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Buy the USB Floppy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I bought my 8790 without an operating system and the intention to run it with a pair of 60GB 7200s in a RAID 0 configuration. At the time, the hint about needing the external drive for a RAID was not on the web site. I thought I could live without it, so I skipped it.

Once the unit arrived (the second time, the first had a dead CD Drive) I tried in vain to find a way around using the floppy. I tried to build a slipstream version from the many threads, but alas, it still wouldn't see the RAID as a hard drive.

I bought a Sony USB drive on-line and waited for it to arrive by 2nd day air. I put it on and got the drivers loaded so that the Windows XP Pro install could format the drive. The installation then proceeded until it reached a point where it wanted to load the "Promise Fast Trak Family Driver Diskette from Drive A". I hit enter and nothing happened. No lights, no nothing. The system no longer knew it had an A Drive. I tried many different options without success. Finally one of my son's friends found a thread with a similar problem. This fellow had purchased a cheapie USB Floppy at CompUSA and was faced with the same dead end. He was fortunate enough to have access to a different USB Floppy (an IBM) and was able to load WinXP successfully. I went out and talked my local CompUSA into allowing me to try a load using a TDK USB Floppy that they use in their service department. It worked like a champ. I subsequently bought one just like it.

The moral of the story is this. Whether or not you think you might be interested in RAID, buy the 8790 with the Floppy Drive from Sager. It is much cheaper ($17 vs $50) and is said to be totally compatible. I would have saved myself tons of aggrivation had I not excluded the Floppy when I configured the system.

Now that its loaded, my son (a serious gamer) loves the beast. It screams!!! As for the fan noise, I don't think its an issue. Compared with the desktop sitting next to it, it is very quite. No issues with the sound system and the mini-sub sounds much better than expected. GO SAGER!!!
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post #3 of 12
OK - original post. Then a "burp" two minutes later? Actually PC Torque should mandate the drive - it's only $17.
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
OK - original post. Then a "burp" two minutes later? Actually PC Torque should mandate the drive - it's only $17.
That wouldn't be fair to those that don't want/use raid, or already have an external floppy drive. It's actually more than the $17, but its priced like that to encourage people to get it so they have it if they need it (making support easier).
post #5 of 12
Oh, and another thing. I read up on slipstreaming drivers in my Microsoft books. You need a floppy disk to load the Unattend.sif file anyway! Talk about a waste of time if you only want to try to bypass the floppy drive.
post #6 of 12
I know... floppy drives are not worth the space they take up and I agree with the companies not adding internal floppy drives to save the space for more useful features. Bootable CDs or bootable mem (SD/CF/SM) should be a standard by now. I'd rather have an internal 8-track player.
post #7 of 12
I've never booted from a USB key, but couldn't one be made to work in place of a floppy?
post #8 of 12
Problem might be that it is only looking for the "A:" drive and the other's normally won't reflect that drive designation. Just my thought - it might be all wet..
post #9 of 12
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Yup, it wants to see "A"

From my experience with this process, it really does want to see drive "A". Once it was happy with "A" as a floppy drive, things went very smoothly.
post #10 of 12
If I remember from the Dos Driver Days, the Floppy was always a 00xx device and all HDD type devices had a 01xx designator. I used to have 3.7MB (yes that is real) optical guided magnetic 5 1/4" floppy drives and they could not be the "A:" drive; however, could be a "B:.C:..++.." device that would be assigned before and HDDs. I had a 360Kb as A: then a 720Kb ad B:, and then three 3.7MB floppies and an F: drive as the 32MB HDD. I think that I was using J-Drive source code that I modified for the 3.7MB Floppies. They were great until the humidity changed - then they needed to recalibrate all of the time. Guess I'm dating myself here. Now if you could "redirect" a drive (like you could in DOS) maybe we'd have a chance with "other devices"; however, I don't think that will happen.

I think that is what is need is a simple "select device" and have the "system" not be sensitive to the actual drive mechanics.
post #11 of 12
What we need is for Microsoft to write installation code that isn't so dated. Technology has moved on, why are we stuck booting from DOS to install OS's? Death of the Floppy drive indead. Now that RAID is comming back from the dead for the consumer market, floppies are needed more than ever, because the only way to install an OS on a RAID array is to install the RAID drivers during the install. Now, you can create a RAID array after an install, you just can't put the OS on it.
post #12 of 12
Is there a standard floppy port in the 8790? Has anyone opened the 8790 and tried to temporarily rig their desktop floppy to get the raid driver in place?
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