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Thinkpad T41 vs. Tecra M2

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I need to replace my thinkpad T21 and have been researching laptops.

I had ordered a Dell Inspiron 8600 and then cancelled. I am now leaning towards a smaller laptop with a 14" screen. I think 1400X1050 will be enough for software development. 1400X1050 on a 14" screen has a lower dpi (124) than 1680X1050 on a 15.4 wide screen (128.6). (1400X1050 on a 15" screen is 116 dpi). I can always get a $200 19" CRT for home use.

All in all people are happy with their Dell's but there is no doubt
that they are not the highest quality. They also get a lot of returns
for service which makes no sense if it is my primary PC. Dell are very
good value, give you many configuration choices with the latest
technologies and bundle some good software. IBM and Toshiba have
better reliability but take longer to use new technologies and do not
bundle much software since they are targeted at business users.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1186140,00.asp
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/...ooks_SurveyRes
ults.pdf

IBM Thinkpad T41
I have found one good deal. It is a pre-configured laptop that meets
my needs.
http://tinyurl.com/qebu
1" X 10" X 12.2", 5 lbs
I would change the hard drive for a 7200rpm, 60GB one.

Pros.
- Quality
- Great keyboard
- Slightly smaller than Tecra M2
- Has hard drive 'air bag' technology (puts hard drive in park is laptop is dropped)

Cons.
- It only has 32MB of video memory. This would only be an issue for
games. I never play games and yet I would not mind trying a few of the
new ones and it bothers me that I may not be able to.
- Bluetooth cannot be added later if needed
- No firewire port
- Cannot get a DVD burner for it later if needed
- Only software bundled is Norton AntiVirus

Toshiba Tecra M2
http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/cont.../detailed_spec
s/tecra_M2.pdf
1.2"/1.4" X 10.1" X 12.3", 4.98 lbs

Pros.
- Can add bluetooth and DVD burner later if needed
- Comes with 802.11G
- 64MB video card that supports DirectX 9
- Switch to turn wireless off
- SD card slot
- For $180 can get SystemGuard (no-fault accidental damage protection)

Cons.
- Only been out a month and no reviews anywhere. No idea of general
quality and keyboard quality. (Tecra M1 keyboard was rated as not as good as the IBM but good enough).
- Build your own systems do not come with any bundled software

My guess is that the IBM is the best quality but all in all the
Toshiba seems the better deal. If money was no option I would get a Thinkpad 41p and be done with it.

Does anyone have Tecra M2? What is the quality like? Is the keyboard comparable to a Thinkpad? Anyone have one with a 1400 X 1050 screen and if so how does it look?

Thanks
Limey
post #2 of 12
If you would like to see pics of my Tecra M2 I have posted them in the toshiba pics forum. I couldnt figure out how to post them here.
post #3 of 12
I have three Dell Laptops and all were bought refurbished. Inspiron 4000, Inspiron 4100 (SXGA) and Inspiron 8500 (WUXGA). All three are working fine and are in everyday use with the 8500 going to the office and home every work day. We have a Dell desktop as well.

I will agree that the case for the 8500 could be a little stiffer but I have no usability issues with any of these systems. So I've read and heard about problems but I've bought three used systems and have been very happy. One note: I do not buy at the bleeding edge but wait for the bugs to be worked out of a product before buying.
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 

Dell desktops

I have owned Dell desktops and have recommended them to many people.
It is the quality of the cases/buttons that has put me off their laptops. But perhaps this is more an aesthetic thing than a functional one?
Limey
post #5 of 12
t41 vs. m2 - exactly the choice i'm making! ibm and toshiba both have excellent reputations for reliability. i can hold off a few months and so will probably wait until the next t-series is introduced, which i hope will do 1600x1200 thru dvi without "driver hacks." if no new model is forthcoming by the time i have to decide, i'll take the m2, which looks very good.

STAY AWAY FROM DELL! i bought, specified, and recommended dozens of systems from dell over the last decade. i was very satisfied, until their tech support recently went from consistently good to consistently bad, and now they've stonewalled all attempts to communicate with them about their failure to honor a rebate.

to read about how widespread dell's failure to honor rebates is, see http://www.inquirerinside.com/?article=15019
post #6 of 12
This the right thread for me. I know both laptop is reliable, right now I'm thinking to either buy thinkpad t41 or toshiba m2. I know t41's optimal resolution about 1400 x 1050. I got a couple of questions. Anyone know toshiba m2 optimal resolution ? is video card, XGA or SXGA affect resolution ? Is radeon 9000 does not support directx ? I changed resolution to 1048 x 780 at t41 and it give fuzzy look. Will m2 does the same ?
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
Both the T41 and Tecra M2 can be configured with either a 1024 X 768 screen or 1400 X 1050 screen. Laptop screens only look good at there natural resolution.

XGA is 1024 X 768
SXGA is 1400 X 1050

This is a screen specification not a video card one. If you want 1024 X 768 just make sure you order a laptop with an XGA screen

The Radeon Mobility 9000 supports DirectX 8.1 (but not 9)

Hope that helps
Limey
post #8 of 12
Just to add to what limey replied to:

The Toshiba Tecra M2 has the Nvidia Go 5200 which is a Directx 9 graphics card and is superior to the Ati 9000 in some ways.

My laptop is 1024X768 and screen is not fuzzy and looks great. Lots of people preffer the SXGA resolution but for me its not that big of a deal. I get better play from games on the lower xga resolution.
post #9 of 12
hmm ic so if im not mistaken then the optimal resolution for XGA is 1024 X 768 and SXGA is 1400 X 1050. But i wonder why ibm t41 with XGA display has its optimal resolution at 1400 x 1050 and give fuzzy look 1024 x 768 ?
Thanks for the advice guys ...
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
The T41 you have seen must be an SXGA. If you set an XGA to 1400 X 1050 you will have a virtual screen that you can scroll around.
post #11 of 12
Limey your looking at the wrong configuration for dell you sound mor elike the kind of guy looking into the 600m which fits in the criteria of the T41 and M2

also note you should look into the T41p which is by far the most superior machine that weighs under 5 pounds considering it sports a Radeon 9600 128MB Firegl series (for cad related work but also still a great gaming chip) and an epic 7.5 hour battery life!

as for the 600m you have the brimming radeon 9000 64MB, sharp 14 inch SXGA screen and that dvd burner + bluetooth you seem to be interested.
post #12 of 12
Like IBM t41 but cant afford above a 32mb Graphics card? Does anyone know if the card can be upgraded?

Also what specs will the new T42 have? and when will it be released.
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