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post #81 of 93
6/14/07 at 1:22pm
Civic, do keep in mind that we are gamers, and have vast knowledge of the market in comparison to many other consumers. I think a load of people who don't know the laptop (and GPU) market will go with the 8600GT happily because they don't understand that it's a downgrade in performance, they will see Dell significantly play up the fact that it is a DX10 card, and will most likely blindly buy it. Obviously it will hurt Dell if the knowing gaming market falls out from buying it. Really however, I feel bad for Dell in a way because it's more the GPU market's issue rather than Dell ousting better cards.
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post #82 of 93
6/14/07 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by pdonket View Post
Really however, I feel bad for Dell in a way because it's more the GPU market's issue rather than Dell ousting better cards.
While I understand your point here, I have to respectfully disagree...a little. While it's true that people are pushing for new santa rosa laptops and Dell is trying to fill that want. They get custom cards from nvidia. Dell laptop GPUs always are form specific. They could have easily designed the 1720 so that it could eventually accomodate a higher level dx10 card to be named later but with a form factor that works, and who knows maybe it will. But without an independent GPU fan I simply doubt it.
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post #83 of 93
6/14/07 at 3:53pm
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While I understand your point here, I have to respectfully disagree...a little.

While it's true that people are pushing for new santa rosa laptops and Dell is trying to fill that want. They get custom cards from nvidia. Dell laptop GPUs always are form specific. They could have easily designed the 1720 so that it could eventually accomodate a higher level dx10 card to be named later but with a form factor that works, and who knows maybe it will. But without an independent GPU fan I simply doubt it.

Yeah, I guess that's true. I didn't really think of it that way, and I'm actually significantly disappointed that Dell would not install a GPU fan, it's just so shortly thought out.
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post #84 of 93
6/14/07 at 6:49pm
they just dont care, dell see's their inspiron 17 inch notebooks as xps killers, people buy them instead of buying their xps's. Maybe all they did is in fact on pourpose, to boost their xps sells and still have some affordable 17" laptops to offer, even if they have a low performing video card. Now if you may get a mid end GPU on an inspiron or get an ultrahighend GPU the XPS, the affordable high end card era is over, i think there will be no more High-end GS's, bit i think they will not stop producing 7900GS's, becuase the demand is still high enough when sold alone, and they need them for replacements too. But it wouldnt be the end of the world if i got a system replacement in a few years with a 8700.
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post #85 of 93
6/14/07 at 7:38pm
I hate to say this twice, but why in God's green Earth would anyone want to buy a 1720 over the 1520? It's more expensive, less portable, has minimal (if any) extra features...

The 17 inch Inspirons were never XPS killers. Yes, you can put vid cards, processors, etc. to mimic the XPS line, but let's face it: you lose your warranty, one of Dell's premier attributes. This will not boost XPS sales because of the simple reason outlined above. Not everyone has 3k lying around for a lappy. If anything, 15 inch sales will go up and the 17's will be left behind.
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post #86 of 93
6/14/07 at 8:19pm
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why in God's green Earth would anyone want to buy a 1720 over the 1520? The 17 inch Inspirons were never XPS killers.
They were for dell, becuase people bought 9400 over xps for 2000$ less and got a huge perfromance boost IN GAMES beacuse of the GS card over the 15xx line. You cant play the same games at high settings on a 15xx. If that is not important for you, then go back to th 15" forum, the topic here is about death of cheap gamming laptops.
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post #87 of 93
6/14/07 at 9:00pm
I never said anything about the 9400, or the 1505. The topic was the new line of Inspirons. I don't think there's a disagreement that they suck compared to the older lines.

I also beg to differ on the playing games statement. My laptop is not a 15 inch, but my girlfriend's is, and I had no problems playing games I like on it. Played World of Warcraft completely maxed out at native rez w/ no problem. Of course, it doesn't score high in 3dmark, but who cares if it runs the game beautifully? On a side note, I stand by my statement that the 9400 is not an XPS killer.
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post #88 of 93
6/14/07 at 10:29pm
I agree with your argument yolda and that's what I was alluding to when I wrote
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(something that I have no doubt contributed to Dell making this change)
But I also have to say that if I'm going to spend the money for an ultra high performance laptop I'm going to buy a Sager. Of course I say that knowing full well that I had made my mind up to never buy another Dell laptop before this new information was known.
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post #89 of 93
6/14/07 at 10:37pm
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Is vostro the new xps notebook? If it is it is very ugly. They should take out the numeric keys and use a darker color like black on the touchpad, palmrest, keyboard, and the frame of the lcd screen.

No, the Vostro is aparrently replacing Dimensions and Inspirons as the cheap systems for the Small Business division. No More Inspirons and Dimensions if you're shopping small business. Don't know about XPS though. Here's the breakdown

Home & Home Office:
Inspiron
Dimension
XPS

Small Business:
Vostro
Optiplex
Precision
Latitude
Precision Mobile
XPS (unknown)

There have been no service manuals released for Vostro laptops only the Vostro 200 and 200s desktops. I've been checking the DCSE website quite often for any updates.
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post #90 of 93
6/14/07 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by ciVick_EX View Post
I hate to say this twice, but why in God's green Earth would anyone want to buy a 1720 over the 1520? It's more expensive, less portable, has minimal (if any) extra features... The 17 inch Inspirons were never XPS killers. Yes, you can put vid cards, processors, etc. to mimic the XPS line, but let's face it: you lose your warranty, one of Dell's premier attributes. This will not boost XPS sales because of the simple reason outlined above. Not everyone has 3k lying around for a lappy. If anything, 15 inch sales will go up and the 17's will be left behind.
Little off topic, but I don't understand how you lose the warranty. If you lost it, you just have to blame yourself for being not creative. If Dell wishes to void the warranty by customers breaking the little part on bottom housing which has nothing to do with performance, I'd say you have right to swap bottom housing if you do have to send your laptop for a replacement. Tech's who come to fix the E1705 would not careless about the GTX card, nor notice it.
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post #91 of 93
6/15/07 at 1:18am
I see what you're saying, but I'm not so sure people would be that lenient. If it is obvious that the card was replaced or that the laptop was tampered with, then that's pretty fair grounds to deny warranty.
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post #92 of 93
6/15/07 at 1:35am
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Originally Posted by ciVick_EX View Post
I see what you're saying, but I'm not so sure people would be that lenient. If it is obvious that the card was replaced or that the laptop was tampered with, then that's pretty fair grounds to deny warranty.

It may seem simply for us tech guys...but for most it would seem somewhat difficult and extreme
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post #93 of 93
6/15/07 at 4:38am
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Originally Posted by ciVick_EX View Post
I see what you're saying, but I'm not so sure people would be that lenient. If it is obvious that the card was replaced or that the laptop was tampered with, then that's pretty fair grounds to deny warranty.
This is the same risk I take downloading torrents or say installing restricted drivers in linux. So I could care less.
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