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Lucky man! I used to get those speeds however I guess a bunch of people hopped on my line and now I'm dragged down to only 8500kbps/1800kbps

Don't feel too bad. download TCP optimizer and that should help you out a bit.
post #42 of 69
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UPDATE: September 16th

UPDATED September 16th 2007

Got my motherboard back and got it up and running again after my new modifications.
  • Lapped IHS
  • Lapped Waterblock
  • Added Radiator
  • Wrapped cords to make the system cleaner
  • Replaced bottom compartment fan with LED Fan
  • Added 500gb Western Digital HDD (Total two Terabytes of space)

The lapping, and radiator greatly reduced my temps by atleast 15-18 degrees. At 3.2ghz after 12 hours prime 95 she would sometimes spike up to 75 degrees. I have since overclocked her to 3.4ghz and she only spikes up to about 65 degrees under load.

I'm pretty sure I can overclock her just a bit further but to be honest with you, 3.4ghz Quad Core is plenty fast for me. This is coming from a guy who was on a 1.86ghz Dothan Pentium M for about 2 years. She does 16 seconds on a 1mb SuperPi test and has withstood the test of Prime95 of 15 hours + Prime95 and MemTest combined for an additional 8 hours.


Without further ado the pics:







post #43 of 69
Is that 65 celcius under load?
(fyi it's Tera, not Terra) Personally I only include my internal HDD's for total space calculation. I have like 5 or 6 TB in external storage, including my uber 20 MEGABYTE WD drive muhaahaha


Your desktop pic is too small & fuzzy.
post #44 of 69
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Heh, sorry typo. Yep and that's a 65 degree spike for the hottest core during 12 hours of Prime 95 testing though it usually stays at 54-60 while the coolest stays from 54-58 spiking to 60 sometimes... At idle the Q6600 stays at 42 degrees for the hottest core while the coolest stays at about 37 Sorry for the desktop pic I'll update the picture, I didn't want it to be too big and annoying.
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Personally I only include my internal HDD's for total space calculation. If I included all my external drives I probably have 5 or 6 TB worth of drives not including my HD-DVR archive drives lol
Well, I could fit my 500 gig external in my computer that's connected through esta + one of my two other 250 gig HDD's if that floats your boat but I'd rather have them outside just incase the computer blows up. I mean we could have HDD penis contests all day long but that sounds like the worst idea...ever!
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Ahh..Double post sorry.
post #46 of 69
JF thats a gorgeous machine man, VERY NICE!!!!If you got a EVGA card I would be ok with that, long as it was a ultra
post #47 of 69
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Well, for me extra money for an overclock = no thanks.

But thanks for the nice comment.
post #48 of 69
ouch those are really high temps, especially if you are using water cooling... I would definitely take a look at your HS placement, etc.. Running @3.9GHz on air I never exceeded 58c & run 32-34c idle...(house temp 78 degrees)

sitting @ 3.6 nominal I top out at 54c running Orthos CPU stress mode.

With the Q6600 TDP being 105 watts @ 62.2c You are probably tripping the TCC (which isn't really noticeable) & most likely on the verge of a PROCHOT# trip which would be noticeable.
post #49 of 69
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Well it's quad core 2.4ghz overclocked to 3.4 at 1.5volts, what can you expect? That's two E6600's on one chip since it isn't a native quad core design. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1031427184 Another poster with a similar Q6600 OCed a bit higher but around the same vcore and water cooling and he's getting temps that are around the same.
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With the Q6600 TDP being 105 watts @ 62.2c You are probably tripping the TCC (which isn't really noticeable) & most likely on the verge of a PROCHOT# trip which would be noticeable.
There's a lot of other people with temps that are the same I don't want to google it for you as I am sure that you can do it the same. Oh and by the way I have a G0 Q6600 which means that the thermal threshold is 71 degrees. Link Q6600 G0 vs. Q6600 B3 G0 = 95W @ 71C B3 = 105W @ 62.2C No I don't think I'm on the verge of a having the PROCHOT# alarms ring - I haven't even experienced a BSOD at this stability. As I have updated the image before - you can see that I was running Prime 95 for about 15 hours and it was rock solid no hiccups. As I have told you it stays at around 60 degress under 15 hours of prime 95 stressing each core and the ram (which from what I have seen is more intense than ORTHOS). It only spikes to a maximum of 65 on core 0 as reported on core temp while the other cores are cooler. I have also done prime 95 + memtest running together for about 8 hours just last night and it ran fine. You might want to check Guru3d yourself if you want to find out more about the Q6600 and why my computer won't blow up. But thanks for the friendly advice.
post #50 of 69
On watercooling? I would expect about 10c cooler. Even running at 1.5v (which you should not have to do in the first place with proper settings in the BIOS) you should not be running that hot.

I really suggest you take a gander over here in the OC forum...

http://forums.guru3d.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11



This is your first desktop build (I built quite a few before I took a break and went into OC'ing laptops) and you will find a lot of useful info over there, including stickies on the basics of proper OC'ing


Here are the main forums...You have a sweet looking rig & these guys can help you get the most out of it

http://forums.guru3d.com/
post #51 of 69
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While I do appreciate all this friendly advice and I will look further into it - the temps are fine. They are well below the Thermal Threshold and no I am not in any danger of tripping the temp alarms.

Do note that I use coretemp to measure my cpu and not Asus Probe or Speed fan which says that I get about 15 degrees cooler. I hope your measuring using coretemp as well (couldn't see it in your thread only asus probe)

Yeah this is my first build but rest assured I have already checked guru3d before (i prefer hard forum better) so you don't have to keep telling meto visit there just because it's my first build. I got it all covered, don't worry about it.

The only thing that will really blow me over is if your not using core temp to post your magic numbers and instead asus probe or speedfan.

Edit: I'd suggest reading this post at overclock.net that I have been following since I got my CPU. I suggest you read up on it if you want to know more about the differences between the B3/G0 Q6600 or quad core in general since they are different beasts compared to your E6700 in OCing and temps. They also have other people there with Watercooling but different than mine (DangerDen etc) since you seem to think that I should be reaching 10* cooler I suggest you read those posts as well, and other than the magical ones with high end dual loop, triple radiator and 1200 l/h pumps you will see that my temps are normal.
post #52 of 69
You need to look at more of my posts. (post #23 on my build link) In fact in this forum I have pointed out to others that ASUS PCprobe is notorious for giving incorrect temp readings. I have coretemp, but prefer RMClock & that's what I base my temps on.

even on a G0 stepped proc ( I was not paying attention to the G0 6600 in the title sorry ) you should not be hitting temps that high on a water cooled system. I would expect that on air...Of course I wouldn't expect you to be running at 1.5v @ 3.4GHz, you should be around 1.3875-1.4v which would drop your temps a bit.

I can crank up to 1.6v and still don't hit 60c. I was just pointing out with water cooling you should not be hitting 60c+ that easy... Just some friendly advice from someone that has never used a conductive pen, built a TEC cooled, water cooled, or OC'ed system. Never said you had to listen lol.


...I was not trying to sink your boat or anything, I was jst trying to give you a little more input on the system
post #53 of 69
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Some G0's from the LZ3 batches get good numbers on low voltages while other LZ4 batches (mine) need more voltages. Granted I haven't gone too extreme by checking each and every feature but I have based my OC on others and it is normal.
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even on a G0 stepped proc ( I was not paying attention to the G0 6600 in the title sorry ) you should not be hitting temps that high on a water cooled system. I would expect that on air...Of course I wouldn't expect you to be running at 1.5v @ 3.4GHz, you should be around 1.3875-1.4v which would drop your temps a bit.
Have you checked the thread that I posted? Like I said, I appreciate the advice and it looks like you got some experience but I really do suggest reading that "Hey SLACR! G0 HIGHER!" thread from Overclock.net. Your E6700 and the other procesors you worked with in the past are a different beasts from these dual-die/dual-core "quad core" processors. They pump heat and a lot of it. 62 degrees for a SLACR L724A watercooled Q6600 overclocked to 3.4/3.5 is normal and I can't stress that enough since it's based on other people's observations from different forums especially overclock.net since they have a massive thread dedicated ocing the G0. Now am I going to recheck the waterblock? I sure will. Will I check the settings on the bios? Yep doing that as I type. Do I expect a change? Not really, I'd like to be proven wrong though - don't get me wrong. The only thing about really "peeves" me or sinks my boat about your posts is that your sounding the "prochot" alarm when in fact I am well within the A) thermal threshold, B) this temp is normal for a 3.4 quad core proc C) honestly your facts about the q6600 are a bit off.
post #54 of 69
JF, I just ordered a Q6600 and an 8800 GTX recently, damn you giving me the upgrade bug!

But seriously, prices are great now. Here's hoping I get G0 stepping.
post #55 of 69
Both OC pretty well if you get a nice one from what I can see, but more is guaranteed from a G0
post #56 of 69
If you take a look at this I added a pic with my currently running bench after about 20 minutes. Didn't want to post a pic in your thread

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4357/39ghzjy7.jpg

the PROCHOT# was not based on G0 stepping, which I already mentioned, I told you I did not pay attention to the title & missed the G0. Just an FYI, though, PROCHOT# (throttle) trip is not just thermal based, it's also based on current draw. In addition (don't know if you know this) but there is another trip point after that THERMTRIP# that is for the catastrophi failure condition that shuts the proc down around 125c


I've seen plenty of posts on other forums with sub 60 scores with normal radiator setups. I think I may just buy a Q6600 to see what I can get out of it. I was just making an obervavion, don't bite my head off lol
post #57 of 69
My q6600 is the GO from NEWEGG so everybody knows.
post #58 of 69
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If you take a look at this I added a pic with my currently running bench after about 20 minutes. Didn't want to post a pic in your thread http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4357/39ghzjy7.jpg the PROCHOT# was not based on G0 stepping, which I already mentioned, I told you I did not pay attention to the title & missed the G0. Just an FYI, though, PROCHOT# (throttle) trip is not just thermal based, it's also based on current draw. In addition (don't know if you know this) but there is another trip point after that THERMTRIP# that is for the catastrophi failure condition that shuts the proc down around 125c
Prochot # is definitely enabled in the G0 Q6600 and yep I am fully aware of what thermtrip is thanks. http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SLACR
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If you take a look at this I added a pic with my currently running bench after about 20 minutes. Didn't want to post a pic in your thread http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4357/39ghzjy7.jpg
Nice temps, good overclock on air, totally different beast though. You know, I'm really happy for you that you have good temps. But I fail to see the relevance of you posting a picture when enthusiasts know off the bat that dual core's run cooler and over clock better off the bat? Temperature's already differ with the different types of Q6600 and that really, comparing a q6600 and e6700 based on temperatures is like comparing a carrot and an eggplant - there is no relevance.
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I've seen plenty of posts on other forums with sub 60 scores with normal radiator setups. I think I may just buy a Q6600 to see what I can get out of it.
At 3.4/3.5ghz/3.6 and 1.5 volts? Lets see them. I'm pretty sure that these "normal" radiator setups have either D-tek/Danger Den and triple radiators OR Phase Change/TEC coolers. Either that or their different from my L724A batch. If you do get the Q6600 then cheers to you and hope you get a good overclock.
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I was just making an obervavion, don't bite my head off lol
Well...what can I say. Your first couple of posts after my update were calling out my system and your facts are kinda off so...
post #59 of 69
I'm not going to argue with you ( was posting the link as a reference, not as a comparison)... You know alot more about everything than me & I conceed to your wisdom in all things G0
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JF, I just ordered a Q6600 and an 8800 GTX recently, damn you giving me the upgrade bug!

But seriously, prices are great now. Here's hoping I get G0 stepping.

Good stuff! Post pictures.

Anyway I'm pretty sure you'll get a G0 in September. I cant imagine anyone getting a B3 anymore.
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