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post #61 of 464
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Speaker noise
Not sure if I'd had this problem before with my wired Intellimouse Explorer, but I think I posted about having had it (too lazy to look at the moment). But I know this is new with my current mouse. I was just scrolling with my Logitech MX500 Bluetooth mouse and am getting feedback buzzing through the external speakers that I've got plugged in to the unit. I might not have noticed previously as I probably had Winamp playing mp3s or something, preventing me from noticing.
However, I'm looking at getting a 2nd Bluetooth mouse for work and at work, I don't have any background tunes to drown out sound problems like that. On the other hand, I don't have external speakers at work, so as long as the sounds don't emanate from my onboard speakers (which at this moment, they don't), all should be ok for work.
Minor grumpiness, tho'. It's going to require fixing at some point. Bad design, maybe, in regards to the sound issues? I'll have to look around when I get the chance.
post #62 of 464
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USB issue
Just now came up w/ my first USB problem. At work, put my unit into Standby (as usual), came home, powered it up (having first plugged in 2 external HDs, one 2.5" 80gig & one 3.5" 120gig). Got a message telling me that a Hi-Speed USB device was plugged into a non Hi-Speed hub. Uh, excuse me, WHAT? Please repeat that for us slow people. I unplugged each of the drives and plugged them back in (using the rear ports). Seemed to be the self-powered 3.5" 120gig HD that was/is giving me that msg. Doesn't make the least bit of sense to me as:

1) It's a USB 2.0 port, therefore it is "Hi-Speed."
2) It's never complained about this drive before (was hooked up this morning before work just fine- as usual).

XP was even nice enough to open up a box showing me that I had 8 ports to choose from that were Hi-Speed and that I should pick one. I'm kicking myself now for not getting a screenshot (just thought of it as I typed this). But really, eight HUBS? Huh? WTF?

3 USB 2.0 ports. Ok, there's 3 accounted for. Where are the other 5?
Would the card reader count somehow? Would it count for 1? or 7 since it takes 7 different kinds of cards? Or 4 since there are only 4 slots? Any way you slice it, it doesn't add up to the 5 required to fill in where the original 3 USB 2.0 ports left off (unless they're getting counted twice somehow, but that still doesn't clear up the math for me).

The dialog box seems to've gone away in the taskbar now, so I'm not sure if it was just playing with me or if it's just gone into hiding because it knows I will smash it with hurricane fury, sending away forever into the void if I find it.

Maybe the puter's grumpy and wants to be rebooted. Whether it's that or not, it's still very weird. At least to me. Maybe I just worked too hard today and can't see the obvious in front o' my face.
post #63 of 464
[quote=FriedToast]USB issue
Got a message telling me that a Hi-Speed USB device was plugged into a non Hi-Speed hub. QUOTE]


I have that problem when i firrst install the windows on my desktop.
U probably installed some new program or driver that affected the USB driver.

Solution is easy , install the USB drivers from the drivers cd from sager(don't know if ur sager has them on the cd).

I have intel motherboard and have them on an intel drivers cd.The two rear USB work fine after windows installation but the fronnt ones need the driver to work properly or else if there's no driver it would say that same message u encountered.
post #64 of 464
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Thank you, Atype, but the thing is, I haven't installed anything lately. Nothing new's been added to my system that I can think of as of late. There's been no change, so I don't understand why it would alluva sudden pop up like it has. I used to have that problem w/ my Sony all the time, but it was a USB 1.1 motherboard with a PCMCIA USB 2.0 4 port card- it was always grumping at me about that sort of thing. To have my 8790 do the same for no reason is what bothers me.
post #65 of 464
Fried,

You have the convertional 3 USB 2.0 devices. I think that one of them (bottom rear) can be a bit quirky.

Then there are these USB 1.1 devices:

Camera
WiFi
BlueTooth
7-in-1 Card

I don't know if the 7-in-1 uses one or two USB connections (IBM Drive might need the extra port).

Sometimes Windows does not behave correctly if you plugged the drives into different ports that were initially assigned. The message you are getting is that the port was sensed as a slow speed (USB 1.1 Standard) and the device was sensed as a high speed (USB 2.0 Standard). Which port did you have the "offending" device plugged into?
post #66 of 464
lets see, possible solutions:

1)uninstal all usb drivers, reboot and then reinstall them (be sure to have allneccessary drivers!)
2)Update USB Drivers
3)Install SP1 (u probably have it)
4)Don't connect any 1.1 usb try using usb2 devices alone
5)Install windows again (That's boring)
6)try restore point
7)Search internet for answers (maybe in microsoft.com, or forums)

Who can continue ?
post #67 of 464
Quote:
Originally Posted by FriedToast
[i]Used your laptop all night... installed KotOR, Age of Mythology, and the latest Myst game. Also installed Visual Basic 6. I'm working on a side project programming a game idea into basic. I haven't programmed since high school so I'm stumbling along. Anyways, your laptop is fun to code on.
The screen is very nice and I set it up so that games won't stretch and will stay true to their pixel ratios. The latest Myst game is the most graphic-intensive game right now and your machine did just fine.
Hi FriedToast,

Could you possible ask your friend how the new Myst game looked. It's called URU. And I wanted to find out if it supported widescreen or not. When he played it, did the image look all stretched and strange, or does URU actually support widescreen LCDs?

Thank you,
:L:
post #68 of 464
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atype007
lets see, possible solutions:

1)uninstal all usb drivers, reboot and then reinstall them (be sure to have allneccessary drivers!)
2)Update USB Drivers
3)Install SP1 (u probably have it)
4)Don't connect any 1.1 usb try using usb2 devices alone
5)Install windows again (That's boring)
6)try restore point
7)Search internet for answers (maybe in microsoft.com, or forums)

Who can continue ?
0). Ignore it and hope it goes away with the next boot. I think that 1-6 are overkille and 7) may be a waste of time f this is a one-time instance after returning from "sleep" mode.
post #69 of 464
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G, it was indeed the rear bottom port that was acting huffy. My 80gig also started giving me wacky errors last night. Delayed Write Failure to J:/Mft$ or something like that. I unplugged it because I was tired of the box popping up occasionally. I was busy file-transferring something to someone and talking on IM, so I didn't reboot. I'm going to do that before work. I figured that rebooting would be my first try at a remedy. I don't think it's necessary a problem w/ the hardware. I think it's more a problem w/ Windows getting bent out of shape somehow at some point. I wasn't too concerned at this point because I hadn't rebooted and I wanted to try that first.

Just woke up, so once I get ready for work, it'll be reboot time. See if the gremlins'll disappear.

And I did get a screenshot of the odd USB Root Drive message. Saw it again, so I snagged a screenshot. I've still got a bunch of pics to show, darn it. I will find a picture host one o' these days...
post #70 of 464
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Uru-Ages Beyond Myst
nuyork, Uru looks good, but it's not widescreen. It's at 1280Xwhatever resolution right now. It looks really good- just not widescreen (at least, 1440x900 isn't in the resolution selection box).

I just asked him via IM what his thoughts on Myst: Uru were and this is what he said:
It's one of the best looking games out there if your system can handle it. I had some problems with the game itself... buggy and things wouldn't work so it was impossible to tell if you were doing things right.

Kind of how I felt. Played a little, but not much. Hope that helps!
post #71 of 464
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USB Issue Rebooted
A simple reboot seems to've made everyone in my computer happy again (as both G and I suspected). Windows is such a fussy little thing sometimes. I tend to leave my computer on for as long as possible, so it doesn't necessarily surprise me when they show up. It just surprises me at what does show up. Weird stuf.

Being that I've not wanted to reinstall XP yet, I've still yet to get my 2nd HD installed. What a pain in the butt in order to install a non-RAID drive. Blah.
post #72 of 464
Quote:
Originally Posted by FriedToast
[b]nuyork, Uru looks good, but it's not widescreen. It's at 1280Xwhatever resolution right now. It looks really good- just not widescreen (at least, 1440x900 isn't in the resolution selection box).
So how does it look?? Is the image all stretched?? Or are there black bars on the left and right side of the widescreen so that there is no stretching?

Thanks,
:L:
post #73 of 464
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You can set the screen to run games in non-stretched mode. Mine is set that way, so it will play any game just fine with no stretching- all games will look as they are meant to look with this setting. I only empasize that so that anyone not familiar w/ the 8790 will know that it is possible and that having a widescreen does not mean that one will automatically suffer from stretching on older/non-widescreen compatible games.

What happens is that there are black bars on the edges. Not a big deal at all. Once I get immersed in a game, you don't even think about the bars. Just consider the black bars the frame of your screen and *poof* as soon as you're in the game, they're "gone." Uru looks good, nuyork. There's no distortion whatsoever. Gameplay's a bit different. Frustrating to me, so I haven't played it much. My friend who installed it initially got frustrated w/ it, too. But it looks Good!
post #74 of 464
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Mobmeter Temp
I decided to pull my Chopstick Cooling solution out from under my lil beast to see what the temp would default to. Under no load whatsover and w/ my Chopstick solution in place, I was getting a fairly solid 45C via Mobmeter.

After pulling the chopsticks, the temps slowly rose and have steadied out @ 49~50C. Quite a difference.

Please note that this surface is a Japanese tatami mat. Not a smooth, cool surface like a table, so that needs to be taken into consideration.

With that in mind, make sure to use chopsticks when you're in Japan

Edit: Shortly after posting this, I put the chopsticks back and my temp immediately started headed back down to 45C.
post #75 of 464
FT,

You might consider flipping that CPU fan and making it an intake rather than an exhaust fan. My new unit (and as variety of other's have reported - the old units) all have this as an intake port. I think the label was applied to the wrong side of some of the fans and they were installed incorrectly (always label on top regardless of actual air flow). I wonder if that simple change could cause a couple of degree temp reduction on it's own?

My new unit is running a pretty constant 42/43C with temperature increases corresponding to the change in the room temperature or increased load on the machine.

Also the table area, under the laptop, now remains cool. It was "toasty" when I used the old machine - even warmer than the Left Side Wrist rest during periods of extremely high system load.
post #76 of 464
Quote:
With that in mind, make sure to use chopsticks when you're in Japan
dual-ly noted

hope i dont have the same problems your having when i arrive
post #77 of 464
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G, thanks for the advice. However, after I posted that, I fell asleep. Now that I've woken up, I see that the temp settled in @ 42C for the entire time I was asleep. Now that I'm pokin' away at the keyboard, it's up to 43C. Since it's exactly in line w/ where you're at now, I figure I'll leave it be for the time being.

And Jovox, if you ever need anything, just drop me a line
ぜんぜん大丈夫だよ。頑張ってね!
post #78 of 464
Maybe it's just me, but all this people in asia ordering from USA. Why not ordering directly from Japan or Taiwan?
post #79 of 464
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Reasons why I ordered from PCT and not locally:

Availability. I couldn't find any shops that sold the 8790 when I ordered it. Someone posted a link to an online shop in this thread and I've since passed that along to others here in Japan, but I didn't know about it at the time.

Support/Service. I was very antsy about support issues overseas. Still am, but as of the initial offering of the 8790, PCT added Overseas support. Excellent. I've dealt with enough people at various shops around the Sapporo area and I can confidently say that most of them couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag if it was stuck over their heads. On a $3000 unit, I want to know that when I've got a problem, there's going to be an intelligent hooman bean listening to me complain. Customer Service as you know it in the US is not the same here in Japan. There are exceptions (as to every "rule," but for the most part, I think US companies generally have pretty darn good CS).

English. I want an English keyboard. I want English Windows. I want English support. Want those in Japan? Good luck. Available, but not readily. Did find a Clevo reseller online that offered English Windows and English Support. However, they didn't offer the 8790 and it took them about 3 days to answer my initial email. Tom from PCT generally answers within a few hours. THAT is service. Also, have you ever tried explaining an error message to someone that wasn't a computer enthusiast? They have no clue what the wording in error messages mean, do they? Now try the same thing in a foreign language. Good luck.

Options. I can't speak for any other Asian countries or even all the Clevo resellers in Japan, but the ones I did find weren't very accomodating in the options category. One place was adamant that the card reader wasn't available as an option on the 4780 (well, the corresponding Clevo model). I showed them my 8790 w/ card reader, but that didn't work- "Different model," they said. Uh-huh. Total lack of caring about whether or not I bought from them or not. There was only one place that genuinely seemed to want to deal with me and they didn't have Clevos. Had Clevo/Sager not entered the picture, I would've considered buying a Toshiba from them.


Those are basic outlines of what I used as criteria for my decision. There was a lot of time spent wringing my hands and fretting about this. One more factor was that I didn't know how long I'd be in Japan. If I returned to the States, then ev'thing would be cake regarding returns/RMAs. If I bought in Japan and returned to the States, I can imagine nothing but a nightmare. No thank you.

This might seem somewhat harsh. Perhaps it is. But it's the truth as I've found it to be. I'm not saying everywhere and everyone is like this- merely what I've experienced. I have high expectations when it comes to Customer Service and I'm living in a place where the customer doesn't always come first. That fact cost Hypersonic a sale, too. I don't hold nationality against anyone. Facts are facts- I don't color them. Japanese companies lost my sale. Hypersonic lost mine, too, due to non-existance Customer Service. Eurocom might have gotten my sale had PCT not started selling the 8790 when they did. My brief encounter w/ Eurocom's CS was a positive one.

I call it as I see it. That's why I didn't buy from Japan. As for Taiwan, I was planning a trip there w/ another gaijin in Japan, but it never panned out. Thought about trying to pick one up there, but once again, it's a matter of language. And I don't know many ppl there to help out, so I figured it was an even longer shot. Not worth the risk. There's a thread about someone looking for an 8790 equivalent in Taiwan and it seems like more trouble than it's worth.

Oh, I forgot to add: Warranty. 3 yrs plus export coverage through PCT/Warrantech. I didn't find anything equal to it here in Japan.


*Steps off soapbox*
Just my 1/2 cent worth
(and yeah, if you can't tell, these issues make me grumpy )
post #80 of 464
Um, how do you figure Hypersonic has a non-existent customer service? I have personally dealth with them on 2 occasions and they have been nothing short of superb.

You should also keep in mind that though PC Torque has a great reputation for handling the sales process, you are pretty much at the mercy of Sager after your purchase, and it is Sager that is lacking in that department. See resellerratings.com:

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2081.html

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1693.html
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