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M6805 crashing again

post #1 of 21
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I reassembled my M6805 last night after cleaning it out and installing the new DVD-RW drive. Things seemed to go smoothly. Also fixed the screen flicker problem, switched the inside DIMM to a 512MB one, and glued back a small piece of plastic casing around one hinge.
Finally, I diid a clean install using the OEM restore disks, booted up and made the wireless internet connection, and everything seemed fine.

Some time later, the screen and cursor just froze, then again a few minutes after a restart.
After several forced shut-downs and restarts, the familiar black error screens ('missing or corrupted file') and briefly, the BSOD began to appear. (Rarely at this point would the machine get as far as the welcome screen, and if it did, a crash and blues screen would soon follow.)

This is basically the same state the machine was in when it originally crashed, before my repair (but at that point had no working CD-RW drive to affect a restore).

One of the black screens advised to try repairing with the original restore disk (press 'r' in the first screen).
Trouble is that I can no longer even boot up with the restore disk(s) - the machine just comes up with the black/blank screen, sometimes accompanied by four loud beeps. Is this a BIOS problem? Any advice what I could try next?

Thanks for any input! (Sorry if my descriptions are not specific enough - I'll dig up more info if needed.)
Dave
post #2 of 21
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Update: I tried booting up this morning, and after many false starts I eventually got the first restore disk to start.
So it is now in the middle of a third clean install.

Assuming the machine boots up with the clean install, what should be my first step?
I'm afraid I won't have too many moves before the crashing starts over again...


PS - Latest update: Successfully restored, boot up and attempt to complete set up... Got halfway through setup, and it freezes again.

Reboot, and get this blue screen:

'Windows has had to shut down, blah blah...

'DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL'

and: Technical Information: STOP: 0x000000D1 (0x8434F7F0, 0x0000000Z, 0x00000000, 0x8434F7F0)


(Could this be to do with my installation of the DVD-RW drive (replaced the original CD-RW drive?)

Thanks for any help
Dave
post #3 of 21
post #4 of 21
new hard drive?

cheers ...
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I'm pretty sure the HD is OK, but I can do a swap and see what happens.

According to the link you gave, the 4 beep code might mean a 'bad motherboard'.

Can you suggest any further means of self-diagnosis, to try and pin it down a little closer than 'bad motherboard'? Maybe there's something up with the processor memory cache, the RAM, or the BIOS itself? Sorry to sound so dumb on the finer points.

Thanks again...
Dave
post #6 of 21
error "pinpointing" to a motherboard can mean lots of things, not just a motherboard in general. u made the system started and running for a while before whatever happened. I would just (visually) examine closely connection points on the mobo first. best thing is with a test device, i have no idea in this department

just a reminder. it is VERY confusing for forum users/poster to follow/respond to ur queries if u edited ur post AFTER getting input/replies back - as u have done in ur post #2, post etiquette so they say. It is better just to post a new one.

cheers ...
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks qhn for the etiquette tip.

I would be looking at the RAM slot swapover, but for the fact that the problems I'm having seem the same as I had before, i.e. mainly the black screen with either countdown to normal restart or error notification, followed by brief BSOD, and then refusal to boot at all. I might have another look under the hood, but there doesn't seem much good I could do there without any changeover parts.

Is it possible to install or reinstall the DVD-RW drivers through the BIOS, if i can get to it. How about flashing or upgrading the BIOS? [Again, sorry for sounding so half-assed - whatever tech savvy I have lies in different areas.]

Dave
post #8 of 21
The 4 beeps (assuming all the same length) are either the board itself, or the first bank of RAM. Either would cause the blank screen, the countdown to normal restart, or BSOD. The optical drive (or Windows driver for it) is not the problem.
post #9 of 21
Does booting into Safe-Mode via pressing F8 work? If it does,
uninstall the DVD-drive in the device manager and make a reboot to have the new one recognized.

greetz..
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by Thunder_PC View Post
The 4 beeps (assuming all the same length) are either the board itself, or the first bank of RAM. Either would cause the blank screen, the countdown to normal restart, or BSOD. The optical drive (or Windows driver for it) is not the problem.

Thanks for the info, ThunderPC. What about the blue screen driver error message, though?

(i.e.)

'DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL'

and: Technical Information: STOP: 0x000000D1 (0x8434F7F0, 0x0000000Z, 0x00000000, 0x8434F7F0)


Did you mean it would only be the RAM in the internal slot that was indicated? I don't think it's bad RAM in any case, or a bad connection, but of course I could be wrong. And I don't want to think about the possibility the M/B needs replacing. But if that's what it is, then I need to know.

Dave
post #11 of 21
That's actually usually the first sign or failing or faulty RAM. It may not be a RAM issue, but between the BIOS beeps, and the fact you can't even boot stably from restore disks indicates some faulty piece of hardware. Drivers have literally nothing to do with the ability to boot from CD/DVD. That is all handled on a hard coded software level (BIOS/CMOS).
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
visionary811 - thanks, but I tried getting into safe mode last time, and the machine froze up before I could even get that far. In fact, this time around, I haven't even been able to get through basic setup after restore before she just freezes again. I'll keep trying, but you know, the DVD-RW is one of the things that at least seems to be working alright, so I kinda doubt the driver problem is there.

Could the driver error be to do with the card reader PCB, by any chance?

Thanks guys! Please keep it coming.
Dave
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunder_PC View Post
That's actually usually the first sign or failing or faulty RAM. It may not be a RAM issue, but between the BIOS beeps, and the fact you can't even boot stably from restore disks indicates some faulty piece of hardware. Drivers have literally nothing to do with the ability to boot from CD/DVD. That is all handled on a hard coded software level (BIOS/CMOS).

Thanks ThunderPC - that helps.

So, maybe if nothing else works I should try reinstalling both the original 256MB DIMMs...

Dave
post #14 of 21
That would probably be a good start. If the machine will stay stable for long enough, and you have another machine to download it to, you can also try memtest86+, It is a very thorough RAM diagnostic program, that runs independent of windows. If it is a RAM problem, it will most likely find it.

http://www.memtest.org/

There are also some decent diagnostic programs on the Ultimate boot CD:

http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thunder - thanks for the links. I'll see how I go tonight (fingers crossed). Might be a few days before I have time to tear it down again.

Thanks everyone, for your input!
Dave
post #16 of 21
Hope all goes well! You know where to find us
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunder_PC View Post
Hope all goes well! You know where to find us

Thanks! I haven't had time to take it apart again, in fact right now I can't justify the time it *might* take to find the problem, let alone spend more money on it.

Any idea what it would be worth sold 'as-is' for parts (working fine until 2 or 3 weeks ago, cosmetically in excellent condition, with (mostly) known good parts - LCD, DVD-RW drive, RAM, 60GB HDD, etc.
I'm sure she could find a good home with some smart tweaker with more time on his hands than I have! 8>)
[Sorry my faithful M6805, it's been wonderful, but you shouldtn't oughta have gone and died on me like that... sob! This is gonna hurt me more than it's gonna hurt you...) 8>(

OTOH, maybe by winter I'll have more spare time.

Dave 8>)
post #18 of 21
Look around on ebay for similar machines. That should give you a good idea as to what it may be worth.
post #19 of 21
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UPDATE:

Just wanted to say thanks to all who offered advice on this.
Having run out of patience, I sent the machine to have someone look at it who'd offered me a very fair quote.
Turned out to have been a bad RAM chip - the upgrade 512MB stick I'd added some time ago. This was the same stick I'd transferred to the internal slot when I had the machine apart! So i'd kinda outsmarted myself there...
Without tearing the machine apart again and gambling on another RAM stick in that location (which hadn't occurred to me, but was hinted at here in the advice i got), the odds are I never would have found the problem without many teardowns and much frustration.

So I can recommend a very cheap and fair repair service, if anyone's interested. They only charged me $75, including shipping the machine back!
Now I'm looking forward to getting the machine back, and installing a new 1GB RAM module and maybe a new Hitachi 7K200 hard drive... 8>)
Thanks all again,
Dave
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by groovon View Post
UPDATE: Just wanted to say thanks to all who offered advice on this. Having run out of patience, I sent the machine to have someone look at it who'd offered me a very fair quote. Turned out to have been a bad RAM chip - the upgrade 512MB stick I'd added some time ago. This was the same stick I'd transferred to the internal slot when I had the machine apart! So i'd kinda outsmarted myself there... Without tearing the machine apart again and gambling on another RAM stick in that location (which hadn't occurred to me, but was hinted at here in the advice i got), the odds are I never would have found the problem without many teardowns and much frustration. So I can recommend a very cheap and fair repair service, if anyone's interested. They only charged me $75, including shipping the machine back! Now I'm looking forward to getting the machine back, and installing a new 1GB RAM module and maybe a new Hitachi 7K200 hard drive... 8>) Thanks all again, Dave
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