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post #1 of 42
10/8/07 at 8:21pm
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http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/...el_processing/



Here is a good articcle so people can get a general idea of what to expect between the single/dual/quad setups. Synthetics are pretty to look at, but performance is the ultimate goal...


Take a look & see what you think.
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post #2 of 42
10/8/07 at 11:09pm
Nice post Sol! Sorta wish I had a dual core right about now
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post #3 of 42
10/8/07 at 11:12pm
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Nice post Sol! Sorta wish I had a dual core right about now

Same here. I think my quad runs too hot. 60C running tv and internet. 80C, if I run the quad version of prime95.
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post #4 of 42
10/9/07 at 12:18am
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Same here. I think my quad runs too hot. 60C running tv and internet. 80C, if I run the quad version of prime95.

what cpu do you have?
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post #5 of 42
10/9/07 at 12:25am
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what cpu do you have?

The QX6700. There are people water cooling them. I could, but I guess I can play the non stress route with it.
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post #6 of 42
10/9/07 at 1:25am
yeah I read the article this morning, pretty neat, I just got me 8 core system so I really like to see software developer push out the multi-thread and 64 bit software.
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post #7 of 42
10/9/07 at 1:59am
I haven't gotten my Q6600 off 13*C... beginning to think that EVEREST isn't taking an accurate reading. Either way, running Photoshop, Flash and After Effects while playing music and download a file is a beautiful thing. My case is blowing cool air all the time, and the CPU fan doesn't go on high unless it's hot in the room.

I'm really glad I got a Quad-Core.
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post #8 of 42
10/9/07 at 2:52am
I'm glad I'm waiting for 45nm.. =)
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post #9 of 42
10/9/07 at 8:58am
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I haven't gotten my Q6600 off 13*C... beginning to think that EVEREST isn't taking an accurate reading. Either way, running Photoshop, Flash and After Effects while playing music and download a file is a beautiful thing. My case is blowing cool air all the time, and the CPU fan doesn't go on high unless it's hot in the room. I'm really glad I got a Quad-Core.
Definitely a false read. My Q idles at about 30C and pops up to about 51C under load. Crysis probably pushes it higher using all 4 cores. Also, although I need to reapply AS5....OC'ing will probably still be crap. I can't lift it to even 2.6 without a problem. I don't even think it's heat, 59C according to [H] seems relatively low actually, it seems many will push it to 65-70C So I'd rather 45nm or dual 65nm. I'll deal with the quad as long as I can though, no more money spending for me
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post #10 of 42
10/9/07 at 11:34am
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Yeah that's why I went with DC. Lower temps, higher OC potential (sig), and the lack of apps that currently utilize QC's.

I can run Crysis (Beta) -(AA is not available on it yet, nor is DX10, or very high vid options) at around 85FPS on my rig, it drops to about 65 when a nuke goes off. And let me tell you the nukes are fricking beautiful ( you can even see the shockwave) ...Not to mention the water puts Bioshock to shame...


when DX10 is ported to is & AA/AF is available it should be cool. But let me tell you now, you do not need DX10 to see some amazing effects. As a side note relating to this article, dual cores are not even fully utilized (yet). In the most intense situations I have not exceeded 72% usage of the cores. I even ran a RAR compression in the background while playing & it ran smooth as silk.
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post #11 of 42
10/9/07 at 1:31pm

SupCom & Intel Core 2 Quad Gameplay Advantages

I am suprised on the choice of 3d games they used not at all very up to date if you ask me.

If they would of shown Supreme Commander in the mix, then they would see Quad Cores pulling twice as many fps at Standard widescreen resolutions. Supreme Commander is the first pc game that utilizes all four cores.

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Supreme Commander is one of the first games to feature out-of-the-box multi-core processor support. Will a quad-core CPU really show better gameplay? Real world gameplay results plus Vista versus XP performance findings with SupCom.

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These results are quite conclusive; if you want the best gaming experience possible, an Intel Core 2 Quad quad-core processor will provide it. However, if you have dual-core, an acceptable gaming experience can still be achieved. With dual-core it would be more advantageous to stick with Windows XP for now since it provides faster performance. If you are going to run Windows Vista you will have to downgrade some in-game settings which do impact visual quality in the game negatively. The single-core results are very surprising as this game is simply not playable at all on either OS in our opinion. This is truly the first game where at least a dual-core CPU is “required” to have a gameplay experience.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

Quad=Future proof
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post #12 of 42
10/9/07 at 1:55pm
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Actually while SupCom does use all 4 cores, it doesn't use them efficiently. The difference betwen Dual & quad wasn't all that much in most situations, but it definitely does show an increase in performance. Perhaps they will optimize it further in the next several months.

I would have liked to see an actual comparison between a DC & QC proc, not just a software diabling of the cores.

Now if you look at the graph, it's a litlte confusing, because on top the "BLUE" is notated as Dual core enabled, but undr the graph "BLUE" is said to be Quad core enabled lol


http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/image....VfNF81X2wuZ2lm
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post #13 of 42
10/9/07 at 2:49pm

Multi-Core Confrontation: Core 2 Quad Q6600 vs. Core 2 Duo E6850

Yeah, it wasn't a very good comparison, but mostly a taste of what is to come.

With Crysis being said to be optimized for quad core and vista 64, you're going to see why Quad Core is the way to go with games.


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So, we think Core 2 Quad Q6600 seems to be a much more attractive offering these days than Core 2 Duo E6850.

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Nevertheless, we shouldn’t forget that most upcoming applications and games are being designed with multi-threading in mind. That is why Core 2 Quad Q6600 may be a more promising solution even if used in its nominal mode.

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/dis...0_2.html#sect0

On supreme commander the E6850@3.85ghz cannot keep up with a stock running Q6600@ 2.4ghz



The Q6600 is Cheapest @ $265
The E6850 is Cheapest @ $275
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post #14 of 42
10/9/07 at 3:07pm
I'm not knocking DualCore at all, but for gaming now, the best choice is a Quad.
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post #15 of 42
10/9/07 at 4:05pm
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I respect your opinion, but I don't agree 99.9% of all games do not have quad support. less than (estimation) 10% even support dual core.
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post #16 of 42
10/9/07 at 4:35pm
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yeah I read the article this morning, pretty neat, I just got me 8 core system so I really like to see software developer push out the multi-thread and 64 bit software.

Specs?
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post #17 of 42
10/9/07 at 4:53pm
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I respect your opinion, but I don't agree 99.9% of all games do not have quad support. less than (estimation) 10% even support dual core.

did you read the last link I posted? the link in your original post, were testing older games at low rez, with min graphic settings. push the cpus more and you see what happens. quad is future proof. that's all I'm saying. more and more games are coming that use all four cores.

a dual core running at 3.85ghz can't keep up with a quad running at stock at 2.4ghz.... that can't be overlooked.
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post #18 of 42
10/9/07 at 5:14pm
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Yes I just read the graph you posted & all it shows is that the game is NOT CPU limited, it is GPU limited. The 5 FPS difference is nothing. Increasing the quad from 2.4 to 3.6 yeilded a 2 FPS boost. The Core 2 performs in a similar fashion.
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post #19 of 42
10/9/07 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by SolApathy View Post
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/...el_processing/



Here is a good articcle so people can get a general idea of what to expect between the single/dual/quad setups. Synthetics are pretty to look at, but performance is the ultimate goal...


Take a look & see what you think.

you wanted performance, I showed you the q6600 out performs a dual. I also meant did you read the link. not the picture.

I don't quite understand your argument.. are you looking at this as cost per performance or just straight up performace wise?
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post #20 of 42
10/9/07 at 7:09pm
you're lucky sol! I wish I could put Crysis on all high settings
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