>>> It didn't fix a damm thing!! When I ran the 3D Mark 2001 benchmark the whole unit froze about half way through just like before. I then tried it again and the same thing happened. Just for the heck of it I tried installing one of the games that freezes every time upon starting to play. Same thing happened - complete system freeze. I am not even going to waste my time loading all of my personal settings back on this rig. I am just gonna send it back. Very disappointing for almost $3000! I still feel there is a physical internal vid card problem, but I frankly do not want to chance sending this expensive rig in and never getting the problem fixed correctly. I would rather send it back within my 30 days and start from scratch. Very frustrating to say the least! However, I do want to thank all of you who walked me through doing the clean install and all other options I tried. The next time I have to do this I'll know what I am doing! Thanks!!
post #40 of 44
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Originally Posted by j8333
I just received my nw8000 today and did a clean install. It came with a cd that has all of the drivers, etc. on it.

Here are the steps I followed:

1. Reboot with the win XP cd in the drive.
2. Delete the one and only partition on the drive.
3. Format and install to a newly created partition.
4. Finish the XP setup.
5. When XP boots, insert the driver disk.
6. Run through all of the drivers setup (one click).

I now have a newly installed OS and all of the hardware appears to be functional. I have not had a chance to run any games or benchmarks on it yet, nor have I tried to install any ATI drivers (I think it should be using the FireGL drivers by default). I will let you know how it goes once I get a chance to test it out.

BTW, I love the machine so far.
Congratulations Jay! I hope you have better luck with yours than I have had. Mine is going back. I just wonder how many hours I have blown trying to fix a fatal flaw in a $3000 rig? I really like everything else about this machine though. I haven't decided yet if I will order another nc8000. It would depend on the price and if anything really great pops up in the next month or so. It is going to be hard to send this back. I hope I have no problems doing it. Good luck with yours and keep us updated on how it works for you.
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