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post #41 of 52
10/21/07 at 2:34am
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Originally Posted by drlouis View Post
I apologize for my OCD, but it's gutsy gibbon, not gusty gibbon.

lol, I never even noticed before that the thread was spelled wrong! Title fixed
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post #42 of 52
10/21/07 at 2:36am
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Originally Posted by drlouis View Post
I apologize for my OCD, but it's gutsy gibbon, not gusty gibbon.

lol, I didnt notice that!

I downloaded both the Ubuntu and Xubuntu flavors but havent installed either yet.
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post #43 of 52
10/21/07 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by drlouis View Post
I don't think you can properly say that a long boot time, and lack of progress bar on boot constitute a broken release. buggy maybe, but not broken.

there were a few other issues i had... my #1 issue is the same one i have had with ubuntu since 5.10.... way too slow boot, and slower than average overall performance.
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post #44 of 52
10/22/07 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by abf View Post
there were a few other issues i had... my #1 issue is the same one i have had with ubuntu since 5.10.... way too slow boot, and slower than average overall performance.
that's because it's a 'do everything for everyone' distro. The more it does, the slower it's gonna perform. I noticed mine had the wesnoth server running at boot I know you already know this, but "easy for the average user" and "fast" are nearly mutually exclusive. If you don't want to have to set it up yourself (ie configure the stuff you want to work) then it's gonna run slower. from your past posts I've gotten the impression you're looking for the distro that will automagically configure and load the hardware and software you want/need with minimal input from you, and do so at blazing fast speeds. I'm not intending to criticize you but you're (any user) not going to find that unless you roll your own distro. Which is the exact reason many of us prefer the 'do stuff for yourself' distros like Slackware and Gentoo.
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post #45 of 52
10/22/07 at 4:20pm
Well I got back of a weeks holiday and there it was, 7.10 released. I had previously burned and booted some of the beta CDs just to be sure they worked.

So I did a full update of my Kubuntu 7.04 then rebooted then enabled the additional repositories, up comes the 'upgrade' button. I click on it and it goes into a wizard, gets part way through and tells me it can't complete and my system might be in an unstable state.

It wasn't, as a quick reboot proved, so I did the wizard again (previous run had installed some libc updates so I thought maybe a reboot would help) and once again it gave up. On reboot, this time it *was* in an unstable state.

Reboot into console mode, apt-get dist-update and it looks promising, then tells me PAM has to be stopped, up comes a text-mode screen, I hit OK and it tells me some services can't be stopped.

Reboot (text mode) and it gives me some dpkg command to run (sorry, didn't write it down, but IIRC dpkg --configure -a and I try again, same result.

At this point I decided to put the time into reinstalling rather than debugging so I downloaded the .iso image and burned it, then rebooted into windows, backed up /etc/X11/* (because that x11.conf took me a while to get right last time) and my color profiles, and /home/chris just in case although that was on a separate partition so should be okay.

Reboot into the live CD, works fine, have a quick look at the partition editor to check and then install, reformatting the root partition and not reformating the /home one.

Install has no problems, reboot and it all works nicely. Popup asks if I want to allow restricted drivers for NVIDIA video card and for atheros wifi (which was already checked and apparently, already being used). I say yes and reboot one more time. Thats way easier than it was in 7.04 trying to get OpenGL and Beryl working well (which I did, eventually and with a bunch of googling). Looking at the X11.conf it installed:

Code:
Section "Device"
\tIdentifier\t"nVidia Corporation G71 [Quadro FX 2500M]"
\tDriver\t\t"nvidia"
\tBusid\t\t"PCI:1:0:0"
\tOption\t\t"AddARGBVisuals"\t"True"
\tOption\t\t"AddARGBGLXVisuals"\t"True"
\tOption\t\t"NoLogo"\t"True"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
\tIdentifier\t"Generic Monitor"
\tOption\t\t"DPMS"
\tHorizsync\t28-96
\tVertrefresh\t43-60
EndSection

Section "Screen"
\tIdentifier\t"Default Screen"
\tDevice\t\t"nVidia Corporation G71 [Quadro FX 2500M]"
\tMonitor\t\t"Generic Monitor"
\tDefaultdepth\t24
\tSubSection "Display"
\t\tModes\t\t"1920x1200"
\tEndSubSection
EndSection
it seems to have all the stuff I had to add with command line options last time.

Now I'm adding back the apps I used to use and trying to remember which command line utilities I used to have installed.

Sucks that the upgrade didn't work, but glad the fresh install was so easy. Have yet to try a wacom tablet with it. More later if I remember ...
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post #46 of 52
10/22/07 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by drlouis View Post
I've gotten the impression you're looking for the distro that will automagically configure and load the hardware and software you want/need with minimal input from you, and do so at blazing fast speeds.

you are more or less on the right track. i want a distro to be easy to work with yet be pretty reasonably fast at the same time. So far the best i found is PCLOS2007 which is significantly faster than Ubuntu (err.. I guess Kubuntu since PCLOS is KDE) and with Drax progs and default package choices it works really really well out of the box. Arch needs a little more input, but Pacman and rc.conf are very easy to work with to get the system working. So don't give the "its impossible" speach...because the Arch team and Texstar have figured it out.
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post #47 of 52
10/22/07 at 5:40pm
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ABF, that may be true for you, but it isn't for everyone.
Many people are willing to give up speed for better out of the box experience. Take Arch for example, while it may be easy for you, it isn't for everyone and that speed increase isn't worth the hassle. It also doesn't work on all hardware.

But if we look at PCL07, it's obvious why it's currently number 1 on distrowatch (hits per day), it's fast and it can perform on a lot of different types of hardware.

And as for Ubuntu, well I'm using it right now and it is faster than previous versions, but it definately is not faster than most other distros (probably faster than suse. But, right now I need something that works automatically on all my hardware in my laptop b/c currently I don't have time to try all different distros to see which is the fastest.

Which leads me to my next point. I think that because Ubuntu is going for the make it easy for everyone approach, more people will adopt linux, which is a good thing right? Well, it depends who you ask. If it gets so easy that people use it like windows (not knowing how it works, no command line to learn the basics of the OS, etc) then maybe Ubuntu is actually hurting the Linux community. Others will say that it helps because numbers for linux users (on the desktop) have increased significantly (i think doubled, don't quote me on that). IMO, I think Ubuntu is great and I'm going to stick with it for now. Who knows, maybe I'll try gentoo again, but I probably won't be happy, just like last time because it just isn't worth the hassle.
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post #48 of 52
10/23/07 at 2:05am
okay, other than a couple minor annoyances (like having to manually start undervolting whenever I start the computer), virtually everything I've tried in Gutsy "just works", from word processing to my TV tuner to fancy effects to burning CDs to playing multiple video formats & DVDs to automatic printer detection. At this point, the only thing I need Windows for is games. I could get used to this. And even if it's a "slow" distribution, it still boots and runs startup programs in 1/3 the time it takes Windows.
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post #49 of 52
10/23/07 at 8:56am
for the record... i am back on Arch. Config is slightly different from last time (this time i am using xfce instead of gnome). So far the configuration is about 60% done. I still need to set up sound, automounting, install some programs, and tweak some more stuff for even more speed. Feels really good to be fast
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post #50 of 52
10/31/07 at 12:36am
Thread Starter 
it's been a long time since i've stayed in linux for longer than a week. I usually boot into windows because theres something i need in that OS (program or game) but ive stayed in gutsy til launch. Why?

- Stable, Feisty would crash all the time for me
- Better laptop support. suspend, hibernate and my dvi out works without any modification.

- matured programs. some programs like gaim and OoO were good, but not as good as i'd like them. now i have pidgin and open office that integrate well into the gnome desktop and are much more functional.

- deluge and exaile (can't live without them)

- much larger community. the community at ubuntuforums.org has grown tremendously in the past few months. my questions get answered within seconds.

- AWN and compiz fusion (eye candy that trumps vista) compiz fusion is STABLE. beryl would crash every time i tried to explore my filesystem. now it works

- codecs were extremely easy (not as easy as pclinuxos or elive, but a simple search of "gstreamer" in add/remove programs had all my codecs that i needed.

- Wine - plays starcraft for me with sound!

- better bluetooth and wireless support out of the box


- increased boot up time. abf, i know you aren't a fan of ubuntu's boot up time. the first few times i booted into it, it would take approx. 2-3 min to get to the desktop on a pretty high spec-ed notebook. But for some reason, it now only takes me 20-25 seconds. much faster than vista (40 sec)

I kno a lot of these reasons are interchangeable with other distros such as specific programs and comiz. but i dunno, ubuntu just does it all for me and its easy.


btw i havent touched the terminal once on this partition (shows how mature it's become?) on my other partition (elive - debian based) i had to manually install a bunch of things including my wireless card (ipw3945)

/rant
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post #51 of 52
10/31/07 at 12:38am
Thread Starter 
and im thinking of replacing elive with arch just because i want to see what abf is praising so much. elive was just a partition for me to play with anyway in my spare time (ive gotten bored of e17 as well)
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post #52 of 52
10/31/07 at 1:57am
here is a key to arch:

go for the base install from cd. don't bother installing anything but base from the disk. once thats done, get online, "pacman -Syu" ... reboot if new kernel is installed. then start installing all your stuff.... start with drivers, xorg, and de/wm.... then work your way up to progs and little things (plugins, sound, suspend/hibernate, etc). last time i tried kde it has been a little broken. gnome, xfce, and fluxbox all work fine (speaking from experience)
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