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post #1 of 47
Thread Starter 
Im not sure if this is the right thread but...
Ok..... Where do I start......
I am pretty good when it comes to computers... All my life I have been into computers and right now im learning programming in college...
but I never really got into the hardware stuff....
And now I'm supposed to be able to write a report on building my own computer...

Well.... Wheres the best place to start learning and reading up on all about building a computer and all its parts?
I searched on google but i keep getting annoying sites that were made for people who dont know a thing about computers...

I'm a fast learner, but I just need a few tools... After reading an article or two on parts I'll probably catch on...
post #2 of 47
This should help ya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVJ5ZEbf6F4

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/build-a-computer.htm

Are there any other specific questions you have like how to research for hardware, picking compatible parts, certain considerations to take into account?
post #3 of 47
Thread Starter 
What I want to know is how I would find a great motherboard in my price range?
And once I do, how do I know what cpu and ram and other stuff to get to go along with the motherboard?... like I want to learn how to do this not just once
Like that saying
You can feed a man fish or teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime... I want the latter!
post #4 of 47
All right, first the basics:

Before building a computer the first rule before doing so is adjust it to your needs first and then to your budget. Not the other way around.

This leads to the second rule which is what do you need it for.

Do you just want a computer to program, internet browsing, e-mail, and running office apps?

Then a computer with integrated graphics, 512MB or 1GB of RAM and a basic processor will do just fine. A Celeron, Sempron or another single core processor based machine will do. Even a used one with a now old Pentium 4 processor of 1 something Ghz can do the job. They're not powerhouses but they do what they do.

Do you want one to run games, work on graphics, edit video, run heavy programs or heavy multitasking?

Don't expect a $300 computer to stay on top of the game or be able to play the latest game at high resolutions for instance if that is what you want to do on it.

Don't even think about doing heavy graphics work on it, and no, I'm not talking about removing the red eye effect or adjusting the brightness on the pictures dad took with his digital camera the other day.

I'm not talking about Timmy's skateboarding video to upload to Youtube either. Nope, not even talking about the basic web page he made on Myspace.

REAL photo, video, webpage and 3D graphics files are from a few megabytes to a few gigabytes heavy. Not to mention that you will be having two or more of these memory hogging programs open at the same time, at this point you also need a fast processor for multitasking.

An acceptable computer for gaming, video editing or working in graphics (and I mean acceptable, not top of the line) will cost you about $700-$800.

This will give you a medium to medium high capability depending on the program. Most people are happy with this type of system.

If you are a graphics, benchmark buff or work for LucasArts then you need ALL the power you can get and prices start climbing up from here. A high end computer system for high end tasks starts ranging from $1200 to $10,000+.

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post #5 of 47
All right, now comes the parts picking part.

How long do you plan on having the computer dictates the parts you will be needing.

If you change computers every year or so then upgradeability doesn't really matter.

If you plan on getting a computer that you plan on keeping for two years or more then you need to pick parts for future proofing your system.

If you cannot get the latest and bestest parts you can get away with a motherboard that will allow you to do upgrades to keep your system current. For example, various motherboards that use dual core processors will allow you to upgrade to a quad core one at a later time.

Some motherboards take RAM of various speeds and sizes so you can also upgrade to faster or bigger RAM modules at a later time. The most important part to research first for a computer is the motherboard as this is the component that will dictate the future of your system, not to mention how it will run as a whole.

Then comes the processor, try staying in the middle of the road if you are not looking for maximum power. The speed difference between two processors could be just of 20% but the price difference could be between $100-$200.

Pick a processor that is compatible with the motherboard's socket, you can't just fit any processor on a motherboard. I don't need to say that a socket 478 processor won't fit on a 775 socket (same goes for AMD equivalents).

For working better on heavy graphics get a dedicated video card, stay away from the motherboard integrated solutions. For PCI-Express cards the most basic ones range from $120-$150, these usually feed off from the PCI-Express port.

The mid-range graphics cards go for about $150-$240, the most powerful ones go from $250-$1000. Keep in mind that these more powerful cards usually require being connected to the power supply.

Next, comes the power supply. For a basic system a 300w-400w power supply is more than enough, for more powerful systems, especially those holding multiple hard drives, optical units or a power hungry video card(s) you need a power supply between 600w-1000w.

A word of advise:DON'T cheap out on the power supply, it is one of the most important parts of the computer as it regulates the power coming inside it. Cheap power supplies tend to have lower quality components and if they fail they cannot only kill themselves but take the whole system along!!!

Those $20 something no-name power supplies can look like a good deal but they're not, for power supplies get better ones, especially from a known brand, they are more expensive but they have better components and protection against spikes, not to mention they work better under heavy workload. Good power supplies start ranging from $60 and up.

Hard drive: Depends again on what do you need to do. If you are doing something like basic computing or programming then a single hard drive will do. For more heavy work, two (or more) hard drives are recommended. Some applications like video editing or those that render demand all the attention they can get from the hard drive. If both the system and the application are using the same resources from the hard drive both could "fight" over these resources and reduce performance, cause stuttering issues or cause capture/publishing errors.

For work, 7,200+ RPM hard drives are the most recommended choice. Besides, if the system hard drive fails or Windows crashes all your work will be safe on the work hard drive. And of course, the golden rule for storage devices is backup, backup, backup!!!!

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post #6 of 47
Next comes RAM, the minimum amount of RAM now is now 1GB, optimal being 2GB+. Again, RAM depends on the amount or type of applications you are working on or how many you have open.

Newer systems use DDR types of RAM, to obtain the speed DDR RAM provides you need to install the memory in pairs. Do NOT combine memory speeds or capacities, while your computer may seem to work with combined memory types this could lead to issues and the computer will not run at the speed it is supposed to run.

If you use a faster RAM module along with a slower module, the faster module will clock down to match the speed of the slower module, thus neglecting the speed gains you would get from the faster module. Same happens with computers with multiple video cards, get cards that are matched in speed.

Also make sure to investigate if the motherboard uses DDR, DDR2 or higher RAM, and what speeds it accepts. Some motherboards can work with only 667Mhz RAM while others take RAM of speeds from 667Mhz to 1Ghz and higher.

Processor:

Choosing a processor depends on what you need to do. The faster the processor the faster you can get things compiled, rendered or handled.

There are 32-bit processors usually the older Pentium 4 based processors that are still powerful, especially the last ones to come out. The newer dual core processors are now 64-bit processors, this proposes some future proofing as future 64-bit applications will take full advantage of these.

Various applications do run better on 64-bit processors, some can even detect them on a 32-bit Operating System. Dual core processors are faster indeed (don't let the lower clock speeds fool you), and professional applications benefit largely from those. While running at lower clock speeds, dual core processors can process more data per clock cycle. Not to mention that a dual core processor is better at multitasking.

You can get away fine with most stuff with a 2.0Ghz dual core processor. One thing you have to be clear of and which is a common misconception is that dual cores do NOT double the clock speed of a processor. A 2.0Ghz 64-bit dual core processor for example is NOT a 4.0Ghz 128-bit processor, in this case you simply have two 2.0Ghz 64-bit cores running at the same time and both cores are sharing the workload.

Optical units:

Computer Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, DVD-RW or CD-RW units are NOT only for burning music or movies.

They can also backup large quantities of data either for archival purposes or presenting work at some other place. Pick one that is a known brand, also, don't cheap out on the discs either.

You will find no name branded discs really cheap, these are fine for handing over work or files to someone else or storing non-critical data. These, however, tend to have readability problems a few months later.

If the data you are backing up is critical or you may need it later always pick media from a known brand, keep it in their box and DON'T handle the disc unless you really need it. Keep them away from moist places or those that are prone to fungus.

Next a media card reader, if you are working in graphics you need one of these definitely, not only because they can read the storage cards from cameras but you can also the cards as storage devices for storing and carrying regular data as well.

A media card reader with a high capacity card reader can currently store up to 8GB+ per card on those new HDSC cards. If you want to add a floppy disk unit that is up to you, it's probable you won't need it in this time and day but when you need it, you need it.

There are some floppy disk/card reader combo units that offer both in the same unit.

Fans: These will ensure proper cooling of a system, a regular system will run fine on a single fan. More powerful systems have at least two or four, if fan noise is an issue pick ball-bearing silent fans.

However, fan noise is not an issue if you are running 500w speakers on your system.
post #7 of 47
Sound card:

If you don't work with sound editing or don't care for high definition surround sound when watching movies or playing games then an integrated or stereo sound card will work for you. Otherwise, you need a non-integrated sound card like those from Creative, Turtle Beach and others.

One thing I like to recommend always is a Uninterrupted Power Supply (UPS). Besides protecting your system from dangerous power spikes it will keep your computer running for several minutes or hours in case of a blackout allowing you to keep working or save your work and shut the computer down safely.

The minimum one you should get is a 500va one but it is better to get a 700va for a regular system. To this you should only keep connected a monitor, the computer and perhaps a DSL/cable modem or printer. This will ensure that you will not overload it or reduce its battery time. Once again, get one from a known brand in the industry.

And finally, build the computer around YOUR needs, not other's.

While average Joe will be happy to recommend you a mid-range system, Joe 1337 may recommend a system that can pump up 500 frames per second at 40x AF, 80x FF on dual 40" monitors, even though you just need a system to run Word. ;P

Hope this helps.
post #8 of 47
Thread Starter 
WOW!
thanks for the reply er... replies

I'm gonna need to take some time to read this...
thanks a lot!
post #9 of 47
Moved to desktop forum.
post #10 of 47
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Originally Posted by shamguy4 View Post
WOW!
thanks for the reply er... replies

I'm gonna need to take some time to read this...
thanks a lot!
Yeah, I know it's long but I hope it will help you with catching your own fish.
post #11 of 47
impressive dock. good work.
post #12 of 47
Thx.

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post #14 of 47
Nice job, dock!

The other thing I'd suggest is to read some work logs from people who have built computers ... there are a few here (check out the one by GQBrilliant). Also lots of good info on xtreme systems forums.
post #15 of 47
Wow Moidock I didn't think you could type that much info with out doing something strange/scary.
post #16 of 47
I would say maybe that should be stickied here in the forums for new computers to read, although make a new thread with it devoted to learning about building computers
post #17 of 47
Thread Starter 
Sorry I havent been able to post back I have been busy... sorry
Wow!! thats was amazing!
I feel like I got a crash course!!
I just have a few last questions.
does the motherboard always come with some sort of intergrated sound system? how do I know what sound card I could use?
and cases... How do I know what mother board fits in what case?

I need to write a report where I build a low end computer that is a low price
And high end computer where price doesnt matter
(then maybe I will actually think about buying and making my own from somewhere in between)

I need to buy parts from at least 4 different sites! I only know of 2 newegg and mwave

ok so I found a cheap motherboard to use as the low end computer
its the cheapest mother board:


ASUS P5VD2-VM SE via p4m890 chipset micro ATX form factor 1xPCI-E(x16)/1xPCI-E(x4)/2xpci/2xddr2 w/integrated vga, SATA2 raid,lan,usb 2.0 & audio (cpu type:intel - socket 775)

....ok asus- Ive heard of that is it a good company? what are good companys? also micro atx? does that coresspond to what case I should buy?
And what does the rest of that mean?? 1xpci...blah blah...
(cpu type:intel - socket 775) this I understand. so I went and lokked for my next piece:

NTEL celeron 420 (BX80557420) 1.6ghz em64t w/512kb cache 800mhz lga775-pin retail boxed w/cooling fan

the cooling fan that comes with it -its called a heatsink thingy right?
And I know it says ddr2 ram but how many pins?
post #18 of 47
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Originally Posted by DarqHelmet View Post
Wow Moidock I didn't think you could type that much info with out doing something strange/scary.
Don't tempt me, Darq....
post #19 of 47
There are many other parts sites like Amazon.com, Antonline.com, outpost.com which are some of the ones I use.

The large majority of motherboards come with integrated sound, most basic motherboards come with just stereo sound while motherboards for higher performance systems from at least two years started coming with integrated 5.1-7.1 integrated high definition sound.

You will usually find what type of sound the motherboard has by looking at its specifications. However, there are still some types of motherboards that do not have integrated sound (various Intel motherboards like the 875PBZ lacked integrated sound).

The motherboard that you mention for example has an integrated sound and is indeed capable of 6 channel surround sound.

Motherboards are made for a particular standard (most common is ATX) so ones made for mid or full tower cases will fit any of these type of cases.

There are smaller cases called small form factor cases (like those small cube shaped ones) which can only fit SSF type motherboards Mini-ITX, Micro ATX and DTX motherboards.

All motherboards that belong to the ATX standard will fit on any case that accepts ATX motherboards as they all use the same mounting, port arrangement and power supply.

Again, be careful of case sizes, mid and full tower cases can accommodate small or larger motherboards while smaller cases can only accommodate smaller motherboards so be aware of the case and motherboard size.

The Micro-ATX motherboard you are looking at will fit all small, mid and full tower cases.

There are various companies out there that make good motherboards, some of the best out there are Foxconn, Intel, aBit, EVGA, Asus and MSI from the ones I can remember right now.

The number before the first x when mentioning ports means the number of ports available on a motherboard so for example 2 X PCI or 2 X ddr2 means that the motherboard has two standard PCI slots and two DDR2 memory slots.

In the case of video card ports (AGP 4x, AGP 8x, PCI-Express 16x) means the speed (bandwidth) that the video card can run at, the higher the number before the X the faster the card runs. AGP is an older port which is being replaced by PCI-Express, AGP and PCI-Express ports are not compatible with each other. The speed of a port is mentioned in parenthesis after the part name.

PCI Express(x16) ports are only used for video cards, PCI Express (x1) ports are smaller and are used for other types of add-on cards. This one is the replacement of PCI ports.

And yes, when a processor says that it comes with a cooling fan included that means that it also comes with both the heatsink and its fan.
post #20 of 47
Thread Starter 
Thankx ok whats the differents between a heat sink and a cooler and a fan?
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