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post #81 of 126
11/14/07 at 5:38pm
Yea, the Alienwares look nice, and as of now afaik, are the only ones who have "officially" announced the 8800m GTX in their laptops.
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post #82 of 126
11/14/07 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by ghost_recon88 View Post
Yea, the Alienwares look nice, and as of now afaik, are the only ones who have "officially" announced the 8800m GTX in their laptops.
To be honest i dont even think they have officially yet just been leaked hasnt it???

The guys who told me were not supposed to....

Am i wrong...the website was an inhouse error i believe.
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post #83 of 126
11/14/07 at 5:53pm
Well then where did the release date come from?
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post #84 of 126
11/14/07 at 6:27pm
What release date?? Alienware have announced there will be an announcement made on 19th of nov but as far as im aware not stated any information on specifics....Everybody i have spoken to has said the same thing...19th holds a memorable day for alienware but you will have to wait and see...Asked about nerw laptop yes they admit but wont state it will be announced on 19th thats just us summising....

Alienware uk have already told me that no laptop will be available over here on 19th and if it is which it may not be announced we will be some way behind?? I can only take that at face value from customer services in Ireland??

Have you had a newsletter stateing different or do you have any links for me to show mre the release on the 19th???? Im interested as i want one????

Can someone please show me where alienware have officially announced 8800 in laptops?
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post #85 of 126
11/14/07 at 7:00pm
YOu people are insane. Don't judge any laptop based on a semi-fonctional demo of ONE game!!! FFS!

The Crysis demo does not support SLI. The full game will and should offer significantly improved performance for all M1730 owners (and owners of other SLI-based gaming laptops)!

The M1730 reaches up to 1050 on 3D Mark06 with overcloked graphic cards and extreme CPU q 3,0Ghz, so the issue doesnt lie with the laptop but with the immature crysis demo.

By the way, those of you have performance issues under Vista should instal the following Vista Upgrades for Geforce, compatibility, performance, and SLI:
KB938979
KB938194
KB936710
KB940105
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post #86 of 126
11/14/07 at 7:03pm
I'll be attending the Nov 19th Event since its held in midtown manhatty.
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post #87 of 126
11/14/07 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by DELL-Machina View Post
I'll be attending the Nov 19th Event since its held in midtown manhatty.
Are you prepared to video conference it to london for me??
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post #88 of 126
11/14/07 at 7:20pm
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YOu people are insane. Don't judge any laptop based on a semi-fonctional demo of ONE game!!! FFS!
No matter how you cut it, the 8700M just isnt up to par with what I'd call an enthusiast level GPU. Yeah sure, you can couple it with a 3 GHz CPU and a physics card, but thats just merely putting lipstick on the pig.

Although you are right that you cant really put Crysis (the demo at least) up for a test of the machine.
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post #89 of 126
11/14/07 at 7:25pm
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No matter how you cut it, the 8700M just isnt up to par with what I'd call an enthusiast level GPU. Yeah sure, you can couple it with a 3 GHz CPU and a physics card, but thats just merely putting lipstick on the pig.

Although you are right that you cant really put Crysis (the demo at least) up for a test of the machine.
between 8400 and 10000 3dMark06 is not a piggy performance, no matter how much you would like it to be so. Do you possess a M1730 with Dual SLI?? I am just curious.
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post #90 of 126
11/14/07 at 7:28pm
You dont need to. Theres enough benchmarks here and around the web.
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post #91 of 126
11/14/07 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by ghost_recon88 View Post
You dont need to. Theres enough benchmarks here and around the web.
So besides the excellent 3D Mark06 values I quoted from all over the web (and I read forums and tests in 4 languages) and the disappointing Crysis performance, can you send me the links to good sources of information regarding the M1730's allegedly poor performance? Even the basic config has above 8000 3DMark points.

Those who DID have problems, either did not enable SLI, or did no download the 4 Vista upgrades I mentioned above (for Geoforce, compatibility, performance and SLI).

Also, Dell are working with Nvidia on a driver update for the 8700M SLI due to come out in the next couple of weeks, addressing performance in the latest games (including Crysis).

the 8800 chip was a monster in terms of performance in the desktop version, but the improvement in a portable envirement will be much less, since they deactivated so many shader units.

Also on the long run graphic cards with less thermal development surpass more ehating chips as cooling systems's efficiency decreases. Any overheating leads to speedstep technology automatically reducing performance.
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post #92 of 126
11/14/07 at 7:54pm
3dmark has little to nothing to do with preformance in real world.

look at turbos fraps thread.

the 8700s are crappy in highres cuz of restricted bus 128 bit.

not to mention the 256x2 paralell ram
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post #93 of 126
11/14/07 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by diefool View Post
3dmark has little to nothing to do with preformance in real world.

look at turbos fraps thread.

the 8700s are crappy in highres cuz of restricted bus 128 bit.

not to mention the 256x2 paralell ram
3DMark06 is an excellent predictor of our a system will perform AGAINST other systems. It doesn't tell you what absolute performance on specific games will be and mainly the drivers are the culprits here...not the chip.

I often read that the Dell 8700M SLI only uses 512KB RAM (2x256MB). This is wrong. Dell configured the SLI module so it fully uses the additional 768MB of shared memory from Vista. So from 2GB RAM onwards the GPU's can use well over 1GB of RAM.

The low added value of 2x512MB in actual performance was the reason that Dell opted for the 2x256MB option (also because of increased price, energy consumption and thermal development of the 2x512MB option).

Above 2GB or main DDRAM, the 2x512MB is just not worth it as it would bring the total to over 1,7GB and games are not optimzed to use that much.

My system has 4GB DDRAM, so my GPUs is never short of RAM.
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post #94 of 126
11/14/07 at 8:39pm
still the benchmarks of dual 8700s are matched at high res by a fx2500m and a 7900gtx/7950 single.

and machines with dual 7950's can kill both at high res.
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post #95 of 126
11/14/07 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by lgrimal View Post
3DMark06 is an excellent predictor of our a system will perform AGAINST other systems. It doesn't tell you what absolute performance on specific games will be and mainly the drivers are the culprits here...not the chip.

I often read that the Dell 8700M SLI only uses 512KB RAM (2x256MB). This is wrong. Dell configured the SLI module so it fully uses the additional 768MB of shared memory from Vista. So from 2GB RAM onwards the GPU's can use well over 1GB of RAM.

The low added value of 2x512MB in actual performance was the reason that Dell opted for the 2x256MB option (also because of increased price, energy consumption and thermal development of the 2x512MB option).

Above 2GB or main DDRAM, the 2x512MB is just not worth it as it would bring the total to over 1,7GB and games are not optimzed to use that much.

My system has 4GB DDRAM, so my GPUs is never short of RAM.
So you own a M1730?
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post #96 of 126
11/14/07 at 8:48pm
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still the benchmarks of dual 8700s are matched at high res by a fx2500m and a 7900gtx/7950 single.

and machines with dual 7950's can kill both at high res.
No. In the tests the 7950 GTX SLI performs similarly to the 8700M GT SLI (comparing for example the Alienware 7950 with the Dell M1730) even though the 8700M GT SLI drivers are still immature.

Also, the Alienware was tested under XP while the Dell was tested under Vista without SLI support!

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/10/15/sibling_rivalry/
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post #97 of 126
11/14/07 at 8:49pm
Here we go again. No, 3DMark is not a good interpretation of a system's performance. Get FRAPS, and run some frames per second benchmarks. Go to my benchmarks thread. There are plenty of benchmarks for you to compare your M1730 to. POST YOUR BENCHMARKS. There are all of these M1730 owners talking smack, but none are posting anything to prove it. It's all here: http://www.notebookforums.com/thread205804.html. If you can run Bioshock at 1440x900 at 51FPS average, full graphic settings, I'll shut up.
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post #98 of 126
11/14/07 at 8:51pm
I have work soon and while I could waste my time and read these responses, I've already seen the mention of 3dmark way too much. Everyone knows how inflated the 8 series scores are...except you that is.

And 3dmark is even less useful when comparing out of brand. I could get 6700 with my 6800go ultra and thats higher than a stock 7900GS but that doesnt mean I got better in game performance.
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post #99 of 126
11/14/07 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by ghost_recon88 View Post
So you own a M1730?
This is information made released by Markus Schütz who is EMEA press review manager at Dell.

I am now waiting for the launch of the 8800M in order to upgrade.

Dell confirmed the 8800 SLI will be offered before January with an upgrade program available for owners of 8700-based systems in January (so far the update programme has been confirmed for the US only).
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post #100 of 126
11/14/07 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by TurbodTalon View Post
Here we go again. No, 3DMark is not a good interpretation of a system's performance. Get FRAPS, and run some frames per second benchmarks. Go to my benchmarks thread. There are plenty of benchmarks for you to compare your M1730 to. POST YOUR BENCHMARKS. There are all of these M1730 owners talking smack, but none are posting anything to prove it. It's all here: http://www.notebookforums.com/thread205804.html. If you can run Bioshock at 1440x900 at 51FPS average, full graphic settings, I'll shut up.
The link I posted did more than compared two laptop systems using differents sets of tests, including real life games (this by the way correlated with 3D Mark results).

You can't expect the owners of the fastest notebooks to shut up about their system. None of them is interested in Desktop-like performance. They are happy with having the fastest chips and they will be the first to upgrade to the 8800M when it comes out.

Having the best chips is the best way of maximising your performance, and I don't really fancy running batteries of test to feel good about my system. Eventually, with mature drivers and some tweaking, performance will be there.
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