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post #81 of 92
6/20/07 at 6:40am
no need for a die shrink? err...No comment.




-Hammer I will get back to you tonight.
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post #82 of 92
6/20/07 at 12:59pm
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It would be nice if what I read about the 8800 die shrink taking only 22W were true...

But I would probably have a better chance scoring a snow cone in hell... I have read elsewhere that the new core will take about 35-40W which sounds more reasonable...

*Nvidia* has also admitted to the public that it has been putting out 65nm cores since last year... They should have figured it out by now...
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post #83 of 92
6/20/07 at 1:40pm
I was pretty sure the whole die shrink really had nothing to do with problems in implementation...its problems in cost
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Also, I'd be curious to find the die-size for the desktop cards, but I'm too tired to Google it tonight
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....432&card2=474#
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post #84 of 92
6/20/07 at 2:53pm
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Dell has also admitted to the public that it has been putting out 65nm cores since last year...
You mean NVidia, I assume, not Dell, who have nothing to do with this. It also bears repeating that your source for this is one guy at the Register spinning the rumor mill. Once again, that is very different from "[NVidia] admitting to the public". Finally, we don't know what "putting out 65nm cores" is supposed to mean. They probably did some tests, but that is quite different from being able to produce these in volume, with acceptable yields. For somebody bragging about his intelligence, you are remarkably sloppy with your language...
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They should have figured it out by now...
You know, I really don't know what you want. All your hopping up and down and peeing your pants won't change a thing: NVidia will release the new cards when they are ready. With all the talk of the new cards coming soon, sales volume for high-performance laptops and the associated GPUs probably has fallen off already (plus, it's summer, too), so they would like to get the new ones out the door. But, like I said before, NVidia is running a business, and not a clinic for gaming addicts. My bet is that you can get the newest, fastest XPS gaming laptop in time for the holiday shopping season.
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post #85 of 92
6/20/07 at 3:52pm
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You mean NVidia, I assume, not Dell, who have nothing to do with this. It also bears repeating that your source for this is one guy at the Register spinning the rumor mill. Once again, that is very different from "[NVidia] admitting to the public". Finally, we don't know what "putting out 65nm cores" is supposed to mean. They probably did some tests, but that is quite different from being able to produce these in volume, with acceptable yields. For somebody bragging about his intelligence, you are remarkably sloppy with your language...

You know, I really don't know what you want. All your hopping up and down and peeing your pants won't change a thing: NVidia will release the new cards when they are ready. With all the talk of the new cards coming soon, sales volume for high-performance laptops and the associated GPUs probably has fallen off already (plus, it's summer, too), so they would like to get the new ones out the door. But, like I said before, NVidia is running a business, and not a clinic for gaming addicts.

My bet is that you can get the newest, fastest XPS gaming laptop in time for the holiday shopping season.

haha, harsh guy but you have reason. Talking about the market, I think there's been an issue in the high-end notebook segment that DX10 has been introduced for quite some time now (even though there aren't any DX10 games really) and no high-end DX10 notebook.

It is reasonable for high-end notebook gamers to hold off buying until this happens because of what the latest API offers and it's more future-proof. And you bet this is impacting sales in this segment a good amount.

To the point, unlike you I believe there's motivation to releasing the high-end cards right now and I think they will sooner than the holiday season
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post #86 of 92
6/20/07 at 3:58pm
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You know, I really don't know what you want. All your hopping up and down and peeing your pants won't change a thing: NVidia will release the new cards when they are ready. With all the talk of the new cards coming soon, sales volume for high-performance laptops and the associated GPUs probably has fallen off already (plus, it's summer, too), so they would like to get the new ones out the door. But, like I said before, NVidia is running a business, and not a clinic for gaming addicts.
NVidia doesn't sell cards, it sells discrete chips. NVidia would be wrong in ignoring the gaming addicts. And it doesn't. That's why the 8400 and the 8600 are out until they hammer out the solution for a more capable 8800. Personally I'm waiting until a laptop with a DVI out put and > 512MB vRAM comes out. Hopefully my i9300 will crap itself and Dell will send me a replacement... some people get 1710's, but with something new out, who knows... I might get something bigger! It would be awesome if Dell took some shortcuts and the physical arrangement of the 8M was similar to the i9400/e1705 video card profile, and if they put out a BIOS for these laptops that would recognize the 8M.
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post #87 of 92
6/20/07 at 4:33pm
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To the point, unlike you I believe there's motivation to releasing the high-end cards right now and I think they will sooner than the holiday season
Sure there's motivation. The question is, are they ready to produce the chips in volume? I don't think they are, otherwise they would. Holiday season starts in October, so my guess is that they will announce the new cards maybe in September.
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post #88 of 92
6/20/07 at 4:36pm
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NVidia would be wrong in ignoring the gaming addicts. And it doesn't.
Of course not. Nobody said they did.
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It would be awesome if Dell took some shortcuts and the physical arrangement of the 8M was similar to the i9400/e1705 video card profile, and if they put out a BIOS for these laptops that would recognize the 8M.
Dream on...
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post #89 of 92
6/20/07 at 4:38pm
Well mid range cards are technically the highest cards in demand which is why it was important for Nvidia and ATI to get there respective x6xx series GPU out. The fact that NVIDIA touting the 8700 as this huge advantage over the 8600 makes me worried that the 8800 is still a long ways to go.
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post #90 of 92
6/21/07 at 1:46pm
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Sure there's motivation. The question is, are they ready to produce the chips in volume? I don't think they are, otherwise they would. Holiday season starts in October, so my guess is that they will announce the new cards maybe in September.
That is where I was really getting at. And I agree with the above. I remember the GF 5800 mishap well and think they would have learned their lesson by that... which is why it has taken this long IMHO. Here is the link to where I started reading about the 65nm die shrink: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10...ets_65nm_cpus/ Dated end of October! Now what I was talking about when I stated that they should have figured it out, is that if Nvidia truly has been producing these cores since October, In computer years, this chip should be ready. I think it is ready because it does take time to pack and ship the chips after fab to the card makers for them to implement and test in their builds as well. This can take time too. Has anyone researched if the lower 8 series chips are 65nm/22w+? I haven't and I am curious. Oh and the comment on my speech and typing... I have a thingy called Asperger's Syndrome. Basically Hi-IQ/functioning Autism. Compare it to being Spock with a social disorder. Literally but without the ears... So it is sometimes difficult to put my intense thoughts to words properly. I may have an IQ of 147, but I also have an EQ (emotional quotient) of 57. Average is 100 of a total of 150. Now that sucks... And I am used to the ridicule so meh... I understand where you all come from too. A forum with over 100k members can give a plethora of geniuses and idiots so it is hard to pick sometimes. So try to understand me too guys, all I am doing is helping out a bit around here because I have this mass of knowledge and the urge to analyze fix things. What some see as cocky and forward do not register with me as I cannot perceive nor understand certain situations/emotions and I apologize for that. It is hard not to go to each thread in this forum and give the solutions to everyones tech problem (my god it would take forever!), and I don't give info lightly without a lot of personal research behind it. anyway enough about me and back to fixin the world... /RANT
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post #91 of 92
6/21/07 at 6:53pm
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Here is the link to where I started reading about the 65nm die shrink: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10...ets_65nm_cpus/ Dated end of October!
Ahh, but the operative phrase in there is "We suspect it actually means it's sampling chip designs fabricated at that size." So, yeah, at that time they were of course already experimenting with 65nm layouts, but they weren't even remotely close to a finalized design, let alone ready for production.
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Now what I was talking about when I stated that they should have figured it out, is that if Nvidia truly has been producing these cores since October
No, and this is exactly what I was getting at when I criticized sloppy language: They have not been "producing these cores since October", see above. They have been playing around with some 65nm designs in October. Well, duh, that's not really saying much. Given the fact that they knew they would eventually move to that technology, they damn better get started experimenting with it well before they plunged into mass-producing those chips.
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Oh and the comment on my speech and typing... I have a thingy called Asperger's Syndrome. Basically Hi-IQ/functioning Autism. Compare it to being Spock with a social disorder. Literally but without the ears... So it is sometimes difficult to put my intense thoughts to words properly.
Alright, I need to make something clear here: I know that you are enthusiastic, and excited about these new GPUs, and it is clear that sometimes you carry your heart on your tongue (or on your keyboard )in these matters. But I have no business, and would never dream of, criticizing anybody for that. I could add that I am quite familiar with Asperger's in my immediate environment, too. So, if I came across as criticizing, or even ridiculing your enthusiasm, then I truly apologize. Let me assure you that that was not my intention. However, you should be smart enough to accurately read passages like the one you quoted, and draw accurate conclusions from them. Not doing that when you seem to be able to do so, and continuing to twist the information you have into misinformation, is something that can, and should be criticized, in my opinion.
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post #92 of 92
6/21/07 at 8:49pm
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Has anyone researched if the lower 8 series chips are 65nm/22w+? I haven't and I am curious.

The lower end 8 series use 80 nm cores and the higher end use 90 nm
The ATI lower end series use 65 nm cores and higher end use 80 nm

I was just looking at some desktop cards and these desktop ATI's look pretty decent although they consume alot of power.
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