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M1730 8800 Engineering troubles?

post #1 of 80
10/16/07 at 10:31am
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Just got off the phone with a tech guy at DELL XPS, I was asking about the upgrade path, and the 8800M cards, and timescales for release.

The guy says they have an engineering problem at the moment, and are "Unable to make the cards function correctly with the CPU" (for what reason I didnt ask) He did mention "proportional speeds" - so im assuming he means something about bus speeds but im not sure..and that "They have no immediate plans to release this card in this laptop".

He might well be feeding me rubbish just to try and get a sale, but does anyone have any contacts at Dell that can confirm or even deny this is true?

I was hoping that they would come out with the new card in the unit before or around xmas - seems (if this is anything close to the truth) that this is unlikely from what he said...
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post #2 of 80
10/16/07 at 12:13pm
Just got off a session with Dell, they told me to go away...

He did not confirm or deny anything. He said that they are having some issues with it and they will update it when it is figured out.
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post #3 of 80
10/16/07 at 12:32pm
Unfortunately no one really knows & those techs on support don't know any more than you or I. If I was a betting man I would put the upgrade option at some point before Q3 in 2008. I don't expect it this year.
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post #4 of 80
10/16/07 at 12:34pm
LOL , man you got to love support guys with no clue...

Zyb
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post #5 of 80
10/16/07 at 2:17pm
If they can slap a 8700m with a 256 memory bus-width, thus probably leading to better bandwidth, and call it a 8800m, it won't be the worst thing. The 8700m already has a higher core and memory clock than the 7950GTX. What's limiting it is the memory bus.
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post #6 of 80
10/16/07 at 2:24pm
You mean the memory bus & the available memory. Running @1920x1200 they should have 512MB. Until they increase both it will be lagging behind at higher resolutions.
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post #7 of 80
10/16/07 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by SolApathy View Post
You mean the memory bus & the available memory. Running @1920x1200 they should have 512MB. Until they increase both it will be lagging behind at higher resolutions.

Sorry, I meant the 128-bit memory bus-width and it's 25 GB/s memory bandwidth.
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post #8 of 80
10/16/07 at 6:30pm
Minus how visually stunning that laptop is compared to an E1705's white and silver scheme, those M1730 guys have to be kicking their own asses. You NEVER, EVER, EVER buy something the very second it debuts. That's just my two cents, and you know I'm willing to give it.
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post #9 of 80
10/16/07 at 6:43pm
my contacts at dell wont confirm anything in regards to that to me, a huge factor in the release of any upgrade is nvidia and their time scales.
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post #10 of 80
10/16/07 at 6:45pm
We should start a Pool when the 88xx or 89xx Mobile GPUS do get released lol
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post #11 of 80
10/16/07 at 6:50pm
put me in for Q2, 2008
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post #12 of 80
10/17/07 at 4:37am
guy`s is the 8700m a better card than the 7900m?
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post #13 of 80
10/17/07 at 7:48am
Q1 2008
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post #14 of 80
10/17/07 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by #dogg View Post
guy`s is the 8700m a better card than the 7900m?


Not a fan of ppl who just say "learn 2 search" so I won't say that :P

Short answer is depends on whether you want DX9 or DX10.

DX9, performance is fairly comparable, but with 7900m having a reasonably clear lead in reality (ie. disregard benches).

DX10, 8700M is the best existing card by a long way... 7900 won't do it (mind you it will play the DX10 titles in DX9 mode). Keep in mind at high quality settings in DX10 the 8700 is going to struggle anyway.

Thats the short answer, there are heaps of details comparing the two cards across the forums however if you want more detail.

Cheers and sorry for the OT post
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post #15 of 80
10/17/07 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by dave-p View Post
We should start a Pool when the 88xx or 89xx Mobile GPUS do get released lol
The day after my 7 day "no quibble return" period expires after I take delivery of mine with an 8700M in it because I'm too damn impatient. I guarantee it.
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post #16 of 80
10/17/07 at 10:59am
If they cant even get the 8800 sorted out, what hope is there for a 9 series card in a lappy? Will gaming on laptops even continue with the desktops, or will we all be doomed to carry around backpacks full of psu's and cooling devices?
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post #17 of 80
10/17/07 at 11:07am
Well as the die shrink process progresses you will see more powerful notebook GPU's. You have to understand laptop gaming systems are still a real niche market, so limited resources are put forth to make high performance laptop GPU's. Hopefully in the future, demand for laptop based high performance gaming will continue to increase,l placing more pressure on nVidia/ATI to come out with more powerful portable GPU solution at a faster pace.
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post #18 of 80
10/17/07 at 1:54pm
Dell will get it figered out. Until then, im very satisified with my dual 8700's. Im not trying to run at 1900x1200... I cant even read the ammo count at that res!

Running at about 1200x1600 is pretty good for me. I even run lower res with AA and junk on.

- I did set my 1730 on little blocks to get better airflow. it actually dropped temp 8-10C I was running around 70C now im at 60-62C when playing TF2

Prog
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post #19 of 80
10/17/07 at 6:49pm
Ya know considering how AMD doesn't have a mobile variant of the 2900 its probable there just waiting for AMD to pop with a paper launch so Nvidia can do a hard launch to screw them. There is no reason we cant see a 8800 now the power requirements of a Sli 7900 is heavier than a single 8800 especially if it was crippled. Rob Glenson (Head of XPS) that they designed the 1730 the way it is now because they needed to make room for this future card which has a higher power requirement. What ever the damn thing is being called unless its the 8750 Im pretty confident 8800 will take over the 8700 in the XPS line.
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post #20 of 80
10/17/07 at 10:11pm
Christmas, 2007
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