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Why people say Dell 1720 sUx?

post #1 of 62
12/12/07 at 6:01am
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As the title, why people say Dell 1720 sUx?

I have a Dell i9400 and would like to understand that... also, please tell me if someone would recommend an upgrade from i9400 to 1720.

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post #2 of 62
12/12/07 at 9:09am
The 1720 is inferior to the E1705 in the gaming aspect of things. The 7900GS prevails over the 8600M when gaming so it's not a very good trade to make IMO.

The 1720 although getting a lot of bashing for "sucking", the 1720 all around isn't a bad laptop, it's just that the 8600M stepped down from the 7900GS' level of performance.
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post #3 of 62
12/12/07 at 10:39am
I went from an Inspiron 9300 to a Vosro 1700 and couldnt have made a better choice overall. I play COD4 with 1440x900 and max setting with 2x AA and it plays great.
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post #4 of 62
12/12/07 at 12:45pm
also the 1720 doesn't have a DVI port
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post #5 of 62
12/12/07 at 1:54pm
it should had the 8800 gs
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post #6 of 62
12/12/07 at 2:19pm
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For what I've seen, if it's for a non-gaming person, 1720 won't be bad then, right?

After all, it includes the finally full keyboard, integrated camera and mic, full 4GB support, coming CPUs w/ 800Mhz FSB, dual HDD support, etc... =P
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post #7 of 62
12/12/07 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by diefool View Post
also the 1720 doesn't have a DVI port
really? never noticed
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post #8 of 62
12/12/07 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by SirMaximuM View Post
For what I've seen, if it's for a non-gaming person, 1720 won't be bad then, right?

After all, it includes the finally full keyboard, integrated camera and mic, full 4GB support, coming CPUs w/ 800Mhz FSB, dual HDD support, etc... =P
You probably won't see supreme improvements in any part of it no matter what from an E1705. And for a gaming person, yeah there'd be no problem with that...it's just from an E1705 the point is really quite unseen.
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post #9 of 62
12/12/07 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by Isuzu_Trooper View Post
really? never noticed
thats important. for some people

for people that are enthusiasts they like a little more GPU, DVI, Blu ray/HD DVD etc.
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post #10 of 62
12/12/07 at 5:27pm
The 1705 has lots of space for upgrades, i think Dell confined the 1720 in terms of modding
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post #11 of 62
12/12/07 at 7:08pm
The 1720 is a good laptop. It is bulky, but so is any 17" laptop.

Dell needs to consider and add a faster GPU. It would also benefit from a faster HD (7200 rpm).

I upgraded from the 8400GS to the 8600GT and am satisfied till they give us a better card. I also added the Turbo Cache unit which seems to improve performance somewhat.

Opening the door to more GPUs will likely make the cynical happy.

Jon
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post #12 of 62
12/12/07 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by ghazgull013 View Post
The 1705 has lots of space for upgrades, i think Dell confined the 1720 in terms of modding
I don't think so, apart from the lackluster video card options, which are more nVidia's fault than Dell's (Dell doesn't make video cards remember.) I really don't see how you're more confined with the 1720 than you are with a 1705.

As for the lack of a DVI Port, I'll say it for the umpteenth time. 90% of the people that buy the 1720 will not give 2 craps about the presence of a DVI Port. It was more important to Dell that they save $5/unit by leaving just the VGA connector rather than putting a DVI-I port on the system and shipping an adapter with it. Especially considering only 10% of the customers (optimistically speaking) will use or even have a desire for it. Also, there is little to no difference between DVI and a quality analog monitor that has been properly adjusted. Do you know how many of my customers with DVI capable monitors and systems actually use the DVI port when the VGA is also present? 0. Every single XPS 700 I've serviced so far has had its monitor connected using the DVI to VGA adapter and the VGA cable. Despite the fact that the system, and the monitor BOTH are DVI capable.
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post #13 of 62
12/12/07 at 8:37pm
i thought dell designed their own video cards mr.

they put their own bios on them and all.
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post #14 of 62
12/12/07 at 9:20pm
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I don't think so, apart from the lackluster video card options, which are more nVidia's fault than Dell's (Dell doesn't make video cards remember.) I really don't see how you're more confined with the 1720 than you are with a 1705.

As for the lack of a DVI Port, I'll say it for the umpteenth time. 90% of the people that buy the 1720 will not give 2 craps about the presence of a DVI Port. It was more important to Dell that they save $5/unit by leaving just the VGA connector rather than putting a DVI-I port on the system and shipping an adapter with it. Especially considering only 10% of the customers (optimistically speaking) will use or even have a desire for it. Also, there is little to no difference between DVI and a quality analog monitor that has been properly adjusted. Do you know how many of my customers with DVI capable monitors and systems actually use the DVI port when the VGA is also present? 0. Every single XPS 700 I've serviced so far has had its monitor connected using the DVI to VGA adapter and the VGA cable. Despite the fact that the system, and the monitor BOTH are DVI capable.
we know, we know, we know.

I consider the upgrade ability of the 1720 limited by the no second fan. Really quite the downfall if you ask me.

Also, whether or not Dell is financially correct in their lacking of DVI ports, we the gamer portion of the market, tend to enjoy the inclusion of the DVI port for convenience. That is why we, extremists, dislike it.
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post #15 of 62
12/12/07 at 9:30pm
no doub't all of my devices are HDMI or DVI.

to the J6p it don't matter much
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post #16 of 62
12/13/07 at 1:43pm
When I was deciding between my Dell Outlet 1705, and the 1 day old 1720, this was the deciding factor for me. Give me my DVI.

Now, with the upgrades (see sig), I am damn glad I went with the 1705.

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Originally Posted by diefool View Post
also the 1720 doesn't have a DVI port
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post #17 of 62
12/13/07 at 7:43pm
But still, we here at NBF are a small portion of the entire population that actually knows a thing or two about computers. The general population wont even notice the difference of the missing ports and yet the can capatilize on the unknowing.

But still still, they probably saved a pretty penny by stripping it of some extra nice featues.

Basically Im agreeing w/ mr evil 110%
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post #18 of 62
12/13/07 at 10:22pm
joe six packs don't care.

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post #19 of 62
12/13/07 at 10:48pm
[wishing]What about my six pack?[/wishing]

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Originally Posted by diefool View Post
joe six packs don't care.
All in all, I just lucked up with the 1705. At that time (July, when the 1720 was just released 1 day old) I was looking for a "work" laptop, that's all. I really wanted the 1720 with the dual HDD and native 4 GB support.

But the cost factor at the time (new 1720 = $600 more than the Dell Outlet 1705 I priced, with many more options) and the lack of DVI port forced me to chose the 1705.

I would not have planned on playing games on it or as my sole machine, until I found these forums.

So yes, Joe Blow wouldn't care and go for the 1720.

If you are reading this post though, you'd be shamed if you didn't go with a 1705 (until the 1730s/SLI combo comes out, then you are exclused).
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post #20 of 62
12/14/07 at 4:03pm
I highly doubt that most of the posters here even use the DVI (Not that your point is not taken, just if you bought a 1990 Chevy Camaro and it came with a condom dispensor, but you rarely date or have a girfriend, then the fact that the 2010 Camaro does not have the dispensor means nothing about the cars usefulness, even if you think you will have prospects ) most of us even the hardcore gamers may not use DVI. And to be honest I am picky about my screens and I ran the DVI from my E1705 to a wide screen and the vga and did not notice the difference to be honest.

It does bite for those of you have have digital devices and want to use em, but you would not buy this for that reason obviously. And the "Extremists" would buy the XPS if they really are EXTREME =)
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