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post #21 of 77
7/6/07 at 12:43am
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Originally Posted by dave-p View Post
well i spent a wad of cash this year building my desktop (see Sig for details) which bencharks 12,000 in 3Dmark06, and I still have not pushed the system to the limits, that was just with a mid range OC When AMD released the Quad Core later this year I will upgrade to that as well
AMD fan eh? I'm personally waiting for the 8.9's to drop on the market, and the July Intel pricedrops before I build.
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post #22 of 77
7/6/07 at 12:51am
I was a fan of AMD back in the thunderbrd era. the exposed cores were a pita for users & a boon for AMD I can't imagine how many people ended up buying more than one because they cracked part of the core during the HS install.

After that I went over to Intel & never looked back.
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post #23 of 77
7/6/07 at 1:57am
I been a fan of AMD since the days of the dx4-100 lol
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post #24 of 77
7/6/07 at 6:37am
I was a huge fan of AMD but after this core duo ive switched and havent gone back! AMD need something new to make me turn back!
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post #25 of 77
7/6/07 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by SolApathy View Post
I was a fan of AMD back in the thunderbrd era. the exposed cores were a pita for users & a boon for AMD I can't imagine how many people ended up buying more than one because they cracked part of the core during the HS install. After that I went over to Intel & never looked back.
I cracked the core on the very first 950 Duron I ever installed Backwards heatsink install FTL
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post #26 of 77
7/6/07 at 2:32pm
I feel pretty much the same way. I was thinking about a building a desktop, but I am unimpressed by Dx10 right now. I really like the GeForce 6 and 7 series, so I'll wait for the Dx10 equivalent generation before I buy in.

Here's an article on Crysis. I think I'll be able to play this game on my 7800 GTX well enough, and like the article says, I'll still get the experience they want to convey.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/cr...ml?sid=6163791
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post #27 of 77
7/8/07 at 2:30pm
You can't expect to see DX10 advantage until developers will taught themselves a new stile of 3d programming, which really raise from unfied shaders ground up. IMO the gap between unifed shaders and old stile could approach in size gap between software and hardware rendering paradigms. Unified shader is more like second core than API for rendering. Just porting old api to DX10 will not make a trick. So it will probably will take quite a time before real DX10/OpenGL unified shader games appear, which will be essentially better in new mode. Unified shader main advantage is possibility of run-time generated or modified data, like NURBS, functional textures, smooth level of detail etc. I'm not sure if 8800 is strong enough for it. For example run-time tessellation was supported for years already, but no one using it - it slow gpu to crawl.
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post #28 of 77
7/9/07 at 2:13am
I must be the only person that is happy with the current high end DX10 cards; I love my 8800gts as a DX9 card, forget the DX10 capabilities. Obviously in a couple of years it will be obsolete, but who still has their radeon 9700 pros around trying to play oblivion on max? But that 9700 pro will still play oblivion at lower settings, not bad for a 5 year old card and it wouldn't surprise me if the 8800 series works the same way with DX10. Obviously the 8600 and lower cards aren't worth the hassle for DX10, but how did the radeon 9500 and lower cards perform on DX9 after a couple DX9 games came out? Back then people kept their gf4 ti42/44/4600s just like now people will keep their 78/7900s, until the next generation of cards come out.
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post #29 of 77
7/9/07 at 2:53am
atwood7fan, the 8800gts is a beauty of a card, but dx10 still sucks.

However, you're right to ask the question about radeon 9500's performance and how it performed compared to older cards. The mid range card was definitely faster than the older generation; it really makes you wonder why nvidia even bothered releasing the atrocity that is the 8600 (for desktop as well as notebook).

The whole fiasco is here is because dx10's performance hit is insane, much more than dx9 AND mid range 'dx10' cards suck -- they are worse in dx9 than top of the line dx9 cards, and often lose to even mid-range dx9 cards. This wasn't the case at all in the dx9 transition, as you allude to.
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post #30 of 77
7/9/07 at 11:09am
I'm still not convinced that DX10 is that terrible, that anandtech article is based on 3 games with extremely varied results. Let's wait and see what a real full DX10 title does, especially after some optimization from both game developers and video card drivers.
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post #31 of 77
7/9/07 at 1:07pm
I've never considered dx10 to be bad. I know we have to wait for it to mature so until then I'll just be peachy the my ultra and my gtx. However, this is not to say that I think the mid-end 8 series cards are good. They just lack horsepower imo but I will bench my ultra against the mobile to see what happens.
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post #32 of 77
7/9/07 at 1:26pm
It does seem strange to me that nvidia put such a huge gap between its mid range and high range cards:
8800gts: 96 stream processors, 320 bit memory bus
8600gts: 32 stream processors, 128 bit memory bus

What the need is an 8700gts with 64 stream processors and a 256bit bus, which would be the good mid-high end card they need to round out their lineup
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post #33 of 77
7/10/07 at 7:16pm
Here are some pictures as of 5 p.m. today lol... Just got everything in

when the wife gets home she's gonna kill me open them in full size at your own risk




that is the biggest CPU HS I have ever seen



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post #34 of 77
7/10/07 at 8:18pm
you need 700W for one gpu? I mean I know the ultra series is pretty notorious for power consumption but damn.
Well I just see that the card can use up to 175 W by itself.

Man I want that kind of power again.
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post #35 of 77
7/10/07 at 8:27pm
Thread Starter 
I hope you don't abandon us in the forum because of your new desktop beast :P
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post #36 of 77
7/10/07 at 8:27pm
yeah it has 4 12v 18a rails
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post #37 of 77
7/10/07 at 8:37pm
roflcopter

that ultra is absolutely gigantic...is it going to fit in the case? it looks as long as the case is! Enjoy that beast when it comes together!
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post #38 of 77
7/10/07 at 9:12pm
yeah that ultra is a little too close to the edge of that table for my taste. I'd strap it to my gut until I was ready to use it.
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post #39 of 77
7/10/07 at 9:21pm
lol it barely fits. I will have pics once Iget everything in the case & wired up
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post #40 of 77
7/10/07 at 11:47pm

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