E1705/M1710/M1730 FRAPS Benchmarks Thread - Page 3  

Ya,I didn't like it much,ended up throwing it in the trash,a modded version is not really the best to compare with either....does the mod give better frame rates ?cause those FPS are better than the AW 9750 in that toms hardware review....but oblivion might be one of those games that like a single card rather than SLI.

Diefool,whats wrong with using the GRAW2 demo,as long as everybody's on the same page

I will grab the demo, np.

The mod for oblivion actually is a bumpmap upgrade. dunno if it makes it better.?
it makes it look cooler.

i am overclocked 650/730 btw on my fx2500 on oblivion. i get 60+ fps inside too.

if I take off the mod, I get better FPS.

2007-10-17 23:17:46 - Bioshock
Frames: 1003 - Time: 35765ms - Avg: 28.044 - Min: 19 - Max: 31

that's 1900x1200 maxed everything.

so. I am glad to have my system.

plus I haven't put in my t7600 yet. still got my t2250.

I also turned off the natrual mod on oblivion. it made no difference. all it makes is the leaves and grass/water look better.

Well,taken from your high res bioshock fraps,I still can't see this huge difference that everybody is talking about the 8700M crumbling at high res.

You did it at stock clocks?

you paid how much for your rig?

and I paid how much for mine.

I can go head to head with yours.

you have 2 cards, i have 1.

go figure?

now, if you had dual 7950's or dual 7900's then it wouldn't be a contest. it would kill my rig!!

For 2 video cards, if you had a bigger bus. you should be killing me. (2 cards!!!) like$3000+ rig


the "beast" should be doing way better than an inspiron 9400. I would say that is crumbling at high res don't you????

So your changing your tune now?

You have an ugly laptop that the paint wears off the palmrest in 5 mins,no raid 0,no numerical pad,no backlit keyboard,no logitech lcd,no upgrade path to something better,no 2.8 ghz cpu[if you want],no 800fsb,no option of a second hard drive without loosing your optical drive,your graphics card is as optimised as its going to get [no ones worked out how to oclock the sli 8700 yet,but the cooling system is easily enough to cool insane speeds if allowable]

So,you see,if you want to throw shit around,I can do it too,this is supposed to be a thread where people are calmly posting non bullshit fraps benchmarks to see what everybodies rig does,presumably stock,like I've said to others before,I didn't really care whether the 1730 is better or worse than the model its replacing,graphically,I bought it because of some of the above.

You and a couple of others,meanwhile,seem to have some sort of hidden agenda of trying to persuade people not to buy this notebook,for god knows what reason....maybe to make yourself feel better?

FYI,it cost me 3298.00 NZ which is roughly 2500.00 USD,which is pretty cheap for a lot of laptop.

And yours probably doesn't go head to head with mine either,especially at lower resolution,where most people will be running the newer games coming up including you and others that have M1710's.

Now,go and die...fool

I knew this thread would turn into a e-peen pissing match....so I'm out,I was prepared to try any benchmarks at diff res's for the curiosity of people,but thanks to Mr Fool.....na,its all a bit too 16 year old for me now.

Enjoy your obsolete lappie there fool.

Gerry there is no hidden agenda (atleast not from me) , i happen to love the 1730, im going by everything thats been posted to this point about it .

I have read every review and seen all the comparisons over the web about its performance , my use of the word crumbling was because everyone knows that the 8700s/8600s happen to not do well at high resolutions and thats not made up crap its fact.

Im actually happy to see your lappy getting better numbers then everyone elses ive seen to date on the web to this point. there is no comparison between your new laptop and someones old laptop nor the need to defend your purchase bro, enjoy what you have , my only gripe to this point is if i actually take the plunge and buy a 1730 now is i have be able to play all my games in native res or I (me) wont be happy but not everyone feels like me .

that's my point. that the "beast" should be alble to do good natvely. and way better than the xps m1710.

and that's all I originaly said. m1730 < high resolutons. as in if it goes at par with a 7900gtx it isn't doing all that well. it should be way better than that. (hence the restrictions by the cards bus.)

blame it on me huh?

All I said was that the m1730 doesn't do that well at high res.

Gerry, I have been following this post since it started.. and every time somebody with an E1705 or M1710 popped in with better marks you have said things like 'oh the game is modded and doesn't compare' or 'the testing is inaccurate because there are too many variables' or even 'nobody will game at high res anyway'. Dude, I don't care and probably nobody else here does that people are buying the M1730. The realism though, is that the current graphics solution is NOT better than what was in the previous generation. Just because you bought one and are fighting to give it a chance, doesn't mean others have to pass around false information about the product. The tests are there... its fact now not opinion - dual 8700M's aren't going to blow the 7950GTX out of the water. Its unfair for anyone to try and hide this FACT from people just to justify their own purchase. Diefool simply stated his findings in relation to the other scores posted in this thread... YOU were the one that got all defensive about it.

You say you bought the machine because of all the extra goodies that came with it... RAID, backlit keyboard, gaming LCD, etc. Thats great. Nobody is knocking you for wanting the latest technology man. The fact remains that Dell markets the M1730 as a gaming Beast. Even with all the other goodies, it just doesn't keep up right now with the system it was meant to replace. Eventually down the line, they will have a new graphics card to throw in there that will likely own everything else out there... but we are discussing the here and now.

So... keep the benchmarks coming in guys. Gerry, if you don't want to participate, thats your deal. So far this has been a great thread for getting some benchmarks recorded, and I hope it continues in this manner. As a matter of fact, lets just keep this as a benchmarks thread and not as an opinion article, that way nobody has to complain when somebody elses E-peen grows out of control...

Kraziepop,like your impartial as well,considering a month ago you were saying threads about this model were a waste of space.

Please quote me on all those times in this thread I have said "oh,the game is modded and doesn't compare" are you talking about the ONCE,I said to diefool that a modded version of oblivion is probably not the best to compare with ?

Variables...yes there is a huge scope for variables using this benchmarking method,you could stand there looking at a wall for the minute the benchmark is running,if you were that way inclined.

Sure its no great graphics upgrade over the M1710,but its definitely from what I've seen,no worse,even at high res[if you have some info to the contrary,please show me]zyb's benchmarks of graw2 at 1920x1200 were faster than TT's @ 1440x900.......my bioshock fraps @ native were no worse than diefools probably overclocked scores......I'm still waiting for the 8700 crumbling at high resolutions proof to arrive....where's this realism your talking about KP ?.

Do you seriously think any of the current XPS1710,1730,AW9750,sager or whatever is going to play some of the new shader intensive games [eg crysis] at 1920x1200 and full settings....cause I don't,particularly as they can't even play a 2 year old game like oblivion at those settings with good playable rates....I think you guys only see what you want to see,if you take the article by toms hardware comparing the 1730 to 9750,some like minded people to you,pick out what they want to pick out like "pay particular attention to pages 7 and 8" because thats the worst bit about the 1730,why not say,read the whole article and the end rating to find out the 1730 isn't the big disaster we were all predicting and is actually a pretty good overall performer,even if it is less powerful than a sli 7950GTX at HIGH res[and they neutered the 1730 performance more by using vista]

Its all about balanced opinions to me,considering I have just about zero interest in benchmarks or having 3 fps better than the next guy,I came into this thread to offer a balanced performance comparison to previous hardware, good or bad,then when I start showing that it isn't as bad as some of you haters were believing,diefool starts going on about how much my laptop costs and how his can match it,how the "beast" should absolutely kill his notebook,when five minutes earlier he had been saying it probably wouldn't even match the 7900.

I look forward to you substantiating your,"it just doesn't keep up right now with the system it was meant to replace" with some review or benchmarks which show without a doubt that it truely gets left in the dust by the 1710....because as far as I'm concerned ,its all hearsay so far.

i think you just quoted yourself.

Ok, let me make this clear. I never said threads about this model were a waste of space. What I said was, there was really no need for so many different threads that all said the same things over and over again... hence the sticky at the top of the forum now... (though it seems many people here just don't read the stickies anyway)

As far as proving my point? Have you read any of the other threads on this matter? I don't have the time myself to go and dig up the numerous threads 'proving' that the current graphics solution sucks. Yet, I am not knocking the M1730 in general - it will kick some serious ass when they upgrade the graphics I am sure. The fact is, Dell felt the need to refresh their lineup now instead of waiting for a high end solution. Thus their implementation with DUAL graphics cards and 8700's still struggles to keep up with the old 7900 series. Sure they will offer an upgrade program (so they say)... but see, I am not the kind of guy who is willing to go out and spend a ton of money on a Corvette that only comes with a V6 (figuratively obviously, they don't make a Vette with a 6 cylinder) just to go back and dump a bunch more money on it again when the V8 comes around. Guess who wins there? Yep, Dell. They get your money twice... and you can bet it will still cost you more to upgrade than it would have to buy it preinstalled in the system already. Hey, its your money though. This is why so many of us were trying to convey the facts before too many people went out and snagged one of these right now. This forum is about facts and figures, and the operators and long time users here would be doing a disservice to the rest of the community by not giving others ALL the details about something new on the block. We all love Dell in one way or another here, otherwise we wouldn't stick around. I just don't want to see a bunch of people pick up an M1730, just to find out later that it doesn't do any better on the games they play than their old system. Those people will get mad and smear Dell's name and say bad things about them because their Beast isn't such a beast after all...

So like I said, don't get mad when people try to convey the facts around here... When Dell finally gets upgraded graphics in this 'Beast', and it proves to be a worthy contender to the previous lineup - THEN I will also be in here drooling over benchmarks and wishing I could sell my first born for a new XPS. Right now, however, its just not that darn impressive for the price. Oh, and yes your NZ price is very nice for that system. However most of us here stateside and in Canada, have to pay out the wazoo for this thing right now. So for now, at least where I live, the price/performance ratio leans very favorably towards the M1710 still. If I had $6,000 laying around right now, its more likely I would pay off my car loan first anyway!

I'll do some benches when I get home @ 1920x1200 with the i9400 in my signature. I can run UT2004, Half Life 2 Episode 2, F.E.A.R. demo, FarCry, and UT 3 beta demo.

very well said.

2007-10-18 17:44:12 - Death to Spies 1900x1200 full aa cranked
Frames: 2231 - Time: 38119ms - Avg: 58.527 - Min: 36 - Max: 62

WOrld n Conflict. 1900x1200 Very High Cranked.
2007-10-18 17:47:57 - wic
Frames: 962 - Time: 42171ms - Avg: 22.812 - Min: 12 - Max: 32

Call Of Duty 4 1900x1200 trilinear maxed.
2007-10-18 17:57:14 - iw3sp
Frames: 1603 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 26.717 - Min: 12 - Max: 60

2007-10-18 19:53:23 - Oblivion outside no mods 1900x1200 cranked
Frames: 1105 - Time: 41518ms - Avg: 26.615 - Min: 17 - Max: 32

2007-10-18 19:55:23 - Oblivion inside 1900x1200 cranked
Frames: 1881 - Time: 39510ms - Avg: 47.608 - Min: 23 - Max: 62
575---700

stock 7950

2007-10-18 20:04:11 - TimeShift_Demo 1920x1200 cranked all textures cranked aa 8x etc...
Frames: 1014 - Time: 31556ms - Avg: 32.133 - Min: 10 - Max: 65

^^^Oc'd to 650/730