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post #201 of 464
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Originally Posted by Boogieman117
I told you so...

Take a weekend, or a saturday, and just back everything up, and nuke the whole damned thing.
Before you think of sending that baby off, I'd suggest the above.
post #202 of 464
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Originally Posted by Boogieman117
Before you think of sending that baby off, I'd suggest the above.
Self promoting; however, respectfully disagree. FT has had a few problems that have not been able to be ironed out -- even after CLevos "repaired" teh machine. Too bad he didn't get the Phillips warrant (Wasn't available at the time through PC Torque", because then he could be asking for a replacement after the third time in the shop for the same problem.

Reformatting and "Starting Over" does nothing if the problem is hardware or engineering related.

FT - Send it in for repair/replacement (Try for a replacement to the newer version of the 8790) - just a thought.
post #203 of 464
Ok ok, all kidding aside G..

FT hasn't tried this option yet.. he told me he had the problem when he started updating his ATI drivers..

I've yet to update mine from the stock drivers that came with it, and frankly, I'm happy with what I got.

I was suggesting to FT a while back to nuke his machine in efforts to start fresh; if the machine is still artifacting, it's a definite hardware issue.
post #204 of 464
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Originally Posted by Boogieman117
Ok ok, all kidding aside G..

FT hasn't tried this option yet.. he told me he had the problem when he started updating his ATI drivers..

I've yet to update mine from the stock drivers that came with it, and frankly, I'm happy with what I got.

I was suggesting to FT a while back to nuke his machine in efforts to start fresh; if the machine is still artifacting, it's a definite hardware issue.
In that case, I'd have to agree. I just assumed that he had already done the reinstall from scratch earlier. FT needs to try that at least once and messed up video drivers cause a lot of "weird" problems and could indicate failed hardware, even if the hardware is good.
post #205 of 464
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It's been on the List of Things To Do, but given the way Life's been, just hasn't gotten done. I'm home sick today, though, so it's lookin' to be a Nuke day.

I'm fairly sure it's not drivers, BUT... I was thinking earlier that it *might* be possible since I don't have artifacting on the boot screen or the XP splash screen. At that point, the drivers are loaded, I do believe, so there is the possibility that I could get squared away.

If that doesn't work, well... then I start jumpin' up and down and screaming all over and pulling what's left o' my hair out.
post #206 of 464
Well I just finished reading all 14 pages and I seem to be in the same exact shoes as you. I bought my 8790 while I was in U.S. and now I am studying in Japan. I am experiencing artifacting, headphone jack not working properly (i have to wiggle the cable a bit for it to work), temperature being higher than it seems it should be, sound cutting out for a couple of seconds every couple of minutes, system hangs... My biggest problem right now is that this is my one and only computer, and I need to use it almost every day. So sending it back seems like a crazy option. Last thing I want to do is pay more $$$ on top of the large amount I spent on it in the first place. Do you have any suggetions on what I can do?

I was thinking of giving it a thorough cleaning (I have done only basic cleaing up to now) and I was wondering how far I can go before I void my warranty. I am not too happy about this situation, and after reading the forums I am not too happy to learn that it's not uncommon.

Not related to anything, but I use the "Jump" Cooling Solution. Those who live in Japan can probably guess what it is. It's not that different from the chopstick solution
post #207 of 464

wow

Wow friedtoast, i wish i read this a year ago. I have the same problem. ibuypower battalion SC series which = clevo D870P. only had the laptop for about a year. started artifacting when i was playing colin mcrae rally 2005, only got worse. temporarily underclocked it, but then no amount of underclocking could save it. Only had 1 year warranty on it (no extended warranty was offered), which really sucked. Total repair cost: $1085.

Bottom Line: Don't buy anything from ibuypower/clevo.

Now i'm saving up for an acer travelmate 8104 - 3 year complete care. pentium m 2.0ghz(performs ~ pentium 4 3.6Ghz) w/ mobility x700 (same memory bandwidth as mobility 9700, but more pipelines, pci-x, and better fill rate?) it's no 3.4Ghz EE, but it's also 6 lbs less then the d870p.

I was thinking, if overheating was an issue, does anyone know of any guides to take the 3.4Ghz EE & the motherboard out of the d870p, buy a massive VGA cooler, and put it in a desktop? I think this would be a better solution for me then to buy a new mobo every year, plus i really love the 3.4Ghz EE and would want to put it to some sort of use.
post #208 of 464
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And everyone thought I was probably dead... Been away from the forums for quite awhile. My how times flies. Amazing how having a life detracts from one's online life

Power problems
Here is my C&P'd msg to Sager:
Background: I have 2 power adapters. One at work and one at home. Both sit in semi-permanent locations (ie- are not ever moved from their spots). I simply unplug my 8790, take it to work (or vice versa), plug it in and go.
Yesterday morning, I awoke to my 8790 beeping at me (hibernation/battery low warning). I checked the connection and although the power cord was connected (nothing had changed- the computer had been plugged in since I got home the day before), it was not charging. That particular power supply had been making an odd tinny sound (fan bearing going out, perhaps?) for a few months and that sound has
ceased. So I assumed that the power supply had failed. Since I had another adapter at work, I wasn't too worried about it.
Upon arriving at work, I plugged into the work adapter and got booted up. Everything seemed to be fine. I left the room for about an hour or so. Upon coming back, the 8790 was exhibiting the same behavior as at home. When I wiggled the connector, the AC and Charging LEDs would come on. I'd also blown compressed air through the home adapter and tried it again- it didn't seem any worse or better than the work adapter. I removed the battery and tried to power up w/ only AC, but that failed.
So far, I can get the battery to start to charge by wiggling the connector. However, over time, the connection fails and charging stops. I'm assuming the problem is inside the power jack on the 8790's backside. Unless it's just the battery not wanting to hold a charge, thus making it *look* like a bad connection.
I would like to hear your thoughts on how to fix this.


I also made a note for them that the artifacting hadn't gone away. However, since I use the computer primarily for work and rarely for gaming, my main aim at the time is keeping it stable and running. Getting everything reworked for use here at my job here requires a lot of excess time, energy and having an outside tech come in to get everything squared away (so it's not just a minor fuss w/ reloading software). Major PITA all around, so I don't fuss with it much as long as I can get it to perform at work. Artifacting only happens in gaming at the present. Before the motherboard was replaced by Clevo, it happened on the desktop, too. If I can keep it contained to an occasional gaming session, then I'm satisfied for the time being. I'm not happy that I've got a unit that doesn't work right, but until I feel like taking time out from work to deal with this and shelling out big bucks for shipping it to/from the States, that's where I sit.

Feel like I've said all that before, but just wanted to update just in case anyone was wondering if anything's changed much since I was last around (and no, Boogieman, you don't count )
post #209 of 464
Thread Starter 
Well, so far my correspondence with Sager Support has been less than... optimistic. The tech I'm speaking to believes that the DC port-in is the problem. I can't say that I disagree. However, since I'd sent in my unit to Clevo for repair on the artifacting issue (and I'd mentioned that the artifacting wasn't 100% fixed- just good enough to be usable for work), the tech states that I need to contact Clevo. I asked how that was related to the DC port-in problem, but have received no answer to that particular question. I'm ready to bang my head here. Nice machine, but has hardly worked at 100% capacity since I got it. Don't think I even got 6 months out of it before it started misbehaving. I've eked a year and a half out of it now, but only by not playing any system stressing games on it. Support before seemed quick and helpful. This time, somewhat quick and not very helpful.

/grumpy
post #210 of 464
Looks like "last mantainer is the owner" - especially if you weren't completely satisfied with the previous service. I suspect that this is not really unusual, unless you are willing to fork over a lot of $$$$s to ship it back to Sager so that they can repair it. If your warranty is still active, I'd go that route. Who knows, parts may not be available and you could get a replacement machine (doubt it though). I'd contact Clevo if you don't have an extended warranty and see what they say.
post #211 of 464
Thread Starter 
Yeah, not sure how that all works out... only did it because I wanted to save $$$ in the shipping process, so might've shot myself in the foot in having done so. As for shipping it back, I figured that's what needs to be done. If the DC port-in is shot, then I would assume that's built-in to the motherboard. That'd be the 2nd motherboard replacement for this machine. My very first notebook, a Fujitsu, was also on its way to a 2nd motherboard replacement before it was stolen by a FutureShop employee with sticky fingers. Heck if I don't have all the luck...

I do have the extended warranty through Warrantech. If I remember right from the first time, their stance is: Contact whoever it takes, fix it, pay for it and send us a receipt. PITA.

*frustrated*
post #212 of 464
Good thing I bought a warranty from Phillips.

So Toast, when it gets back, I'm going to assume that the AC Power slot will be fixed/replaced. If that's good, then it should be your first priority to completely wipe the drive (I mean Start -> Run -> cmd -> format C and completely start from scratch like G-Ohama and I said back in April. The mobo is less than a year old (I think according to the post dates) and it seemed to artifact when you updated the video drivers.

PITA as it may be, you're still getting your money back with Warrantech's warranty, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.

If you do this and still have problems, then I'd suggest cursing at someone with a Sager name badge.
post #213 of 464
Thread Starter 
I should've wiped it and reinstalled immediately after getting it back from Clevo/Taiwan. But like I'd explained off the boards to you, it's an immense PITA, so I figured I'd see if I could go w/o. At this point, I'm down and out no matter what, so it wouldn't make sense not to do the full meal deal.

Thing is, I really have no faith in this machine performing as I expect it to. So I'm considering selling it once it's repaired by Sager and getting something new. New 5720 looks good, but I'm not sure if I want to go through all this hassle again if it's got as many issues as the 8790 did for me.
post #214 of 464
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Backup problem

Got the green light from Sager the other day to RMA my machine. Still have it. What's the problem you say? Well, heck if I can get my HD backed up. I had most everything backed up, but not everything. I want everything saved just in case Sager has to wipe it.

I have an external case that I just bought recently to replace a previous one that seems to've wonked out on me. Put my 80gig 5400 drive in there and seems to work just fine. Pulled the 60gig 7200 out of the Sager, stuck it in there and I get a "disk structure is corrupted and unreadable." WTH? Tried it on my Sony FX-120 and it was similar in not reading it, just w/o the nasty error msg. Tried a work computer and it acted like I'd connected up a disk drive and I hadn't put in a CD.

I'd really like to get this thing on the move and have been banging my head on this for awhile now. Any clues?
post #215 of 464
hmmm... try some utility software? http://iolo.com/. You can download a 30 day demo of one of their products and see if any of them help.
post #216 of 464
Thread Starter 
Thank you. Will see what I can do w/ that. Think I had some data recovery software that I'd gotten somewhere else... but think it's on the 8790's drive

Just tried again and realize that XP's treating it as a DVD-RAM drive. 何だこれ??


Edit: Tried the trial version of their recovery software. No go. Said the drive was unformatted or incompatible. THAT's news to me... Do I have gremlins in my 8790?
post #217 of 464
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Originally Posted by FriedToast
Thank you. Will see what I can do w/ that. Think I had some data recovery software that I'd gotten somewhere else... but think it's on the 8790's drive

Just tried again and realize that XP's treating it as a DVD-RAM drive. ‰½‚¾‚±‚êHH


Edit: Tried the trial version of their recovery software. No go. Said the drive was unformatted or incompatible. THAT's news to me... Do I have gremlins in my 8790?
Pls review your post in the 8790 section.
post #218 of 464
Thread Starter 
Like G asked in my thread in the 8790 Support section, the 60gig that I'm trying to access is the main boot disk from my 8790 (for anyone else that might've been wondering).
post #219 of 464
Thread Starter 
Travelstar 60gb backup update
Bought another USB external case last night after work. Didn't make a spot of difference. Tried running Scandisk on the drive, but still get a Drive is Unformatted or Corrupted error. Very disheartening. More disheartening that the recovery software posted above by Col. Wild basically hit the same wall. I was thinking of trying out Advanced Data Recovery's software. Will post the results if I give it a whirl.

Having spoken with Sager about this, the possibility of the HD having gone bad was raised. This seems odd that it'd hit at the same time as the DC power-in port. I wonder if there's any way that the two could be connected? DC power-in port goes wonky and causes some sort of power surge? I have no clue. Drive never showed any signs (to my knowledge) of problems previously.
post #220 of 464
Both instances of failure is likely if there was a power surge. I've had two DVD drives and 3 HDD's fried concurrently in a desktop when the power supply went bonkers on me. A $35 power supply completely fried another $1,500 worth of equipment (at the time DVD ODD writers and Large HDDs were very very dear).

The only way to really check out the HDD is to partition it and that will delete all of you information/data - something I believe that you don't want to do. Maybe a afriend has a laptop that you could swap the HDDs with and see it it even boots or is recognized on that laptop. Tru, that some of the drivers and what not would not be the same, but it should work if the HT settings are the same for the WIN/OS (I'm assuming that is what you are running).
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