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Is it worth it to upgrade my GPU?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Well, I know something HAS to be done, but it's a matter of what. Ok, so I have a Dell Inspiron 9400/E1705 with the following specs:

7800 Go
Core Duo T2400 (1.83Ghz)
2x 512mb DDR 533

So yeah, my current GPU runs hot...REAL hot. I8kFanGUI has it idling around 70C and the Nvidia driver has it at 80C (it always remains 10C different, but both are really hot) and the CPU is idling pretty high (around 50C), but I think that's because of the heat from the GPU. Whenever I play games or run 3Dmark, I notice it slows down because it's overheating, which is making the driver lower the core speeds.

In fact, while typing this, I had to go get a board to put on my lap because it's killing me.

Also, I have to state that I'm outside my warranty period, and since Dell never did a recall on it, I think I'm out of options with them.

So I'm not in a position to do all that much right now, but I'm making preparations for when I am able to do something about it.

I think the first logical step would be to apply some thermal paste, to see if that clears up the matter. But I have heard that these cards are allegedly defective, so maybe it won't. That leaves me with two options.

a. buy a laptop cooler
b. upgrade to a 7900GS

Now I'm sure your first instinct would be to say just upgrade, but please know that I work and live in China and my monthly salary of a bit more than $400 is pretty high to begin with. I could afford to do it, but I'm just saying that it's not as simple. The going rate on ebay seems to be $100ish.

So, is it worth the extra money to upgrade my GPU? I'm not sure if my system would bottleneck it or if a cooler would help enough to save me the cash. I sort of think just doing the upgrade to the 7900GS is probably the best option, but I was looking around for other opinions (especially if you've dealt with these 7800s before).
post #2 of 14
buy some AS5 (artic silver 5 thermal compound) follow the service manual instructions for taking apart the machine. you might also want to get some compressed air while you have the laptop open to blow everything out.
http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...n/sm/index.htm


I would suggest investing in a dual pipe 7900. Follow the OC'ing thread on this forum & it wil feel like a new machine. You might also look into changing out your ram & getting 2 1GB sticks, esp if you plan on doing a lot of gaming. If you don't game at all stick with the 7800 & get a laptop cooler along with the AS5.
post #3 of 14
I agree. Buy some AS5 or equivalent and apply it well onto the chip. Remove all the dust. If that improves it, then go and grab/make a laptop cooler. I've seen them on ebay pretty cheaply.
You could probably squeeze some more mileage out of your 7800go.

Otherwise a 7900go from ebay for ~230 would be a decent investment. Bearing in mind there *might* not be another upgrade for the 9400 (rumours of a redesign) so you could consider trying to get your hands on a 7950.
post #4 of 14
Dust her out.
post #5 of 14
Depends on the price you are paying for. I think it was worth it for me to upgrade to 7900gtx since I paid 280 for it. I'm pretty sure you can find gtx or 2500m card for less than 300 on ebay, but not sure of quality.
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input guys.

I've been toying around with my comp a bit more and getting somewhat satisfactory results. If I turn on the fans to max while running 3Dmark and prop up the back a bit, I score 4100 in 3DMark05. Before I realized the problem of heat, I was getting around 2100! So it's a big step up for me.

Also, by doing this, I think I found the real culprit for all the heat- the CPU. After turning on the fans/propping it up, the GPU never hits its max temperature (before it the drivers lower the clock speed) but the CPU can easily get to 90C! I've been reading on the net that laptop manufacturers often don't use good quality/proper amounts of thermal pastes on CPUs, so I think getting AS5 and applying it will definately do me some good.

I'm not a serious PC gamer, so if the AS5 can solve the CPU heat problem, I think I'll be set for a while. Sure, I'd like the increase in performance, but not at the current costs.

Again, thanks for your suggestions.
post #7 of 14
4100 in 05, is that normal? Thats about 15% faster than my old 6800 go.

90C on your cpu is VERY hot. Mine idles at +5 ambient and seems run at load on ambient +23c. This is without any modifications/AS5. Sure its a single core, but I'm guessing its older/less efficient.

Either way you have a SERIOUS cooling problem. Maybe the heatsink isn't on properly?
post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 
Well, according to this website, http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-...00.2137.0.html
it should be scoring around 3800. Now, the site doesn't mention other specs, so I consider getting 300 points higher to be satisfactory. Strangely enough, it lists the 6800 as being faster (based off their tests).

Regardless, yes, the CPU heat is concerning to me. I don't seem to be in much of a position now to fix it though, since I have no way of obtaining AS5 nor would I really even know what to look for to check. I'm sure a dual core probably runs a bit hotter than a single core, but those numbers seem to be extremely high.
post #9 of 14
the 6800 Ultra is faster than the 7800 vanilla. If you look further down you see the 7800 GTX model scores.
post #10 of 14
Yeah that is really hot, my old core duo ran at about 65 or 70C on full use with the gpu at 90C before i got the cooler but 90C i don't think it will stand that much abuse. Anyway i bougth a cooler for a 15" lappie that cools the middle section and Hd and leaves plenty of room on the side for air to flow trough the GPU and cpu ans and i noticed an instant temperaature drop on my old 7800 vanilla, but if i were you i would go for at least the 7900gs and a c2d and get a good price on selling the cd and 7800go, there is still a lot of people out there with x1400.
post #11 of 14
damn my 2.16 Core Duo runs @ 51c under max load (both cores 100%) on my 1405. It idles @ 28c. I pulled it apart a while back, pulled off the thermal pad & the aluminum spacer that covers the copper HS base. Dropped some AS5 on the core & my temps dropped considerably.


The stock thermal solution is pretty inefficient. You can also drop temps by reducing voltages for the core. I dropped my 2.16 .1v.
post #12 of 14
Sumo - I feel your pain I also have an old 9400, which was running a 7800 go - even with full O/C I could only get 380/800 - all I can say is GO the 7900, upgraded my card (for free) swapped it out under a deal with a friend (I brought a second hand 9400 with a 7900go and sorted all the software out for her) and exchanged the 7800 for the 7900. The difference is really stunning this card O/C's really high almost hits scores of the 7900 gtx. Not bad for a single pipe laptop card.

If I was in your shoes I would swap that sucker right out -

Sorry didn't see the China bit - as SoApathy says, try AS5 & clean out the cooling fins - I used AS5 on my CPU after I pulled it out one day just to have a look and damaged the thermal pad. The CPU should not idle at 50 I live in Ausi where in summer it gets hot normal outside temps of 35degC and laptop will run the CPU at 35 - 40 under full load hit 60 then drop right back down - I'm running a 2.16CD CPU. The only other suggestion I have is to try and locate a damaged 9400, you will be amazed what some people will bin simply because they don't know what the components are worth.
post #13 of 14
hey philby did u add as5 to the thermal pad?
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by ZtingerViper
hey philby did u add as5 to the thermal pad?
NO - you clean down the entire area being careful not to damage the CPU, I polished the cooling pipe and cleaned the entire area with IPA - making sure there are no fingerprints etc. Then apply the AS05 to the top of the CPU and placing the heatsink onto this. There are specific instructions for this if you just google it. Be aware it will take some time before the AS05 will fully cure.
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