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post #21 of 38
definitely don't trust them on time.. I had to whine quite a bit to get my Superman shipped and it finally went out today.. that was after they expedited it 1 1/2 weeks ago and "personally put a rush on it" three days ago.. luckily, for them, the decided to bumb it to two day FedEx and I'll get it Friday
funny thing is I ordered a thumb drive from dell yesterday around lunch time and it was at my door at 10:30 this morning.. that was with standard 3-5 days shipping
post #22 of 38
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Well, along with the freezing, a new problem has shown up, or perhaps an extension of the old problem. The computer has "blanked out" four times now, when using my 3D simulator/builder. What happens is, the system seems to run fine and normally, and all of a sudden, the screen blacks out, any sound currently playing on the computer "freezes" and eventually shuts off, the wireless adapter shuts off, and then the capslock, the numlock, and the scroll lock all start blinking once every few seconds. I have tried Ctrl+Alt+Del, Esc, random buttons and mouseclicks, and nothing recovers the computer, it requires a reboot. But, this only happens with that one program, it hasn't happened with anything else (yet). I've had just as many people tell me that it's the motherboard as I've had tell me it's the video card, but I'm wondering if it could possibly be both, perhaps one circuit doing damage to the other.
post #23 of 38
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Hmm, thank you hammerhead. That actually gave a lot more insight into why they were looking at the memory, and it makes sense. I only wish that AW tech support had explained that to me. I'm much less on edge about a problem if I have an idea about what might possibly going wrong -- things are a lot more scary when you don't understand them. As for the context, the representatitve said, "memory that has been validated for your system." So, I'm not really sure what he meant by that either, perhaps I could email him and ask.

I'm beginning to realize, and understand, that sending it in may turn out to be the best option. The only reason I'm so worried about sending it in is simply that I have several clients who I'm going to have to tell that I won't be able to work on their services while my computer is gone, as I don't have a ready/capable surrogate (166Mhz 32Mb RAM Compaq Aramada). Since they've already had to wait for me while I was getting this new one to replace the one that crashed, I may end up losing one or more clients because they feel they can't rely on me, so I'm kind of stuck in an awkward position. The rep told me that he would expidite the shipping, but he also told me that due to the nature of the problem (going ok for several days, then messing up again) they'd likely have to keep the computer a lot longer to make sure it was working.

So, yeah. I'm not just worried because I want to keep my computer nearby. I love gaming, and I like working on my computer, but I have other things I can do, and I'm more worried about the financial/reputaitonal (clientelle) impact it'll have on my budding business. I guess my only reason for explaining this is to say, I'm not trying to be an a-hole about the whole thing, it's just the circumstance that the issue with the computer has put me in isn't all that great.

I completely understand...

When I started my own business I bought an expensive Acer system, and put all my phone services on it with a communications program. Put all my business contacts etc... Then I had issues with it and had a nightmare support experience myself. I ended up sending it back, so it was tons of work to transfer to the computer, then back off again...

Unfortunately what I learned from that was you can't afford to rely on a single system in business, so I always have a backup.

Hopefully they can get it resolved quickly and back to you asap if you end up sending it in...
post #24 of 38
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Well, along with the freezing, a new problem has shown up, or perhaps an extension of the old problem. The computer has "blanked out" four times now, when using my 3D simulator/builder. What happens is, the system seems to run fine and normally, and all of a sudden, the screen blacks out, any sound currently playing on the computer "freezes" and eventually shuts off, the wireless adapter shuts off, and then the capslock, the numlock, and the scroll lock all start blinking once every few seconds. I have tried Ctrl+Alt+Del, Esc, random buttons and mouseclicks, and nothing recovers the computer, it requires a reboot. But, this only happens with that one program, it hasn't happened with anything else (yet). I've had just as many people tell me that it's the motherboard as I've had tell me it's the video card, but I'm wondering if it could possibly be both, perhaps one circuit doing damage to the other.

Freezing, in my experience is usually heat related, either cpu or gpu. Could be the 3d program heats up your gpu and causes the freeze.

Wouldn't explain the corrupt files though... huh...

The other things shutting down though sound like mobo. All sketchy guesses though.

Have you monitored the temps at all?
post #25 of 38
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I honestly don't know how to monitor temperatures, but the blacking out only started recently. The freezing itself has been going on since the day the computer arrived, and other than a brief stint of being related to two games I play, seems to be completely random, happening at any time, with any program, or even no major programs at all (just the desktop and background programs). The only thing that isn't random about it is that the frequency changes proportional to the amount of memory in the system itself.
post #26 of 38
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I completely understand... When I started my own business I bought an expensive Acer system, and put all my phone services on it with a communications program. Put all my business contacts etc... Then I had issues with it and had a nightmare support experience myself. I ended up sending it back, so it was tons of work to transfer to the computer, then back off again... Unfortunately what I learned from that was you can't afford to rely on a single system in business, so I always have a backup. Hopefully they can get it resolved quickly and back to you asap if you end up sending it in...
*nods* I do actually have a backup, but it's only a hard drive. At this point, I can't afford a second computer, but that was my next investment once I did get the funds saved up (after bills and whatnot).
post #27 of 38
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Update: Well, the new (mobile) memory was recieved, and sadly did not work. The system froze as soon as it reached the desktop, so I removed it. I called the tech support department of alienware, as the man in charge of my case had not called or contacted me in any way when the memory arrived as he promised, and I was told that he was not in that day, he was off, and I was directed to his assistant who promised me that he would leave a message for the man, and that he would get back to me first thing tomorrow when he got my message (and those were his words). Well, I waited, and got no call. Finally in the late afternoon, I called them only to be directed to a new technician and I was told that the orgiinal technician had been reassigned and was no longer working on my case, and the new technician asked for a day to review my case saying that he would be taking care of it from now on. I agreed, and he called today as promised. We discussed the issue, and this technician is concerned about both the motherboard and the hard drive. Towards the conclusion of our conversation, I related the situation that this predicarment had put me in financially, that it was likely going to cost me clients (and I can already name a few) and thus the money they were going to pay which was no small amount. I then said that considering this (and I ought to have mentioned that this predicarment is Alienware's responsibility since the issue was present out of the box) I wanted to request my compensation in the form of a CPU upgrade, and possibly a video card upgrade, and I mentioned the name of the supervisor who had unreservedly guaranteed that I would be compensated for my time. He looked back at the notes, and he found that the supervisor had mentioned compensation, but he also said the notes indicated they were not going to provide compensation, which is a direct contradiction to the supervisor who told me that all I needed to do was call him after this ordeal was done. I only took it upon myself to mention it prior to sending the computer in because I figured it would be far easier for everyone involved to send it in once, and not have to change orders or whatnot. The technician on the phone said that the supervisor mentioned was not in that day, but that he would email him and get back with me tomorrow with the response.

I can't help but feel I'm getting a run around, and I sadly have to admit that not only my satisfaction with them is dwindling fast, and even my family members who have been oberving this have said they would never buy an Alienware nor recommend it based on what they've seen. This isn't my reaction to the upgrades, but more the unnotified switching around of people dealing with my case, the constant restarts of evaluations, and the seeming contradictory promises they make which they then appear to be trying to backpedal on. Considering the amount of money this is putting me out of, which is basically my livelihood, and if I didn't have bills and living to pay for would buy me a new and better system, I don't think my request was at all extravagant, and I mentioned to them the amount that was in question. I'm baffled and at a loss.
post #28 of 38
You're already way past the stage where I would've kicked it back to them and told them to take a hike..
That's beyond awful "customer service" and some people should be fired for it. You're much more patient than I would be.. I had to send the superman I just got back because it would turn off any time I touched it and so far I'm pretty impressed with their repairs. It left here on Monday and was already repaired and shipped back to me last night. They even gave it a Saturday delivery for the shipping.. however, I don't know for a fact that they actually did anything or if it works, so I'm not too excited. I will definitely return it for a refund if it still doesn't work though. I don't like to play games..
post #29 of 38
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I honestly don't know how to monitor temperatures, but the blacking out only started recently. The freezing itself has been going on since the day the computer arrived, and other than a brief stint of being related to two games I play, seems to be completely random, happening at any time, with any program, or even no major programs at all (just the desktop and background programs). The only thing that isn't random about it is that the frequency changes proportional to the amount of memory in the system itself.

I use Notebook Hardware Control to monitor the cpu temp, it seems to be the most sensitive. It's a free program and you can put a graph of the temps on the desktop, and the temp can be displayed in the system tray. While gaming, it gets into the low eighties, and when it hits 85 I clean the heatsink fans... You can set the program to warn you when it reaches a certain temp.

I use Rivatuner to monitor the gpu's, but they don't get very hot for me. They're usually at 77-78 under load on stock settings.
post #30 of 38
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Update: Well, the new (mobile) memory was recieved, and sadly did not work. The system froze as soon as it reached the desktop, so I removed it. I called the tech support department of alienware, as the man in charge of my case had not called or contacted me in any way when the memory arrived as he promised, and I was told that he was not in that day, he was off, and I was directed to his assistant who promised me that he would leave a message for the man, and that he would get back to me first thing tomorrow when he got my message (and those were his words). Well, I waited, and got no call. Finally in the late afternoon, I called them only to be directed to a new technician and I was told that the orgiinal technician had been reassigned and was no longer working on my case, and the new technician asked for a day to review my case saying that he would be taking care of it from now on. I agreed, and he called today as promised. We discussed the issue, and this technician is concerned about both the motherboard and the hard drive. Towards the conclusion of our conversation, I related the situation that this predicarment had put me in financially, that it was likely going to cost me clients (and I can already name a few) and thus the money they were going to pay which was no small amount. I then said that considering this (and I ought to have mentioned that this predicarment is Alienware's responsibility since the issue was present out of the box) I wanted to request my compensation in the form of a CPU upgrade, and possibly a video card upgrade, and I mentioned the name of the supervisor who had unreservedly guaranteed that I would be compensated for my time. He looked back at the notes, and he found that the supervisor had mentioned compensation, but he also said the notes indicated they were not going to provide compensation, which is a direct contradiction to the supervisor who told me that all I needed to do was call him after this ordeal was done. I only took it upon myself to mention it prior to sending the computer in because I figured it would be far easier for everyone involved to send it in once, and not have to change orders or whatnot. The technician on the phone said that the supervisor mentioned was not in that day, but that he would email him and get back with me tomorrow with the response.

I can't help but feel I'm getting a run around, and I sadly have to admit that not only my satisfaction with them is dwindling fast, and even my family members who have been oberving this have said they would never buy an Alienware nor recommend it based on what they've seen. This isn't my reaction to the upgrades, but more the unnotified switching around of people dealing with my case, the constant restarts of evaluations, and the seeming contradictory promises they make which they then appear to be trying to backpedal on. Considering the amount of money this is putting me out of, which is basically my livelihood, and if I didn't have bills and living to pay for would buy me a new and better system, I don't think my request was at all extravagant, and I mentioned to them the amount that was in question. I'm baffled and at a loss.

It's an unfortunate situation, but it's the way AW is set up. Unfortunately they're not a national company, so for business purposes Dell or IBM can deliver quicker repair services for a price...

The sooner you get it back to them for repairs the better, or to ask for a refund.
post #31 of 38
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Well, I spoke with the manager of the tech department today. They said I would be getting an executive callback, so I guess he was the executive. Basically I was told again they can't do the upgrades, they don't have a compensation policy. Instead they're sending $75 in Amazon coupons. They've been kind enough to give me expidited shipping on the system, but said they couldn't send a surrogate system for me to work on. So, I'll be sending the system in now I suppose. I am grateful to them for their work, though I suppose I can't help but be disappointed in some ways. Ah well.

I'll work on getting that program Hammerhead, it sounds like it could come in handy. I appreciate your comments on the thread too, they've been very helpful.

dman, I'd love it if I got it back that quickly, but sadly, due to my computer spending days being ok and then erupting into a series of freezes when it messes up means it's probably going to spend a longer time there to make sure it's working, which is understandable.

I've been kinda disheartened by the whole thing, but meh, I'll feel better about it once I get the computer back and I'm working again. Hopefully I'll be able to get back the client I lost if the repairs don't take -too- long. I don't know that I'll be getting an alienware again though. I guess once you get a lemon you're just kinda wary at all after that point.
post #32 of 38
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It's an unfortunate situation, but it's the way AW is set up. Unfortunately they're not a national company, so for business purposes Dell or IBM can deliver quicker repair services for a price... The sooner you get it back to them for repairs the better, or to ask for a refund.
True, and I'll be sending this one as soon as I get a few things in order. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to ask for a refund and buy a new computer. Out of curiosity, how has your AW "experience" been Hammerhead? Have you had problems with your system at all?
post #33 of 38
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True, and I'll be sending this one as soon as I get a few things in order. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to ask for a refund and buy a new computer. Out of curiosity, how has your AW "experience" been Hammerhead? Have you had problems with your system at all?

I've got six AW systems, and very few issues.

Had one desktop vid card fail after six months, they sent me a replacement upgraded card in exchange under warranty. On another desktop I ordered a Diamond soundcard that I didn't like as it conflicted with a couple of my games, so they sent me a soundblaster replacement free of charge.

Only had one issue that required a depot visit, hard drives were dropping out in a desktop, so we thought it was the sata connectors on the mobo as I'd replaced the cables, and two drives wouldn't fail at the same time so we ruled that out. Finally I sent it to them, and they found bad memory. I'd run memtest several times with no errors, but their diagnostics showed it was the memory. They replace it, and also replaced all the lighted fans for me, and it's been solid since.

The best thing to do with AW when you have an issue is to work through one person. You tried that but he's been reassigned unfortunately. The only other thing I'd suggest is asking to have this escalated to CIT (critical issues team) as they can expidite and offer more in terms of compensation. It's not likely they'll offer you upgrades, but you might get some coupons for best buy or something...

I've had good luck with AW, but you have to keep in mind that they're in Florida, so any repairs or replacement parts cost in shipping time. It sucks, but in my experience it's been worth it. I've really been happy with all my systems.

My m9700 has been completely trouble free, and I use it 12-16 hours a day.
post #34 of 38
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Well, I spoke with the manager of the tech department today. They said I would be getting an executive callback, so I guess he was the executive. Basically I was told again they can't do the upgrades, they don't have a compensation policy. Instead they're sending $75 in Amazon coupons. They've been kind enough to give me expidited shipping on the system, but said they couldn't send a surrogate system for me to work on. So, I'll be sending the system in now I suppose. I am grateful to them for their work, though I suppose I can't help but be disappointed in some ways. Ah well.

I'll work on getting that program Hammerhead, it sounds like it could come in handy. I appreciate your comments on the thread too, they've been very helpful.

dman, I'd love it if I got it back that quickly, but sadly, due to my computer spending days being ok and then erupting into a series of freezes when it messes up means it's probably going to spend a longer time there to make sure it's working, which is understandable.

I've been kinda disheartened by the whole thing, but meh, I'll feel better about it once I get the computer back and I'm working again. Hopefully I'll be able to get back the client I lost if the repairs don't take -too- long. I don't know that I'll be getting an alienware again though. I guess once you get a lemon you're just kinda wary at all after that point.

Yeah, if this is your only experience with AW, it likely will shake your confidence. Unfortunately a minor hardware or software issue can make your system inoperable, and they can be hard to diagnose without the right equipment...

In my experience memory issues cause blue screens, but freezing is usually hd or OS corruption. Have you tried reloading windows once just to be sure it's not the factory install that's corrupted? AW flashes a fresh copy of windows on the drives before the machine leaves the factory, and sometimes that can be corrupted. They do that to make sure none of the diagnostic software is left on the system when it ships. I've seen many issues resolved with a simple respawn or reinstall of windows...

The other big causes of freezing is heat, but usually if it's the cpu or gpu overheating, the system shuts off or tries to reboot itself...

If AW is giving you expidited shipping (usually second day), they may be able to get it back to you in a week or so. It's unfortunate they can't nail down what the issue is, or they could send you the part to fix it and it would only take a couple days...

Since it's Friday, I'd try to respawn or reinstall windows and see if it's still unstable. If it is, I'd bet it's the hd. Unfortunately if they send you an hd and that's not the issue, you've wasted another week...

Good luck with this...
post #35 of 38
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Since it's Friday, I'd try to respawn or reinstall windows and see if it's still unstable. If it is, I'd bet it's the hd. Unfortunately if they send you an hd and that's not the issue, you've wasted another week... Good luck with this...
Well, actually they've already sent a hard drive. The new hard drive caused it to work for about 2 days, then it froze, but it seemed fine after and the tech support guy said it was likely a one-time thing. Then it froze again 2 days later and it kept freezing on bootup each time. I've respawned the system at least three times now, so that's taken care of. I actually respawned it the day I got it when it froze for the first time, and it froze when windows loaded immediately after. After that, I reformatted the HD and installed windows from the disc provided in the case, but that also still froze. From the way it's behaving, I'd say it's another component, but that's coming from very limited knowledge on my part.
post #36 of 38
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Well, actually they've already sent a hard drive. The new hard drive caused it to work for about 2 days, then it froze, but it seemed fine after and the tech support guy said it was likely a one-time thing. Then it froze again 2 days later and it kept freezing on bootup each time.

I've respawned the system at least three times now, so that's taken care of. I actually respawned it the day I got it when it froze for the first time, and it froze when windows loaded immediately after. After that, I reformatted the HD and installed windows from the disc provided in the case, but that also still froze. From the way it's behaving, I'd say it's another component, but that's coming from very limited knowledge on my part.

Hmmm, so it must not be the hd. If it's not the memory or hd, it's likely the hd controller on the mobo...

Very frustrating... I'd just demand they take it in for diagnosis and repair asap since they've apparently approved expidited shipping... They should be able to set up a shipping label online for you in a few minutes that you can print out, or FedEx can print out at the store.
post #37 of 38
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[quote=Hammerhead;2653990]Hmmm, so it must not be the hd. If it's not the memory or hd, it's likely the hd controller on the mobo...[quote]

Funny you should mention that, actually (in a good way). My friend who builds computers suggested that almost immediately when I first told him of the situation several weeks ago. Alienware was sure it was probably the memory at that point, though, with the same information I gave him (I basically quoted to him what I told them).

They've sent me a shipping label, so I'll likely send it out the day after tomorrow. That gives me time to back everything up.
post #38 of 38
mine ended up being a switch and that's how they fixed it so fast. I left a detailed list of the problems and that probably helped them troubleshoot it. It did come back yesterday and is now flawless. so far...

only thing I'm missing is the COA and badge
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