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Latitude D820 Upgrade Time

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Thread Starter 
Hello all, and thanks ahead of time for your help.

I have a Latitude D820 with T2500 Yonah, 1024mb ram (2 bank: 512mb), and Quadro NVS 120M "video card." I tried running NFS: Pro Street, and even on the lowest settings and resolution, it lags. I think its time for some upgrades... I have a couple of questions first.

Video Card/GPU: I know the 120m isn't a gaming card, however, the GPU IS a GeForce Go 7400, the same as the fx350m found in the Dell
PRECISION M65. How is it that the precision, with the same exact same motherboard as the d820, can run a higher fps on 3d heavy apps? I know that the 120m is "optimized" for 2d drafting, but it doesn't make sense why it would be slower if it is the same gpu on the same motherboard. (excluding drivers and software based overclock).

I guess my questions are,
1.)
What's the PHYSICAL difference between the D820 motherboard with the quadro 120M and the M65 with the fx350M?
2.) Is there a gpu bios I can flash to make the gpu optimized for 3d gaming? I don't care what windows recognizes it as, as long as its optimized for 3d. Use m65 bios maybe? How much does bios affect performance in game/app?
3.) What is a safe overclock speed and peak running temp for the gpu in the D820? The defaults are:
Low: Core 200mhtz, mem 400mhtz
High: Core 450 mhtz, mem 700mtz.
and averages 70 deg C idle and peaks 95 deg C load

Ram:
4.) Can the motherboard utilize ddr2-800(pc2-6400) or is it "limited" to ddr2-667(pc2-5300).
5.) The default ram latency is cas 5, 5-5-5-13. Can the mo-bo utilize a cas 4, 4-4-4-12 @333mhtz (ddr2-667)?

I already updated to the newest driver for the video card. It helped, i guess, but i have a feeling it can perform better.
Thats it, thanks again for the help!

post #2 of 9
There is no appreciable performance difference between the FX350M and the NVS 120M. I have a D820 with the 120, another member here, gerryjoson, used to have the M65. According to him there is no difference between the Performance of the 350M and the 120M the only difference is the BIOS and all that does is let you use the OpenGL and CAD certified drivers.

Having worked on my own D820, and M65's under warranty, there is absolutely no appreciable difference between either system. In fact, the graphics chip on my motherboard has "FX350M" silkscreened on it.

I would also not overclock the GPU in a D820. The GPU in the system pretty much shares it's heatsink with the i945GM chipset and the CPU. On a system that has a completely dedicated heatsink for the GPU, like the M90, the GPU being overclocked really won't effect the Northbridge or the CPU. But definitely not something you want to do on a D820.

You can always upgrade to a Merom Core 2 Duo CPU, that would give you a bit of a performance boost. The D820 should support the T7600 without a problem.

As far as the RAM goes, the system's FSB is limited to 667, if you buy DDR2 800 it'll just downclock.
post #3 of 9
I had a precision M65 before my Vostro and my game performance was pretty much identicle to anybody's Latitude W/120m,the D3d performance between 7400go,NVS120m,FX350m is exactly the same apart from versions that have more/less video memory or GDDR3 video memory like the XPS m1210 that enables higher memory clock rates to be used.

You will gain nothing in games by flashing an M65 bios to your 820 and the only way I know you can do it is by knowing Dells "forcetype..bios" command line to force the wrong bios onto the machine,but some of the methods the 17" guys use for flashing different bios's would probably work too...I don't know.

The only performance increase the quadro has over the 7400/120m is in openGL MCAD and digital content creation,where because of the M65 bios identification it adds openGL extensions and tweaks from the unified NVS/FX drivers to enable better performance and stability in those type of cad applications........the D820 obviously has different bios enabled optimisations to the M65 because I loaded Solidworks on to a friends D820 and it couldn't enable the "realview" realtime material rendering that my FX350m could and it also consistently froze at having 6 parts windows open,where a FX quadro is like......name your number.

To answer your questions
1.there is none,our resident Dell technician Mr Evil replaced his D820 motherboard and the soldered on GPU had FX350M printed on it,so the differences are bios and cosmetic only.

2.as above.its as optimised for games as its ever going to be,except for the usual overclocking [which does pretty much nothing in my experience]and driver versions,which seemed to have a huge effect for me on a few of the games it was struggling with.

3.highest i could get my FX350m was 505/820...it made 3dmark go up,but made next to no difference in games,stock clocks are the same as your nvs120m....BTW my GPU never got anywhere near as high as those[95 deg C] temps,highest I saw was about 70 if memory serves correctly,maybe you should disassemble it and give the fan/heatsink a lint clean out.

4.no it can't utilise the faster ram.

5.sorry,I don't know.
post #4 of 9
Lol,Mr Evil....beat me to it
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Lol,Mr Evil....beat me to it
Hey, I mentioned you buddy
post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the quick replies, guys.

I guess I'll just max out the ram, and while I'm at it, clean it out and make sure the heat-sink is making good contact with the gpu. When I got this new, the temp would max out at around 85 under load and stay there, it has always averaged 70 idle (when i leave the lapp on for an hour or 2 without touching it). Could be the heat sink isn't making good contact. This thing has always run hot, i can feel the heat through the keyboard...
Once I do that, I'll clock it 500/800, and make sure it doesn't get above 90, if it does, ill lower it to default. Upgrading the cpu is a little too expensive for me at this point, since I am definitely getting 4gb of ram...

I'll get a laptop fan mat while I'm at it. Does anyone recommend one that fits with the docking station?

Also, whats the most stable/best driver version for 120m for 3d games? I currently have Dell A05 (12/11/2007) (120m driver version 6.14.11.5683 11/16/2007)

It's a shame it can't handle pro street, I've had no problems with FEAR or HL2 on medium settings... It pains me to realize my lappy is getting dated already
post #7 of 9
There really isn't a fan mat that works with the docking station. And in all reality you don't really need one considering the DPort and DDock give the cooling fan a very nice gap to draw cool air from.

As for your laptop already being outdated. It might be for games, but it's still more than viable for everything else. You have to remember, when you buy a Latitude you're buying a system with the corporate bean-counter in mind. They're not built for gamers.
post #8 of 9
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Originally Posted by AbsolutD820 View Post

Also, whats the most stable/best driver version for 120m for 3d games? I currently have Dell A05 (12/11/2007) (120m driver version 6.14.11.5683 11/16/2007)

It's a shame it can't handle pro street, I've had no problems with FEAR or HL2 on medium settings... It pains me to realize my lappy is getting dated already
No such thing as a best driver for ALL games,I had quite good general performance out of the old 84.25,but for some games that were really struggling like R6Vegas,GRAW,I had to try many drivers [can't remember which versions]but I'll fly in the face of the convention here and say that the newest drivers are not always the best,unless it is a tweaked version for a specific game.Personally I think nvidia's drivers have taken a bit of a dive in the last year,probably because of them having to split resources between writing XP and Vista drivers.

I did have a quick look to see if tweakguides.com had any guides on NFS pro street but couldn't find anything,but I will be surprised if somewhere on the interweb,someone hasn't listed tweaks to .ini files or something to improve performance,usually at the loss of visual quality.
post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by MrEvil View Post
There really isn't a fan mat that works with the docking station. And in all reality you don't really need one considering the DPort and DDock give the cooling fan a very nice gap to draw cool air from.

As for your laptop already being outdated. It might be for games, but it's still more than viable for everything else. You have to remember, when you buy a Latitude you're buying a system with the corporate bean-counter in mind. They're not built for gamers.

I truely miss my dock,I hope the E series have a bit more poke in the graphics area than what the later D series have had.....just for that small percentile that I fall into,who like business features and also like to play games
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