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V-sync on or off in Bioshock

post #1 of 20
9/5/07 at 7:49am
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like i wrote, should V-sync be on or off in Bioshock.

should i also turn v-sync off in the Nvidia controll panel if i turn v-sync off in the game ? (it enable at "application controlled", does it matter ?

how much worse qualtiy do i get if i turn v-sync off ? (is it worth it)

how do you guys run Bioshock, and which laptop spec do you have and which game settings do you use ?
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post #2 of 20
9/5/07 at 10:35am
I would say off. In any game I play, if it is on, I can be guarantee to lose at least a third of the FPS. In fact, I have it off on the control panel to make sure that no application even tries to enable it.
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post #3 of 20
9/5/07 at 11:21am
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how much worse qualtiy do i get if i turn v-sync off ?
quality of the picture doesn't change, however, you get some tearing on screen (only seen during movement). the intensity of the look depends on the game you play. in some games you'll barely notice it, sometimes it looks somehow ugly.
check the picture for an example (file atached) or see this link
http://www.nhancer.com/help/images/VSync.png
if you enable vsync you lower your performance in general. additionally, your fps can't get higher than 60 with vsync on.
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post #4 of 20
9/5/07 at 11:34am
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how do you guys run Bioshock, and which laptop spec do you have and which game settings do you use ?
check the attached picture, with these settings and the laptop as in my signature i have a very stable 30 fps avg. (since i got the 94.22 driver completely free of stuttering/loading/lagging issues). 3dmark06 is around 4200-4500 with these clock speeds (depends on the global quality/performance settings in the driver).
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post #5 of 20
9/5/07 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by felixbrenner View Post
check the attached picture, with these settings and the laptop as in my signature i have a very stable 30 fps avg. (since i got the 94.22 driver completely free of stuttering/loading/lagging issues). 3dmark06 is around 4200-4500 with these clock speeds (depends on the global quality/performance settings in the driver).
do you think 94.22 is better then 84.69
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post #6 of 20
9/5/07 at 5:24pm
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do you think 94.22 is better then 84.69
i'm only using it since yesterday, but yes. the fps and 3dmark score might stay similar, but the stuttering/loading-like lagging i experienced throughout some games is completely gone. also the bioshock performance become much rounder for me.
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post #7 of 20
9/5/07 at 5:27pm
the only issue is, i couldn't find a classic panel view and even after applying the coolbits inf mod i can't see any temperature, only the oc options become available.
but as i'm using atitool anyway, idon't have a problem with that. and i really appreciate the lag-free performance, it was sometimes annoying before.
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post #8 of 20
9/5/07 at 5:39pm
Check out my thread on bioshock (its in dell 17-20' ntbks)

If you dont like to look at the tearing as desvribed above, turn it off. You will loose some frames but it will stop tearing effects.

See my sig- i run it at 1024x768 everything ON and all high settings. Ir runs between 20-40 frames and it doesnt chop at all, not even during fireiftes.
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post #9 of 20
9/5/07 at 5:41pm
Vsync-on all the time!

I can't stand games with V-sync disabled. I hate tearing (the effect I hate the most after aliasing).

Anyway guys , you talk about 8X.XX and 9X.XX drivers, but what about 163.44 drivers? These have been made specifically for solving performance bugs in Bioshock
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post #10 of 20
9/5/07 at 7:02pm
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These have been made specifically for solving performance bugs in Bioshock
yes, but it has not been optimized officially for mobile cards. and the tweaked drivers mostly have some issues when it comes to notebook cards.
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Vsync-on all the time!
not necessarily. i.e. it looks terrible in tony hawk's american wasteland, but if you play nfs: carbon with motion blur on, you won't notice any tearing as it gets covered by the blurring. depends strongly on the game for me.
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post #11 of 20
9/5/07 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by felixbrenner View Post
yes, but it has not been optimized officially for mobile cards. and the tweaked drivers mostly have some issues when it comes to notebook cards.
Mmm, never had a problem here. GPU clock scaling works like a charm and in the Nvidia Control Panel I have the ability to set the Powermizer on-off (Nvidia laptop energy optimizer) Bye
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post #12 of 20
9/5/07 at 9:11pm
didn't try the 163.44 yet, so i can't tell, but the 94.22
works just fine, so why change?.
i'll wait for some users' reviews before i try the new one as it is still
a beta one. and i'm more careful before trying new drivers since i oc'ed
as i fear not optimized drivers that have issues with fan control
might do some damage to my gpu.
did you try the 163.44 already? if yes, can you tell any difference?
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post #13 of 20
9/5/07 at 10:58pm
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Originally Posted by felixbrenner View Post
didn't try the 163.44 yet, so i can't tell, but the 94.22 works just fine, so why change?. i'll wait for some users' reviews before i try the new one as it is still a beta one. and i'm more careful before trying new drivers since i oc'ed as i fear not optimized drivers that have issues with fan control might do some damage to my gpu. did you try the 163.44 already? if yes, can you tell any difference?
Yes, I use 163.44 and I have gained some points in 3dmark. I don't think that such things like fan control reside at the driver level. If the driver crashes? What happens? Does the card burn? It's more likely that the fan control resides in the bios (either video card one or system one , don't really know) . Anyway, I haven't really noticed any temperature increase with these drivers compared to dell's ones (84.XX), just a performance boost and more "smoothness" . I've also overclocked my card with the bios voltmod. Bye
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post #14 of 20
9/6/07 at 12:31am
maybe i'll give it a try, too.
thanks for the info!
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post #15 of 20
9/6/07 at 1:01am
Fans onboard the card are controlled through the videocard bios but the fans in our systems are controlled through the system bios. The video card drivers are not necessary for proper fan control.
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post #16 of 20
9/6/07 at 2:11am
i would turn ON global lighting for some free additional fps too... and shadows off, these two are not really noticeable by the eye when playing
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post #17 of 20
9/6/07 at 3:26am
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Originally Posted by nvgear View Post
i would turn ON global lighting for some free additional fps too... and shadows off, these two are not really noticeable by the eye when playing
turn global lighting ON ? (why, dosent that take a lot of power, and lower your FPS) i turned V-sync OFF in both game and windows. and jesus balluba what smotlhy it run. (and the quality didnt get so much different i think)
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post #18 of 20
9/6/07 at 10:20am
I know this isn't the driver thread, but HOW IN THE HELL are you guys getting those drivers to work without the blue screen of death? I have to delete my nvcpl.dll to make it quit, but then I have no control panel. I have become quite fond of the 3d profiles for individual games. I am stuck using the Dell 7950GTX driver. I would like very much to play Bioshock.
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post #19 of 20
9/6/07 at 11:41am
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post #20 of 20
9/6/07 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by TurbodTalon View Post
I know this isn't the driver thread, but HOW IN THE HELL are you guys getting those drivers to work without the blue screen of death? I have to delete my nvcpl.dll to make it quit, but then I have no control panel. I have become quite fond of the 3d profiles for individual games. I am stuck using the Dell 7950GTX driver. I would like very much to play Bioshock.
what kind of a Dell laptop do you have ? (a M170 power supply (150 W), and a go7950gtx , and a wxga+ screen ? is it a modded 9400 ? (but you have replaced it with a go7950gtx and m170 PSU ?
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