Wait for Leopard? - Page 2

90 days does seem to be an extensively long time - that would = lots of money lost for apple...

I honestly can't want for the new OS and I sure as heck don't mind paying for it. I also honestly can't remember when I have been this excited over a new os.

When I had a windows machine I was running windows 95 for the longest time and never picked up 98. I had a friend who had 98 and his machine seemed to have the same issues I had so I said why bother. My next computer was a Dell with windows ME and that thing was a headache and a half. As soon as I could get a copy of XP I did, but it was for bug fixes and not "wow this os rocks". Even Vista seems more of a pain to use then XP.

OS X however has been a breath of fresh air for me. It was difficult at first to use but fun at the same time. Because I was learning how things were done differently instead of "doing it that way causes a bug so find a different way to do it"

The new os or version upgrade seems like its adding a whole new set of features where it makes you think, "Damn its cool to own a mac"

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On a similar note, anyone have an idea of what the cost of the upgrade might be? I did a search and found a bunch of predicted release dates but no speculated costs.

I was very excited with Tiger...not so much with Leopard.

Personally, WHY?

Why are you so excited about Leopard?

I just don't get it really, it doesn't seem all that great to me. I finally got all of my machines except my PB on Tiger, more because I had for software reasons than anything. Nothing in the OS itself really amazed me, and I feel the same about Leopard.

Seablade

Meh, ok I guess you're right. Nothing special. Screw Leopard!

Missing sarcasm tags there? (Honest question)


Ok now this I can kinda of understand, as there IS a big jump going from Windows to OS X, and in my opinion a GOOD jump, so yes I suppose waiting for the new version to do that jump might be reasonable there.

It is more than the OS X versions are just what there name really shows them to be, incremental upgrades IMO. Don't get me wrong there is some new stuff, I just don't think that new stuff is necessarily worth the money.

Now all that being said, when my primary day to day computer was my powerbook running 10.3 and the rest were running 10.4, I was looking forward to 10.5 as I was going to buy a family pack and upgrade everything at once as the price difference wasn't much between an individual license and a famiy pack, and it is worth it for future proofing.

But to be honest, I was more looking to upgrade then due to needing to for software, than because the OS was more impressive to me. Since getting my MBP and using that for my day to day laptop now, I have no real need to upgrade, nor much desire to, nor much money to, so I will wait till I need to before I upgrade, but I even doubt that will be as much of a problem, as the majority of the software issues I had before stemmed from people not wanting to compile for 10.3, which used the GCC3 compiler, whereas Universal Binaries you needed to use the GCC4 processor, and that won't be changing anytime soon. So it is likely that the only reason I had to upgrade will not be happening nearly as quickly this time around.

In as far as pricing is concerned, I think you will find that looking at the Apple store for their current upgrade pricing will give you a good bet. Which I believe is $129 for a single license, and $199 for a family pack(5 Licenses), remember me mentioning not much difference between the two?

Seablade

Yes that was sarcasm as I am still excited about Leopard. What can I say I like to change things up every once in a while. I redesign my website every year so it looks new and different.

And Vista killed Windows for me. My mother bought a new computer and Vista is just one pain in the ace to use. It got to the point like I said before "You work around the computer because the computer isn't working for you".

Is the new OS ZOMG Uber? Honestly I have no idea as I am still a Mac newb. But the features I saw listed were ones that when I thought about it were features I missed when I left windows. Most people like you and Kakaze just say its a minor upgrade. Well coming from Windows it's kinda wired. 10.4 -> 10.5 ??? Is that like a security patch or something? So when I saw what it was adding I liked what I saw.

As for my only Windows box. It will be XP until it dies. And judging by what I am seeing now I may not own another Windows machine again.

I didn't say it was a minor upgrade.

I just said I'm not excited about it.

When I first heard about it I was but all the new features are under the hood for the most part and I don't particularly care for the new GUI, so there's really nothing there to excite me anymore. I'll upgrade simply because a lot of Mac only devs have already stated that the next versions of their software will be 10.5 only.

Ok I apologize for that. I am still running on the comparison model of windows. And it didn't come out well on my part. Hard to judge Mac os when Windows 98 to 98SE. And then from 98 to XP. Huge jump in numbers and structure. So is Leopard a new OS or just the 98SE version?

P.S. - Windows ME doesn't count as an OS.

I was an everyday XP user and I hoped on the Mac and went right off the bat. However the interface was familiar as its the same as the Gnome/Linux I used to use. But it shouldn't be too confusing at all. The applications thing got me. Its just a folder. There is no master list you just "search" for the photoshop program via spotlight or quicksilver (or go to the folder) and go.

As for parallels, it is a program that lets you run Windows on your Mac as if it were an application in the Mac OS. You just boot into OS X and start Parallels like you would opening a word application or such. Its called a simulation as its basically recreating the drivers/software/ and hardware interaction in the program itself. Its good for using applications that you cant find for the Mac OS but I don't think you can game on it.

Bootcamp is another option, as long as you have a copy of Windows you can do a dual boot system with both Windows and OS X. This basically puts both of the operating systems on your computer and you choose which one you want to use. This is not a simulation so there will not be any extra work for your computer to do so if you want to game or have a heavy program to use this would be an option.

parallels IS a program that allows you to do a host of things with your windows installation(s). parallels and vmware do many of the same things and both are operating system virtualization softwares. simply put, virtualization basically means running an OS within an OS. in their "old" way of doing things virtual machines would typically require a disk image of alloted space to run, not unlike making an ISO image of a CD. in the newer iterations of virtualization you have a number of options.

1) run your windows bootcamp installation as a virtualized OS.
---why? because then you don't need to have another installation of windows as a separate disk image on your system taking up space. any work you do in the "parallels" world will be done in your bootcamp installation (i.e. - file changes, etc.), because well, it's the very same installation. u don't have to worry about synching your files between the disk image of windows and the actual bootcamp partition of windows.

2) run windows apps seamlessly in OS X without having to work in a Windows environment. the apps basically open up within OS X's windows.

3) the old fashioned route. if for instance u didn't want to do a bootcamp installation of windows (maybe your use of windows is pretty limited or basic) you could go the route of creating a disk image installation which you could mount and load with parallels.

yes switching is easy. :P if it weren't, Apple's market share wouldn't be expanding at the rate it is.

any questions?

Windows Me? Wasn't that a virus?

Ok again, I suppose I can understand the excitement coming from Windows to Mac, it is just in comparison to other Mac OS's I can't understand the excitement that much.

Unlike Kakaze I DO consider this a relatively minor update to be honest. Even under the hood I am not to impressed with it as I am concerned with that more than most people. Ah well.

Seablade

I have noticed that Leopard is a little sluggish as compared to Tiger, but what has to be considered is that Tiger is a mature OS, with 10 major updates under its belt, whereas Leopard is still in Beta. However, if I can ever install the latest 2 major updates to the Leopard beta, I can report back on compatibility and optimization.

One thing I have noticed though is just how they have gone through and simplified certain things. They integrated some of the apps in the utilities folder into a single app, have unified the UI, and generally smoothified the BOOM factor. I need more buzzwords I think. The new help system is topnotch, and am really glad to see that it is persistent across all the Apple Apps and some 3rd party apps, and should be part of all the updates that the indies release for Leopard.

While I agree that it doesn't quite feel like a whole new OS, and in fact to me feels more like the move from XP to Vista than from OS 9 to OS X, at the same time, it feels like it is nothing but improvement, whereas IMO, Vista takes some steps back in regards to usability and whatnot

Speaking of stability and updates, I have been using Safari 3 Beta and ran across something wierd today.

I was moving some files onto a website via Cyberduck and when I went to view them in Safari 3 it said that the files were not on the server. But if I went to the site on firefox/IE/Safari 2 they were right where they were supposed to be.

This happened on a pdf file as well as a few jpg files. I went into the directory view and saw the files were indeed on the server and in the right place. Even the correct size on the harddrive. But when I went to open them safari 3 said they were not there.

Did a little tinkering and found that it was only sme files. But after a restart of my computer, a full deletion and reload of the files and such, it was always the same files that were "not there".

Oh and the files were not currupt. They worked and displayed perfectly fine on other browsers (even on the same computer).

somewhat of a derailment but rather relevant (somehow) : http://www.rathergood.com/looking/

Christ, that place is still around?

It was funny for, like, 2 minutes about 6 years ago. I still have nightmares about those Quizno's commercials he did.

Has anyone tried the 9A500n build? I don't have leopard installed anymore due to lack of disk space.