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post #41 of 64
7/5/07 at 4:35am
I've researched the Audigy NX and it seems that people are having troubles with it after using it for a year or so. Are there any others ones that are just as competent but without these issues?

Thanks.
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post #42 of 64
7/19/07 at 5:12am
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Originally Posted by m94mni View Post
It's an updated version of a similar adapter for the older laptops, I'd bet it works, as the old ones are discontinued.

If you want to be sure, get a 70tvd or 044ctv adapter on ebay. These will work for 9300 and older *only*.

Hmm I looked on ebay and some auctions have a list of compatible laptops for the 70tvd and the 9300 is not on the list. However, it was on one of the lists for the 044ctv. Some auctions list them as 70tvd/044ctv ...what does that mean, I thought they were different.

Is the new code UJ627 for the newer style M1710 ones? See link below. I cannot find any of these on ebay.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/c...4&navla=~3~694

Why are two 20 dollars and the other one 11?
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post #43 of 64
7/19/07 at 6:53am
70tvd and 044ctv are exactly the same. I got one with my old i8200, and *both* IDs occur on the device. So I'm pretty sure they are the same.

I'm also pretty sure they work with the 9300. The incompatibility was introduced with the 9400 and M1710.

The reason there are two prices is that there are two versions of the adapter - both with S/PDIF, but one with composite video and S-video (one RCA connector plus one s-video) and one with component video (three RCA connectors, higher quality). Of course, if you use the VGA/DVI output, that does not really matter.

The 044ctv is composite+s-video.
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post #44 of 64
7/19/07 at 11:37am
You definately do not want to use the onboard sound if you have a detailed heaphone with amp. It is bound to have a pretty high floor hiss my experience; plug in and you'll definately hear it. Have you considered headphone.com's custom amps that run through the USB?
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post #45 of 64
7/19/07 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by m94mni View Post
70tvd and 044ctv are exactly the same. I got one with my old i8200, and *both* IDs occur on the device. So I'm pretty sure they are the same.

I'm also pretty sure they work with the 9300. The incompatibility was introduced with the 9400 and M1710.

The reason there are two prices is that there are two versions of the adapter - both with S/PDIF, but one with composite video and S-video (one RCA connector plus one s-video) and one with component video (three RCA connectors, higher quality). Of course, if you use the VGA/DVI output, that does not really matter.

The 044ctv is composite+s-video.

Hmm alright. So you're also saying that the new M1710 or M90 one will not work with the 9300?

Is there any other place to get the 44ctv/70tvd other than from dell or ebay? Many ebay sellers won't ship internationally (I'm in Canada), or the shipping is more than the item itself. Can I get Dell to give me free shipping or something? Preferably I'd want to buy this somewhere locally even if it's up to $30 cause primarily I just want it NOW instead of waiting. I'm in Toronto.
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post #46 of 64
7/21/07 at 1:47pm
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Hmm alright. So you're also saying that the new M1710 or M90 one will not work with the 9300?

Is there any other place to get the 44ctv/70tvd other than from dell or ebay? Many ebay sellers won't ship internationally (I'm in Canada), or the shipping is more than the item itself. Can I get Dell to give me free shipping or something? Preferably I'd want to buy this somewhere locally even if it's up to $30 cause primarily I just want it NOW instead of waiting. I'm in Toronto.

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post #47 of 64
7/21/07 at 5:30pm
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Hmm alright. So you're also saying that the new M1710 or M90 one will not work with the 9300?
I'm pretty sure the new ones *will* work with th 9300.
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post #48 of 64
7/29/07 at 7:14pm
So any local places I could try to get this other than online?
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post #49 of 64
7/30/07 at 5:25am
They are dell-specific, so I'd be pretty surprise if yu found them in a store near you...
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post #50 of 64
7/30/07 at 10:19am
I just purchased one on ebay yesterday for $0.99 + $10 shipping.
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post #51 of 64
7/30/07 at 5:06pm
Someone mentioned that the M90 composite cable works for the 9400, but does anyone know if the e1710 component cable works for the 9400?
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post #52 of 64
11/25/07 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by SolApathy View Post
This is the adapter for the laptop that provides Digital 5.1 out & component outputs as well. Be aware this only provides true 5.1 for movies. It does not support 5.1 for gaming, though you ca setup a virtual 5.1 enviroment with your reciever. You can both adapter types here (compoenent & composite)- http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?...False&~ck=anav
When setting up a virtual 5.1 enviroment on my reciever, how does it differ from true DDL encoding in games ? Does it depend on the quality of the receiver itself with its built-in programs? (I have a Technics 300$ 5.1 receiver) Even then, will the sounds be positioned correctly, or is it just an algorithm attempt by the receiver to position front vs. rear sounds ? (more less like Dolby Prologic). Thanks for clarifying, I'm currently hesitating betweeen the Sondigo Callisto, the X-FI for notebooks or the simple Dell SPDIF dongle. EDIT : oh, and I forgot to ask, even though designed for the XPS M1710, is this dongle compatible with the Inspiron e1705/9400 ?
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post #53 of 64
11/26/07 at 6:33am
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When setting up a virtual 5.1 enviroment on my reciever, how does it differ from true DDL encoding in games ? Does it depend on the quality of the receiver itself with its built-in programs? (I have a Technics 300$ 5.1 receiver) Even then, will the sounds be positioned correctly, or is it just an algorithm attempt by the receiver to position front vs. rear sounds ? (more less like Dolby Prologic). Thanks for clarifying, I'm currently hesitating betweeen the Sondigo Callisto, the X-FI for notebooks or the simple Dell SPDIF dongle. EDIT : oh, and I forgot to ask, even though designed for the XPS M1710, is this dongle compatible with the Inspiron e1705/9400 ?
1. True 5.1 has full channel separation - an enemy at your back left will appear in that speaker. Virtual 5.1 takes a stereo signal and tries to make surround sound from it. If the stereo data is ProLogic encoded, you will have better results, but in any case you will not have the same kind of channel separation. Virtual 5.1 works better for environmental/ambient sounds. I'm pretty sure no or few games do Prologic encoding. 2. Your receiver will probably use "standard" upmixing of stereo signals (Dolby or Neo), so I wouldn't worry too much about the quality of that part. 3. The problem with virtual 5.1 is that there is no information about positioning in the stereo signal. 4. Regarding what to choose, it really depends on what you need. Ask yourself: a) do I need surround sound for DVDs? b) do I need surround sound for games? c) do I have 5+1 analog inputs on my speakers/receiver? d) do I have digital input on my speakers/receiver? Then: Callisto solves a), b) and d) X-Fi solves a), c) and d) the S/PDIF dongle solves a) and d) 5. Yes, the dongle works for e1705/9400...
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post #54 of 64
11/26/07 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by m94mni View Post
1. True 5.1 has full channel separation - an enemy at your back left will appear in that speaker. Virtual 5.1 takes a stereo signal and tries to make surround sound from it. If the stereo data is ProLogic encoded, you will have better results, but in any case you will not have the same kind of channel separation. Virtual 5.1 works better for environmental/ambient sounds. I'm pretty sure no or few games do Prologic encoding. 2. Your receiver will probably use "standard" upmixing of stereo signals (Dolby or Neo), so I wouldn't worry too much about the quality of that part. 3. The problem with virtual 5.1 is that there is no information about positioning in the stereo signal. 4. Regarding what to choose, it really depends on what you need. Ask yourself: a) do I need surround sound for DVDs? b) do I need surround sound for games? c) do I have 5+1 analog inputs on my speakers/receiver? d) do I have digital input on my speakers/receiver? Then: Callisto solves a), b) and d) X-Fi solves a), c) and d) the S/PDIF dongle solves a) and d) 5. Yes, the dongle works for e1705/9400...
Thank you VERY MUCH for your elaborated answer. After hours of reading and research, I'm glad you confirm many of my findings. The logical choice seems to be the Callisto, since I want TRUE 5.1 in games and that I have a receiver with digital inputs. My only concern is that I read somewhere that the Callisto uses a little process power for encoding DDL to DD, but being on a dual core rig it shouldn't make such a difference. Moreover, I've read an exhaustive review of the X-Fi for Notebooks and it appears that DDL is processed in software mode too on it, so performance-wize it must be more or less the same.
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post #55 of 64
11/26/07 at 10:42am
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a) do I need surround sound for DVDs? b) do I need surround sound for games? c) do I have 5+1 analog inputs on my speakers/receiver? d) do I have digital input on my speakers/receiver? Then: Callisto solves a), b) and d) X-Fi solves a), c) and d) the S/PDIF dongle solves a) and d)
This isn't right. Callisto solves a), b) with d) X-Fi solves a) with d), and a), b) with c) the S/PDIF dongle solves a) with d)
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post #56 of 64
11/26/07 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by savat View Post
The logical choice seems to be the Callisto, since I want TRUE 5.1 in games and that I have a receiver with digital inputs. My only concern is that I read somewhere that the Callisto uses a little process power for encoding DDL to DD, but being on a dual core rig it shouldn't make such a difference. Moreover, I've read an exhaustive review of the X-Fi for Notebooks and it appears that DDL is processed in software mode too on it, so performance-wize it must be more or less the same.
Right, on a dual core system your problem will be your GPU anyway. As far as I have seen, X-Fi does not have DDL. http://forums.creative.com/creativel...d=71303#M71303 Do you have a link contradicting this?
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post #57 of 64
11/26/07 at 10:56am
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This isn't right. Callisto solves a), b) with d) X-Fi solves a) with d), and a), b) with c) the S/PDIF dongle solves a) with d)
Humm, you can use a 1/8 to optical or coaxial adpater on the X-FI output jack (it is both analog and digital). So the X-Fi would solve a) b) with either c) or D)
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post #58 of 64
11/26/07 at 11:13am
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Right, on a dual core system your problem will be your GPU anyway. As far as I have seen, X-Fi does not have DDL. http://forums.creative.com/creativel...d=71303#M71303 Do you have a link contradicting this?
My assumption was that 5.1 DirectX encoding was DDL, therefore I assume I was wrong. It is getting very complicated. All in all, for direct lossless digital output, the Callisto seems to have more features than the X-Fi, which is quite amazing in this price tag. Oh, of course there is the X-Fi software with the sound enhancements on the X-Fi for music and movies, but I don't require these.
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post #59 of 64
11/26/07 at 11:48am
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My assumption was that 5.1 DirectX encoding was DDL, therefore I assume I was wrong. It is getting very complicated.
No, DirectX does not come with DDL.
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post #60 of 64
11/27/07 at 1:29am
This also relates to destops as well.

If you want surround in gaming, you need either a card with typical 5.1 analog outputs (all cards should have this), which can go direct to powered speakers or to a receiver with 5.1 inputs, or a card that supports Dolby Digital Live and/or DTS Connect to get the 5.1 sound over digital. Note that NO Creative X-Fi cards support DD Live or DTS Connect. Only the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude will support it (in a future software update). There are a few other non-creative cards with DD Live, but not with the X-Fi chip.

my .02
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