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post #21 of 31
4/12/04 at 4:23pm
isn't sager's gpu soldered on?
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post #22 of 31
4/12/04 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by Diesel
isn't sager's gpu soldered on?
Yes it is.
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post #23 of 31
4/12/04 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by ForceCalibur
As long as the laptop (any laptop) doesn't have a soldered on GPU, then it is upgradeable. That being said, Dell does not have this sole advantage, so your point is moot. And I highly doubt there will be ANY graphics update at all within 2 months for laptops, considering how old the Radeon 9700 is. If there is an update, it will probably just be an overclocked Radeon 9700, that anyone with an overclocking utility could do.
That's like saying you can put a chevy v8 into a toyota corolla because you can take out the engine by unbolting it.

Yes Dell has this sole advantage at this time, and it will be in the next two months, the upgrade will be substantial. It will be the last ATI AGP based upgrade before PCI Express hits the market.

I have solid knowledge of this, you don't trust me.

Steve
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post #24 of 31
4/12/04 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by ForceCalibur
As long as the laptop (any laptop) doesn't have a soldered on GPU, then it is upgradeable. That being said, Dell does not have this sole advantage, so your point is moot. And I highly doubt there will be ANY graphics update at all within 2 months for laptops, considering how old the Radeon 9700 is. If there is an update, it will probably just be an overclocked Radeon 9700, that anyone with an overclocking utility could do.
you would be surprised. you dont seriously believe that manufacturers are not at least two gens ahead of their current offerings do you? the new chip will not be an overclocked 9700.
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post #25 of 31
4/12/04 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by MNguyen281
you would be surprised. you dont seriously believe that manufacturers are not at least two gens ahead of their current offerings do you? the new chip will not be an overclocked 9700.
Exactly, ODM's are always 1-2 product cycles ahead of the current offerings and they also have multiple models being worked on at the same time.

As of now, ODM's are all working on getting PCI-E into their high end notebook offerings the rest is old news...
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post #26 of 31
4/12/04 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by MARQUISDARQUIS
Buy an XPS or Vido over here will make you wish you did. Vido's like a scientist, you see, he likes to experiment and stuff. Mostly he likes to see how far things can bend before they break, things like fingers and arms and legs but also backbones too. So, do yourself a favor, buy the XPS.

(is this working?) (Oh well, I tried, actually, Vido is a really nice guy, he just looks tough but he is very interested in science, like what makes girls happy, he's a lover, not a fighter).

Oh, by the way, ezfeeling, I have a bad feeling about you. The scenario you describe is extremely unlikely unless your "friends" were both dealing with an uncommonly bad, and probably unauthorized, reseller and they didn't take advantage of SAGER's no questions asked 30 day return policy or use any of SAGER's other warranty provisions. I've been dealing with SAGER for 10 years, the very few problems I have had have always been dealt with promptly and to my satisfaction. Then again, I have dealt with reputable authorized dealers and I did use the resources SAGER provides to their fullest. Definitely refer your "friends" to these forums though its highly unlikely that anything could be done about something that happened two years ago.

Well, it may partly due to the environment we work in; I am an enlised member of military and we are required to do tour @ sea. Both of those guys now works on different ship and the only mean i have to communicate w/ them are via email. They had their system crash @ roughly the same time. I cannot really tell u if their diagnostic are correct but it's not up to me to question. During the couple of months while I was @ sea i my laptop ran from perfect to having LCD problem. Again, i cannot say it's directly resulted from the salty air. but if u can see what high sea can do to a ship over a period of just a few weeks you wouldn't be too suprised to see if laptop have problem w/ that. BTW, those are not the only 2 that was broke.. A Sony Vaio had a V-Ram fault and an HP have problem w/ HD after dropped to floor during rough sea. Compare to them i got lucky. But so far the most problems i see w/ laptop are mostly ones based on Sager's model, mine, 2 Sager notebook, a prostar. 4 compaq/HP (the one w/ HD failure, others dealing w/ heat), and 1 Vaio. I hadn't really seen dell having problem but most of the dell guys don't use them for games, Dell most of time can be fixed by driver update to be exact. And ratio wise... Sager's so far is 4 out of 4, including mine(purchused from Alienware).

I have not seen any problem w/ toshiba yet and sony's 1 out of 3. Of course I cannot justify that I know what i am talking about (both sager were relayed to me via email). Based on numbers though, I just can't say Sager makes quality stuff...
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post #27 of 31
4/12/04 at 7:15pm
Thread Starter 
Great,
Thanks to all of you for the replies. If the next card is coming out...how much will it be to possibly upgrade and will it be much better than the 9700 256meg cards that are in the Sager 8790's?

I know we can't give exact details but maybe somebody can give a rough idea of what it might cost.

Thanks...
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post #28 of 31
4/12/04 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by Wafin
Great,
Thanks to all of you for the replies. If the next card is coming out...how much will it be to possibly upgrade and will it be much better than the 9700 256meg cards that are in the Sager 8790's?

I know we can't give exact details but maybe somebody can give a rough idea of what it might cost.

Thanks...
I have no idea of the cost of upgrade, however my guess is anywhere between $150-300.

The Sager 8790 features the same chip as the XPS, except it has a larger frame buffer.

The new upgrade will definitely be a significant performance increase over
the 9700.

Also the XPS has been engineered properly for power requirements of the next GPU upgrade, which most people properly haven't even thought of. The current Sager 8790 has very loud fans and a hot palmrest, indicating that it isn't very well designed to cool the internal components.

Steve
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post #29 of 31
4/12/04 at 8:36pm
If what you say is true, then

I'm not buying a laptop atleast until september, so I will have the luxury of waiting it and seeing just what comes up.

Hope there really are a new batch of GPUs on the horizon.

(Btw, I'm keeping track! 2 Months, new GPU.. , if it doesn't come out, i'm holding you personally responsible for getting my hopes up steve!)
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post #30 of 31
4/12/04 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by ForceCalibur
If what you say is true, then

I'm not buying a laptop atleast until september, so I will have the luxury of waiting it and seeing just what comes up.

Hope there really are a new batch of GPUs on the horizon.

(Btw, I'm keeping track! 2 Months, new GPU.. , if it doesn't come out, i'm holding you personally responsible for getting my hopes up steve!)
Forcecalibur, my friend you will be one happy camper in 2 months don't worry be happy !
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post #31 of 31
4/12/04 at 10:10pm
Thread Starter 
Sweet Steve,
So, I know you can't go into details about the next gen of GPU's but I love the idea that we'll have a machine that can handle it.

I'm assuming that you have a XPS, Steve, and that you love it. Are you experiencing any of the crashes that seems to be plagueing (sp) the other users? Has dell gotten things right?

Wish you could send me some more info on the GPU but I think I'll just have to wait and see. Although, as with many things in the computer world...you can always wait until the next best thing comes along and never end up with anything. If you say that the next card is going to blow away the current generation of GPU's, then I think you've done enough convincing.

To let everybody know, I'm pretty much given up on the area-51m. Seems like that system is almost outdated in terms of performance. It now has come down to buying a sager 8790 and knowing that I'll have the best machine for the next 2 months until Dell comes out with the new GPU...or get a Dell and know that I can keep upgrading it.

Thanks again...I'll keep you all posted.
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