X Box 360 or PS3 ? - Page 12  

That's where arch comes in. Maybe if he was a bit more civil, along with GB's little snide remarks, my retorts won't sound as offensive.

I don't think I EVER played the Sega Master System.
Ah, that makes sense. This last week has been a little rough, so perhaps I'm not seeing things I should have.

i still don't get what the argument is about. both systems are there and they meet different needs at different price points.

PS3:
+ Runs Linux
+ Plays BluRays
+ Built in WiFi
- Costs more
- Small-ish game library
- Controllers best for smaller hands

360:
+Established online community
+Large selection of games
+Comfortable controller
- Everything is extra (so if you want things like wifi or hddvd the ps3 is cheaper)
- Above average failures (but since Falcon and new cd drives came out..not so much)

The PS3 is targeted as an all-around home media entertainment system. I will do just about everything and the kitchen sink (if you have linux installed). The 360 is a straight forward GAMING FIRST machine, with other entertainment values such as movies being only an afterthought.

I think what bothers me the most is people are so quick to jump on the "failures" the PS3 has gone through in the first year. Well what about the first year is a failure? How many units did it ship in the first year? How many A titles were released in the first year? All these facts are twisted against the PS3 and made to look like the PS3 is not doing well when in fact its doing fine. People also seem to forget that Sony took an extra year, a year, 365 days, to perfect their console from a hardware perspective. That means less failures, a better design, a better experience. People also seem to forget that the PS3 has a built in blu-ray player. WHen it retailed for $499 and $599 respectively the closest player near that price was over $1000. thats incredible. Naturally the longer production time caused other developers to produce games on the 360 dev kits instead of the PS3 dev kits which is why during the first year the PS3 was out, almost all of them are ports into the PS3. There isn't one negative thing you can say about the PS3 right now, unless you count price, which I do not see how you can considering the ridiculous price point between the 360 Elite and Premium systems. I hope this explains some thing.

Ok I read through most of the thread and I think I have decided on the PS3 now I have a couple questions......

1) My favorite types of games are FPS (not HALO b/c it is too fake...I like games like COD4 and then games like God of War....) I played the demo of Heavenly Sword at Best Buy and I liked it a lot, Assassins Creed also looks cool. Based on those types of games I think the PS3 library (now and upcoming) will suite me best.

Does anyone have any input on my above thoughts?

2) I don't have any PS1 or PS2 games and can't really think of any I would like to replay (I had both a PS1 and PS2 but sold them off for other purchases) So from this I can't see any reason not to grab the 40gb version....am I missing something???

3) I'm not real interested in buying Bluray movies (too expensive) but the PS3 will be my primary DVD player.....how is it at performing this function???

4) Are there any good places to buy a PS3 or will the Best Buy 1 block away from me be my best bet???

Thanks for the help guys.

PS-Please don't argue over why I chose the PS3...I think it will be best for me

1) Look at Uncharted, and Racket and Clank as well.

2) Card reader and 2 USB ports.
http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/about/specs

3) I use it as my DVD player and have no problems. DO NOT spend the money on the remote the controls work just fine.

4) I have no idea, got mine at Best Buy.

Thanks man, yeah both those games will be on my list for sure

Hmmmm......kind of a tough decision I guess. Best buy has the 80gb w/ a free copy of MotorStorm...don't know if that helps any.

Is the 5 free bluray offer still going on??? If it is only for the 80gb then I may just do that and sell the movies to make up the difference. IDK

Duke you have any advice for me?

the answer to #3 is it upscales beautifully. one of the best on the market.

as for the best deal available.

the 5 mail-in movies offer is good until 12/31/07. Note that the 40gb comes with Spiderman 3 (movie) , and 60 and 80gb come with Motorstorm (game). You can do better than your local BB. Just look around on slickdeals or something. For example, last friday Walmart had the 40gb for $399 (regular price) but when you buy it you get a $50 gift card. About 3 or so weeks ago they had "buy a ps3, get 10 bluray movies"...5 mail-in and 5 instant in-store. Sell those back for $15 to $20 each and you just saved about $150 on your ps3.

Or another option is to wait for a reseller to have a % or $ off coupon that applies to gaming hardware (note: BB doesn't include consoles in their coupons). This is kinda like what I did with my 360. Buy.com had a 10% off up to $15 coupon so I used that to snag my 360 for $335 (no tax and free shipping). Which is another thing... you might wanna buy online (in a store w/ free shipping) just to save on taxes. If tax in your state is 8.25% , you will be saving $32.91 on taxes alone.

The more appropriate question is what wasn't a failure!
-Initial hardware shortages (Yeah everyone had them, but if sony could have avoided the issue the other two could not it may have helped)
-Year late and higher price point killed them as their direct competition is the 360
-Only hot ship title was Resistance and turned out not to be a killer app
-1 year into it still lacks the an exclusive killer APP
-1 year still no rumble
-Inferior graphics and memory to the 360
-Bluray is slow loading
-forced people to buy hardware they didnt want: memcard, wireless, bluray
-almost all cross platform titles were grfx crippled
-no universal remote support
-no in game xmb
-free online no where near as robust as 360 at launch and MS only widened the gap since then
-Cant swap controller batteries
-Still is missing a Halo3 or Gears level game (million seller in first day)
-BT headsets dont work as well as 360 implementation

But it can really all boil down to the fact that Sony thought it would have Wii numbers, they didnt get it- The market has spoken, if PS3 was really as faultless as you think, it would have sold better. All this makes up for a bad launch year, the fact you cant even acknowledge it means YOU ARE a fanboy with a great future in Sony PR and Spin Control.

It shipped half what the wii did! And half of what 360 has overall, sure you can compare equally to 360's first year but it doesnt matter cuz it irrelevant, FACT IS: 360 has 2x as many units sold RIGHT NOW. And sales, while mildly fluctuating over the holiday season, have leveled off. It will take a UBER KILLER APP that ALL HARDCORE GAMERS must have and cant get on the 360 to catch sony up, I havnt seen that title announced yet.

I like how you say "All the facts are twisted"..... ever consider ALL the FACTS are just that and its not a world wide conspiracy, it you that is whats twisted?

Um no, that meant a year late to market!!!
There is nothing about the console thats screams perfection.....sure its got integrated wifi I dont need, but where is that 25 cent ir port for universal remote compatability.... or the fact that Sony's dev tools for game makers are still more immature and a headache than the 360 have EVER been. Yup 1 extra year of perfect all the way. Not to mention the inferior grfx and memory bus achitecture.... but I digress. In conclusion, NOT a better design, NOT a better experience.


As I stated in previous posts there are pluses and minuses of the included bluray, but aside from forcing you to get it, it IS a much better HD disc implementation than 360. See how I concede points of fact, thats how you can tell a veteran from a fanboy!!

Ummmmm no, I think there are a myriad of valid negatives of the PS3 (Which Ive efforted to docuement here somewhat) that market sales are bearing out.

Its been 6 pages and STILL the ONLY thing you can come up with is RROD issues. You've craftily avoided commenting on ANY of the 360 negatives that "I" brought to this thread, and refuse to acknowledge any of the deficiencies that I mention of the PS3.


If it looks like a chicken and smells like a chicken and talks like a chicken.....well you get the point.

Duke YOUR a PS3 fanboy.

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sorry, i just had to.

GBQ, you Sir RAWK! RAWK HARD!

So much flawed logic here, where do i begin?

You said it yourself. Everyone had shortages. This is not a failure nor is it a reason to even reconsider not buying a PS3 today.

It sold 6 million units in the first year. How many did the 360 do? Thats what i thought.

What "killer app" did the 360 have at launch? Nothing? oh ok.

Uncharted Drake's Fortune, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance Fall of Man, Warhawk and Heavenly Sword all in the first year. What did the 360 have? Gears of War.

This is a failure?



Blu-ray is not slow loading on the PS3 i dont know where you got that information. I also own a HD-DVD stand alone player, and it takes several minutes just for the machine to boot up! No even counting ejecting the tray or playing the movie. HD-DVD is much slower than Blu-ray.

You mean as opposed to over charging for the 360 products? AA batteries for the controllers where the PS3 is rechargeable through the firewire, no wifi, headsets etc...

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who cares? and this is also in the works btw.

free online is a good thing in case you didn't know versus the $50/year you have to pay for a gold membership on the 360. also now silver members have to wait a week before their content shows up unless they want to pay which is stupid.

why would you want to?

its the first year of launch. first year titles are rare.

man your information is so bad is staggering. the blu-tooth headset that comes with warhawk works amazingly with the PS3. what are you talking about? are you just making stuff up?!

its not a bad launch year. come back with your first year numbers of the 360 and compare them to the PS3. they are practically equal.

you keep bringing up the wii. i hope you realize that the wii is destroying the 360 too. so that means everything negative you said towards the ps3 is also applied to the 360. its actually worse for the 360 since the 360 had a year head start and the wii was still able to destroy its sales. no THAT is pretty bad.

I've never seen anyone throw out so much inaccurate information to try and prove their points. its very pathetic.

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It wasn't a year late. Mircosoft tried to hurry the 360 to the market (which they did) and now they are paying for it with faulty equipment and 360 failures. dont you get it? they tried to beat Sony to the punch but since they rushed the 360 design it cost them big time! You can't call something that fails 33% of the time better than something that doesn't fail >1% of the time.






id like some links of all the "facts" that you posted from reputable sources. ill give you a day to find them. if you dont find any, i assume you made them up.

A 30 year old who can't spell and makes outlandish claims at nothing. Man i'd love to meet you in person. Where are you from?

Which 360 negatives did you bring to this thread other than "its a superior machine" and fanboy this and "PS3 is trash" that. I dont think you understand that WE ARE NOT STUPID. Maybe what they say is true... stupid people really do think everyone else is as stupid as them. Darq? Thoughts on this?

I think this thread should be closed and never looked at again.

But thats just me. I doubt the ps3 will catch up to the 360 in sales. The ps3 and 360 both lose alot money compared to the wii.

Nintendo won this Gen period.

And darq, I'm waiting to RAWK your face off in COD4. Duke, when are you getting COD4 for pc? We need some NBF sr dtf whatever action. like the ol days...when I sucked ass at CS:S.

Well he CLAIMS to be a lot of things I have yet to see proof or even the slightest bit of evidence to support any of it. Other then bashing and personal views that have no bearing on what we are talking about.


We can play CS:S, DoD:S, or TF2 any night of the week GBQ. CoD4 I have to play at Nyako's house and frankly I suck on the PC. I tried to play it this weekend and was getting the crap kicked out of me. There is always BF2 as well. And I like this thread it gives me something to laugh about at work.

I've seen awhile ago that the gpu of the 360 is better. I could find proof but I don't want to.. You can look it up. The things that are missing on the ps3 you can look up. He does bring up alot of things, other than some red lights. I think he does have a point and isn't bashing a thing. I think he brings up alot of things that you guys haven't thought of. If this doesn't make any sense, I guess it's cause this thread doesn't either.

I could download and install cs:s and dod:s I don't have the orange box yet. Also BF2... It's been awhile since I've played any of them.

yeah.

What does my age have to do w/ anything other than after university graduation Ive been programming in the game industry for the last 5 years? I wont tell you were Im from, but I will tell you where Im at, silicon valley working for one of the largest video game companies in the industry.

Duke you should use some google or something, refuting an argument w/ an is pure fanboi'ism at its worst

Wow firewire huh!!!
Me thinks you posted pics of your friends units, cuz with a statement like that it surely appears you dont own one, or worse, you own one- are an uber fanboy- and have NO FREAKIN CLUE what your talking about....hahaha