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post #1 of 22
8/30/07 at 11:25pm
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Hi everyone!

I am stuck between these 2 choices! they both are going to cost around the same but as you can see the only difference is the different OS.

I am a PC guy(never had a mac before) but my girlfriend has a mac and it seems easy enough to use. Also she has bootcamp so i really like that feature. I can have mac and window in one comp!

Now with the IBM Lenovo. I heard some good reviews but havent heard to much bad reviews about them. PC based gonna be running XP Pro. I dont like vista ATM.

here are the specs for each:
IBM/Lenovo
Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7100 (1.8GHz 800MHz 2MBL2)
Operating System: Genuine Windows XP Professional
Operating System Language : Genuine Windows XP Professional - US English
Display type: 14.1 SXGA+ TFT
System graphics: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M (128MB) w/o WWAN
Total memory: 1 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)
Hard Drive: 80GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm
Optical device: DVD Recordable 8x Max Dual Layer, Ultrabay Slim
Wireless Card: ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wi-Fi wireless LAN Mini-PCIe US/EMEA/LA/ANZ
Battery: 6 cell Li-Ion Battery

Which GPU would be better for games like HL2 or BF2. the NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M (128MB) w/o WWAN or NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M (128MB).

Apple MacBook:
MB061LL/A 2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 1GB 80GB ComboDrive. BTW if i get this i will have Windows XP on this.

Last couple of questions. Sorry guys! There are so many options for the speed of the CPU. will 1.8 be enough for me? I am going to be using this for college but i might play BF2 or HL2. Dunno if it is possible please advice!

Anyways, thanks for your patience and thanks for any advices or suggestions in the future!
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post #2 of 22
8/31/07 at 1:00am
From what I remember from the last time I looked, Quadros are nVidia's workstation cards...they'll perform amazingly well with OpenGL but they're not generally as good with DirectX which is what the majority of Windows games use.

Things may have changed, however.

The MacBook, on the other hand, uses integrated graphics and will most likely be completely unsatisfying to game with. Other than the Lenovo, the MacBook Pro would be what you want if you want to game.

As far as normal college stuff, however, the MacBook shines and will do anything you can throw at it that doesn't require 3d graphics.
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post #3 of 22
8/31/07 at 2:42am
IBM is the best bet.
The graphics being the def. decider.
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post #4 of 22
8/31/07 at 9:08am
another vote for thinkpad. they are build like a freaken tank... .drop it, hit it, run it over with your car...it will still work. seriously. tech support is pretty damn good too. specs are also slightly better for the price.
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post #5 of 22
8/31/07 at 5:12pm
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From what I remember from the last time I looked, Quadros are nVidia's workstation cards...they'll perform amazingly well with OpenGL but they're not generally as good with DirectX which is what the majority of Windows games use.

Things may have changed, however.

Things have changed. The latest Quadros from nVidia are based on their DX line, making the hardware very similar if not identical.[1] The major differences are in the software drivers and level of testing.

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The MacBook, on the other hand, uses integrated graphics and will most likely be completely unsatisfying to game with. Other than the Lenovo, the MacBook Pro would be what you want if you want to game.

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As far as normal college stuff, however, the MacBook shines and will do anything you can throw at it that doesn't require 3d graphics.

I'd vote for the IBM for sure. For the same reasons others have listed here.

Regards,

Z.

[1] http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=120217
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post #6 of 22
8/31/07 at 6:53pm
Ah, so, even moreso than before, nVidia is charging people a premium for the same stuff they can get at Best Buy for a lot cheaper. Woohoo.
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post #7 of 22
9/1/07 at 12:44am
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Ah, so, even moreso than before, nVidia is charging people a premium for the same stuff they can get at Best Buy for a lot cheaper. Woohoo.


what?
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post #8 of 22
9/1/07 at 2:09am
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Ah, so, even moreso than before, nVidia is charging people a premium for the same stuff they can get at Best Buy for a lot cheaper. Woohoo.
I think that reply belongs in another thread.
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post #9 of 22
9/1/07 at 3:45am
What thread?
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post #10 of 22
9/1/07 at 5:37am
Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand what you mean by your comment. For one thing, it's Lenovo that's charging what they want for their laptop. Second, I'm quite sure that Lenovo's don't have swappable GPUs.

The whole reason to go with the IBM, in any case, would be for the amazing build quality and support. The GPU is just icing on the cake.

Regards,

Z.
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post #11 of 22
9/1/07 at 8:53pm
What isn't there to understand?

My comment wasn't about what Lenovo charges it's about what nVidia charges. I didn't say anything about changing GPUs.

You said the Quadros are "based on their DX line, making the hardware very similar if not identical."

Quadros carry a premium in price. If they are so close to being based on their consumer products then nVidia is charging people more for, basically, a name and some different software.
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post #12 of 22
9/3/07 at 6:21pm
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I order the T61, sucks to say that they have messed up on my order. When I click the Order button, I only agree to pay $1084, but when I checked my bank account and the order status on the site. They charged me $1330. I cannot afford that and when I called Lenovo, just to find out what happened, they gave me the switch around to different department game. When I finally got to the right department (took a while cuz no one wanted to tell me exactly who to talk to), it was 5 min till closing. (mind you that i was on the phone with them for about 3 hours) The guy on the sales department told me i needed to talk to customer service so he said that he would transfer me there. When he did, it was not CS but he actually transfer me back to sales. and guess what? they were closed...

In conclusion, its wayyyyyyy to much trouble andn hassle to go with them. cuz if they just told me that it was a mistake from their online orders, then this thing would have been solved. So on Tuesday i will give them a call and cancel my order. Think about this, if i am buying a computer from them and they dont even want to help me, then how good are they when i have a problem with the computer... imma go with Mac since i can also use my student discount and get it the day i give them my hard earned cash =)
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post #13 of 22
9/3/07 at 6:24pm
well you could have bought it at a B&M store like Staples (the Lenovo). Sales deparments are always skrewey, even Apple sales makes me LoL, actually if anything Apple sales are some epic lulz compared to most other brands, but its the tech support that is pretty decent on Lenovo. Too bad it didn't work out =3
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post #14 of 22
9/3/07 at 7:16pm
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well you could have bought it at a B&M store like Staples (the Lenovo). Sales deparments are always screwy, even Apple sales makes me LoL, actually if anything Apple sales are some epic lulz compared to most other brands, but it's the tech support that is pretty decent on Lenovo. Too bad it didn't work out =3

This ludicrous, asinine comment from a known Apple troll, someone whose only Mac experience is with machines belonging to other people (which makes obvious his limited dealings with Apple sales), makes me lulz, LoL, etc, etc.

FWIW: I agree with most of the folks here that the Lenovo would have been the better choice ZDEMON. In my own experience, the MacBook didn't meet Apple's ordinarily high standards. Sorry your deal didn't work out.
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post #15 of 22
9/3/07 at 7:51pm
well... apple tries to sell you an "experience" rather than a computer. This vaguely reminds of a timeshare presentation, i am not buying a vacation but an "experience" . Naturally they try to give you all the benefits, real or imagined... and they seem to focus especially hard on the imagined ones. With good reason though because real benefits a buyer can see/feel... imagined ones not so much.
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post #16 of 22
9/3/07 at 8:55pm
You're now trying to sell a BS "experience" to make up for your last inane post. You focus on everything negative that you can possibly imagine whenever spewing forth your Apple "wisdom," but on anything you actually know about Apple and Macs? Not so much.
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post #17 of 22
9/3/07 at 9:31pm
when was your last visit to apple store pretending to be interested in an imac? have you actually focused in detail on what the apple.com/store website says? propaganda i tells ye!
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post #18 of 22
9/3/07 at 9:39pm
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when was your last visit to apple store pretending to be interested in an imac? have you actually focused in detail on what the apple.com/store website says? propaganda i tells ye!

Yes, as a matter of fact - often. I've owned two PB's, a MB, MBP, Mac Pro, two ACD's and bought several iPods for the gf and my youngest. My last visit was way back yesterday, but I wasn't pretending to be interested in anything; sales folks see right through crap like that. They have several crude names for pretenders which I can't post, but they're colorful and very insightful.

More BS I tell ya.
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post #19 of 22
9/3/07 at 11:43pm
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Yes, as a matter of fact - often. I've owned two PB's, a MB, MBP, Mac Pro, two ACD's and bought several iPods for the gf and my youngest. My last visit was way back yesterday, but I wasn't pretending to be interested in anything; sales folks see right through crap like that. They have several crude names for pretenders which I can't post, but they're colorful and very insightful.

More BS I tell ya.

uhh i havent touched anything apple, and id agree, its an "experince" they try to draw you into this world of "youll be the coolest kid on the block with this white box"

it doesnt matter what you or i have bought or owned, when i want somthing i go in, get it and leave......just what i see on the net, and steve jobbz quarterly reports......when they were showing off panther, i think it was, it just seemed like it was a cult-like aura in the whole room

thats just me, if this post makes no sense or doesnt fit, oh well, im tired and have to work in the morning


IBM > apple anything (even tho asus makes apple barebones, or used to anyway)


soulsaver
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post #20 of 22
9/13/07 at 1:44am
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LOL... Thanks for all of your inputs guys but i'm still here waiting for them to credit my money back. Im at the point where I got the RMA# and UPS it to there return center in North Carolina. I gotta say I am really tired BS by these companies. I know I should of just bought it from Staples or the like but money is an issue. the more i can save i will go that route. and since apple is really a exact amount w/ student discount. I have gave myself a ultimatum. hahahaha so yea the lesson for me is to never order laptop/desktop through online "Build your own" websites. I still trust newegg though =P

O yea... I have a custom desktop that i built so im not leaving the PC forever. haha this mac is only for college so yea... we'll see how it goes. Just confused on which MacBook to buy. White or Black =P 2.0 or 2.16...
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