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Received my NEW 9750 on Tuesday - VERY Unimpressed with AWC so far...

This is not just a bashing post here. I AM impressed with the "feel" of the 9750 and the "awe" factor associated with "owning an Alienware" laptop, but I have had little time to put the new 9750 to real use - so my pleasurable experience stops there for now, and at this point the "luster" is beginning to wear off...

I am really UNimpressed with my "back end" experience with Alienware so far. I am actually a little surprised a company with such a high PR profile and supposed reputation for quality, performance and careful attention to detail would have so many loose ends on the back end support side of things.

When I received my system, and after opting for the AlienRespawn option (v 1.0 for XP), I decided, like I normally do with my other systems, to create a 20GB primary partition for the OS (the rest of the single physical drive would be divided into two other partitions for my work platform migration purposes). My plan was to use the AlienRespawn, which is basically a bootable CD with Ghost and a companion DVD that is supposed to have the image file(s) of your system as it was shipped from "the factory."

Well, for some reason my ghost image was spanned across two files (I guess for FAT file system (DOS) compatibility?), and the second file was erroring out. Ghost would get to the 74% complete mark and request the second image file to continue, but would throw the error "Not a valid spanned file (522)." So, basically I had to scratch the idea of using the $50 AlienRespawn option to restore the "factory" image. Meanwhile, I was now looking at a image on my hard drive that was only 74% complete. Upon further investigation I found I couldn't even copy the second image file off the DVD as it was apparently a corrupt file. I tried several computers with different DVD drives, to no avail.

I understand that file corruptions can occur when writing/burning files, etc., and so did AW as they offered to refund me the $52.30 for that restoration software "convenience." BUT I think they should raise their "Alienware 200-Point Quality Control Process" to 201 points and include testing the image restoration option/process (when ordered by the customer) BEFORE it gets shipped to the customer.

So, I tell AW support not to worry, that I have installed many an OS in my 39 years (14 years in CS/IT) (and I would just handle it myself with the AW OEM Windows XP Pro CD and their "Support CD" containing the drivers for my system - well, supposedly.

To make a long story short, I could never get the Audio to work again after my install attempts and calls to "support," even with them using AlienContact to remotely work with my 9750. Here is what I've learned thus far:

1. They don't build the systems in this country, and once your system is built you can't get a copy of the image (or even a copy of a similar image) from them after that initial shipment. Actually, I think they could if they really wanted to support their customers.

2. They "can't" (wouldn't) supply me a software architecture "build sheet" to help guide me through the process of installing the OS like they build it - me thinking I must need to install drivers in a specific order due to the apparent conflict along the way with the Realtek HD Audio and the Bluetooth Audio Gateway. I asked if they could just ask one of the techs that builds the software portion of their systems for an ordered list of a basic install on their base laptop. After a lot of excuses the tech finally told me they aren't assembled in Miami (or in the country), contradicting his earlier statement that they are built there.

3. The drivers CD contains both incorrect (NVIDIA) and obsolete drivers, and my "MyHive" support area also has some software/drivers that are incorrect for my system.

3. I have learned there are other recent purchasers with this same issue (with the audio) and many who found AlienRespawn to be unusable.

The current theory I am exploring (based on information found here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=195793 ) is that the AW OEM XP CD-ROM is a defective version of the OS. So, I am currently using another copy of XP Pro to see if this issue is resolved.

Alienware support is really horrible at truly trying to get problems researched and solved. If I can do this, why can't they (assuming I am working towards the correct solution)? The primary reason is a real lack of care. I started troubleshooting this online myself and by trial and error.

Shame on you Alienware!

I will post updates as I have anything more compelling to share.
post #2 of 39
funny hadnt had any problems when i re did my XP on my m9750 all the drivers were fine...which country are u from...because my computer was built in the USA... I have never had CS not be able to help with any problems with my computers... if a driver is not correct then they would find the driver that I needed and send me the link for the driver...instead of using the respawn cd just use the OS disk that is provided in the manual... yeah u may have to install the drivers off the other cd but its not that bad to do...mine came with the respawn and the OS disk along with a driver disk...with the audio issue make sure you dont have the sound disabled.. hit Fn+F6 to make sure its not disabled...
post #3 of 39
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Hi, yes, and thanks for your input.

I have already done everything you recommend and have been in a 1 hour and 13 minute support session with tech support where they got on my PC and could not get it working. I am also not the only customer with this issue (see the link in my original post). I am, right now, conducting an install from one of MY OEM XP Pro CDs, since theirs produced the aforementioned results. I will post if this works or fails. If it fails, back it goes because I have spent the better part of two days going through this issue. The standing theory is that the AW OEM XP Pro disk has a problem in its build. The AW OEM XP Pro CD is something AW created above and beyond what comes by default from Microsoft.
post #4 of 39
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PS - I am in Atlanta, Georgia, USA
post #5 of 39
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Here is my install from tonight, which yielded the same results of no sound from the laptop and no compatible devices listing in the Audio options except the Bluetooth Audio Gateway:

01/10/2009 @ 18:00
- Installed Windows XP Pro
- Increased Resolution to Native 1440x900
- Show My Computer on desktop option
- Changed drive letter assignments in Disk Manager
- Installed SP1a (because SP3 would not work without it being installed first)
- Installed SP3
- Disabled Windows Firewall and Updates
- Changed the way Security Center alerts me - all to none

From AW OEM "Support CD"
- Installed Intel Chipset Drivers (8.2.0.1012) (restart)

As per AW Support Advice
- Installed Realtek HD Audio Drivers (1.84) downloaded from www.realtek.com.tw (restart)
*installed but after reboot did not show an audio card

From AW OEM "Support CD"
- Installed Agere Modem Software/Drivers (2.1.72.0) (restart)
- Installed NVIDIA Software/Drivers downloaded from MyHive (6.14.11.5675) (restart)
- Installed Intel PROSet/Wireless Software/Drivers (11.1.0.86) (restart)

Validated Windows and performed Windows Update
*didn't need to update anything substantial

- Installed Synaptics Touchpad Pointing Device Software/Drivers (8.3.18.0) (restart)
- Installed Ricoh Media Card Reader Software/Drivers (7.0.0.1020) (restart)
- Installed BisonCam Webcam Software/Drivers (2.6.0.77) (restart)
- Installed Funtion Key Controller Software/Drivers (1.5) (restart)

! This install did NOT yield Realtek HD Audio funtionality
- Removed Realtek HD Audio Drivers (1.84) downloaded from www.realtek.com.tw (restart)
From AW OEM "Support CD"
- Installed Realtek HD Audio Software/Drivers (1.58) (11.50.0.43969) (restart)
! This install did NOT yield Realtek HD Audio funtionality
- Installed Bluetooth Software/Drivers (5.0.1.2800) (restart)
- Installed Marvell Miniport LAN Software/Drivers (8.55.5.3) (restart)

*confirmed that, once again, Bluetooth Hands-Free Audio shows up in Sounds and Audio Devices Properties, but no other device is available in the list and laptop produces no sound through the built-in speakers.

Performed Windows Update
*Installed two recommended .NET software updates
post #6 of 39
go to ur device manager and see if ur sound tab has any exclamation marks on them.. then click on them and hit reinstall and place the driver disk in there... also you may have rement drivers from the old drivers... you might want to try and get a program that will take out the old drivers to make sure there are no ghost drivers hanging around which would cause issues...like a driver cleaner...
post #7 of 39
i will try to delete my audio drivers and thing and try to reinstall them... but it maybe tomorrow hopefully i can figure out whats going on... were here to help you....
post #8 of 39
i deleted my realtrek audio manager stuff and when i restarted my computer it just reinstalled it for me without me doing anything
post #9 of 39
ill have to do more research on this issue...
post #10 of 39
Everybody knows Alienware systems are built on the mothership, in space, by aliens...

That's a lot of typing for a bad respawn disk...

Are you running windows update before installing the drivers? Sometimes windows update misidentifies hardware and loads the wrong drivers borking the system.

Make sure the bios is correctly set to use onboard audio.

The base platform for the m9700/m9750 are built in Taiwan by Arima for Alienware. The hardware ordered is installed into the base platform by Alienware in Miami per each customer's orders. Taking a base platform and adding hardware is considered manufacturing in electronics, so technically they're manufactured in the US though the base platform and many components are made overseas.

It sounds like you have bad sound hardware or wiring on your motherboard. Don't know if that would crate an issue with the respawn or not, but if you're loading windows from a standard disk, and XP isn't recognizing the sound device, either the device is bad, or you've got a driver conflict somewhere.

Have you tried disabling bluetooth audio and see if anything shows up? I have an m9700, and my device manager shows bluetooth, but it also shows the SoundMAX sound device that's in the m9700.

Did the sound work when you first received the system?
post #11 of 39
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Okay, some quick answers...

YES, it worked when I first got it. It was running on the image from the factory.

I have tried all sorts of install approaches. When using the first AW OEM XP Pro CD I repartitioned the hard drive and allocated a single 20GB partition for the OS, then formatted NTFS, so there was nothing left from the earlier image OR fractional image as littlefrankus suggests.

Keep in mind the order of the install above, Bluetooth isn't even in the picture untill the very end.

And I SP1a and SP3 prior to drivers on that install (not on earlier ones) because my OWN XP Pro cd is from before and SP releases, and the AW installer won't work apparently without SP2 (I believe, perhaps SP1a but didn't try it)

The AW OEM XP Pro CD comes SP2.

As for their their manufacture location, I am going on what the tech said to me, that he couldn't get me a build list or sheet, or that I couldn't talk with someone responsible for the software builds because they don't do that there, not even in the country. Let's think about that for a moment... if they get these things from Arima and finish them here in the US, at what point is someone putting an image or installing an OS on the hard drive. This either means it is really assembled elsewhere like the guy said, or he lied about where they do it (remember he contradicted his earlier statements to me).

I can only imagine the facility they show on their website and there is a room somewhere in the facility where base OS images are being copied onto laptops and desktop hard drives (inside or outside of their intended systems), or full software installs (doubt that Very much) are taking place. So, why can't my tech walk back to one of those guys or girls who are performing their work and either a) get me an image (stick it out on an FTP site for me to download or something) or, b) get software architecture advice from the build techs on how they install the OSs there.

I appreciate the advice and help here, I really do, but I have a LOT of experience in this process. I used to manufacture PC years ago. I do builds all the time on machines and once I get a stable virgin OS ready for a machine I Ghost it and use the image from that point on if I need to revert back to the virgin install, or another image further developed and derived from the original virgin OS image.

I have installed this with and without the Bluetooth device. I have used the AW drivers from their CD and site for the Realtek and have followed the advice from the tech where he sent me to the Realtek.com.tw website to get their latest (R1.84) driver, all to know avail.

Also, there is only one !Exclamation point in the device manager - for a PCI device, that has been there each time I have attempted a build. It is under system devices (as if it is something in the chipset or motherboard (perhaps for the second hard drive?) or the RAID, which I didn't order and am not using (this is a single hard drive configuration). The tech saw this and didn't see it as an issue or THE issue.

My biggest concerns are that AW doesn't seem to be going the proper distance to really take care of this problem. Really, how hard can it be to tap the shoulder of a build tech and ask them to make an extra DVD copy of the disk image of a similar build (mine is a pretty basic 9750) so it can be sent to the customer or made available via FTP to me and other customers who are having this issue (There ARE others).

This isn't rocket science

Sorry for the long post an quick typing job on this (may have missed something)
post #12 of 39
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I know this is a lot of typing but this is the length to which I go to troubleshoot an issue like this before I point fingers and send systems back to manufacturers (likely today).
post #13 of 39
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AND THIS IS NOT RELATED TO THE 9750, but should serve to demonstrate my build approaches and documentations:

02.27.2005 01:30 PM

Windows XP Professional Installation
Partition 5123MB C:\ (5.0 GB)
Partition Remaining D:\ (48.8 GB)
Partition 2047MB E:\ (1.99 GB)
Full Format NTFS C: & D:
Full Format FAT E:

02:15 PM - from emOEM Disk #3
Installed emOEM AMD Athlon Driver
Installed emOEM VIA Hyperion 4 in 1 Drivers (4.48v)
Installed emOEM Synaptics Pointing Device Driver
Installed emOEM Realtek Semiconductor Corp. AC'97 Sound System Software
Installed emOEM "VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adapter" VT8231/VT8233/VT8235/VT8237 Integrated LAN software package (winsetup.exe)
Installed emOEM Broadcom 802.11 Wireless Network Drivers Release 3.30.15.0
Note: You must go to Device Manager and update the driver manually
You must go to connection and further enable connection
Attempted emOEM ATI MOBILITY RADEON Series Drivers / Software (failures)
Installed emOEM Generic USB Card Reader Driver v2.2c with Disk Monitor Utility
Installed emOEM Smart Link 56K Modem Driver
Installed emOEM USB Card Reader Driver v2.2c

050227 03:30 PM Windows Update - The following updates were installed successfully:
Q329048: Security Update
Q323255: Security Update (Windows XP)
Q329390: Security Update
Q329115: Security Update (Windows XP)
329170: Security Update
811630: Critical Update (Windows XP)
810577: Security Update
Q329441: Critical Update
817606: Security Update (Windows XP)
823559: Security Update for Microsoft Windows
Security Update for Windows XP (329834)
Security Update for Windows XP (KB828741)
Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 (KB834707)
Security Update for Windows XP (KB840987)
Security Update for Windows XP (KB841533)
Security Update for Windows XP (KB873376)
Security Update for Windows XP (KB833987)
810833: Security Update (Windows XP)
Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - February 2005 (KB890830)
Security Update for Windows XP (KB841356)
Security Update for Windows XP (KB835732)
Critical Update for Windows XP (KB887822)
reboot
Windows XP Service Pack 1

Configure Network - Joined REMOVED

Relocated Swap File to D:\ and Set Static Value 768 MB

*** GHOSTED 050301CV.GHO ***

ATI MOBILITY RADEON Failing - Sending Machine in For Repair

050317 - Received machine repaired with new hardware

070411 1300 - from eOEM2 Drivers
Installed emOEM2 ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600/9700 Series Drivers / Software (express)
Configured Power/Standby Options
Uninstalled emOEM Generic USB Card Reader Driver v2.2c with Disk Monitor Utility
(DID NOT Install emOEM2 Generic USB Card Reader Driver v2.2e with Flash Icon)

070411 1400 - Installs
Installed AboutTime MSIE
Installed TextPad 4 (typical)
Installed Color Picker 1.8
Installed Cool Ruler
Installed TweakUI 2000
Installed Trend Micro Internet Security 2006
Installed IrfanView 3.99
Installed IrfanView Plugins 3.99

070416 0830 - Installs
Installed Macromedia Studio MX (default to D:\Program Files)
Installed Micro$oft Office 2003 (default to D:\Program Files)
REMOVED
Installed Adobe Acrobat 4.0

070418 0530 - Installs
Installed QuickBooks Pro Edition 2003 (default to D:\Program Files)

070400 0000 - Installs
Windows Update

070420 0000 - Installs
Windows Update - Internet Explorer 7

070421 0309 - Installs
Broadcom 54g Software/Driver

070430 1130
Installed Macromedia Dreamweaver 8 (default to D:\Program Files)
Installed Macromedia Fireworks 8 (default to D:\Program Files)

070826 1330
ACS3 D&F (default to D:\Program Files)
Removed M Dw,Fi 8
Removed M Fh,Fl,Em MX
post #14 of 39
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JUST A QUICK REPLY TO LET EVERYONE READING THIS THREAD KNOW THAT MY ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED BY ALIENWARE.

I don't have time to post the details yet (more on the fix later/soon), but in the interest of fairness, I wanted to provide this update because someone reading this thread may be considering a purchase from Alienware.
post #15 of 39
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Originally Posted by BobbyNGa View Post
Okay, some quick answers...

YES, it worked when I first got it. It was running on the image from the factory.

I have tried all sorts of install approaches. When using the first AW OEM XP Pro CD I repartitioned the hard drive and allocated a single 20GB partition for the OS, then formatted NTFS, so there was nothing left from the earlier image OR fractional image as littlefrankus suggests.

Keep in mind the order of the install above, Bluetooth isn't even in the picture untill the very end.

And I SP1a and SP3 prior to drivers on that install (not on earlier ones) because my OWN XP Pro cd is from before and SP releases, and the AW installer won't work apparently without SP2 (I believe, perhaps SP1a but didn't try it)

The AW OEM XP Pro CD comes SP2.

As for their their manufacture location, I am going on what the tech said to me, that he couldn't get me a build list or sheet, or that I couldn't talk with someone responsible for the software builds because they don't do that there, not even in the country. Let's think about that for a moment... if they get these things from Arima and finish them here in the US, at what point is someone putting an image or installing an OS on the hard drive. This either means it is really assembled elsewhere like the guy said, or he lied about where they do it (remember he contradicted his earlier statements to me).
You were likely talking to a tech in their call center in Costa Rica. The manufacturing is in Miami.

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I can only imagine the facility they show on their website and there is a room somewhere in the facility where base OS images are being copied onto laptops and desktop hard drives (inside or outside of their intended systems), or full software installs (doubt that Very much) are taking place. So, why can't my tech walk back to one of those guys or girls who are performing their work and either a) get me an image (stick it out on an FTP site for me to download or something) or, b) get software architecture advice from the build techs on how they install the OSs there.
Long walk from Costa Rica to Miami... AW does flash an image onto the drives from their main system prior to shipping new systems. They put diagnostic programs and games for testing that they don't want to send out to customers, so the last step before shipping is a complete wipe and reflash of the OS. The Critical Issues Team should be able to resolve this for you, they're a special support unit in Miami that has direct access to the engineers.

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I appreciate the advice and help here, I really do, but I have a LOT of experience in this process. I used to manufacture PC years ago. I do builds all the time on machines and once I get a stable virgin OS ready for a machine I Ghost it and use the image from that point on if I need to revert back to the virgin install, or another image further developed and derived from the original virgin OS image.
I do the same, I've had six systems from Alienware now, and not had an issue with respawn or fresh OS installs from their OEM disk. Your issue is very confusing... Only thing I can think of is you need to install the RAID drivers whether you use RAID or not. If the sata ports on the mobo connect to the RAID controller, it will need the drivers like the older m7700.

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I have installed this with and without the Bluetooth device. I have used the AW drivers from their CD and site for the Realtek and have followed the advice from the tech where he sent me to the Realtek.com.tw website to get their latest (R1.84) driver, all to know avail.

Also, there is only one !Exclamation point in the device manager - for a PCI device, that has been there each time I have attempted a build. It is under system devices (as if it is something in the chipset or motherboard (perhaps for the second hard drive?) or the RAID, which I didn't order and am not using (this is a single hard drive configuration). The tech saw this and didn't see it as an issue or THE issue.
I would tend to think that's a clue... BTW, I'm not sure about the m9750, but with the older m7700, you had to load the RAID drivers whether you used RAID or not. There were two versions, RAID and non-RAID. You had to do that as the sata drives ported through the onboard RAID controller no matter how you had it configured. Might try loading the RAID drivers available in the "my hive" section to be sure. If you don't have a usb floppy drive to load the drivers, you can slipstream them onto a windows install cd with a program called "nLite". It's free, and it works well.

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My biggest concerns are that AW doesn't seem to be going the proper distance to really take care of this problem. Really, how hard can it be to tap the shoulder of a build tech and ask them to make an extra DVD copy of the disk image of a similar build (mine is a pretty basic 9750) so it can be sent to the customer or made available via FTP to me and other customers who are having this issue (There ARE others).
AW has, in the past, tried to create respawn disks for customers without having their machine in the shop, and it's apparently been a nightmare. It's now their policy to not even try to send out an image that isn't made on the specific machine it's for.

I'm wondering if the OEM windows install isn't misidentifying the sound device and loading drivers that are stopping you from updating... I recall having issues with errors in the pci section of the device manager with one of my systems with a soundblaster. Windows was loading an improper sound driver through windows update making my system unable to play sounds, and it wouldn't let me reload fresh drivers as dregs of the old stuff was still on the system. Sounds similar to what you're getting. I don't know of any driver cleaners that would list realtek as one of the targets...

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This isn't rocket science

Sorry for the long post an quick typing job on this (may have missed something)
Well, it's not rocket science, but it is a strange situation. The m9750 uses the C2D processor, which up until the m9750 didn't support SLI. They're using a different SLI chipset than the m9700, which uses a desktop chipset. There can be conflicts, but I don't have any idea how it would affect sound...

I'm at a loss as to how to advise, so I guess you'll have to continue to pursue this with AW support. When you call next, ask to speak to a critical issues team tech. They're in Miami, and have more leeway to offer solutions. Perhaps one of them can either get an image for you, or speak directly with the engineers at AW HQ and get your issue resolved.

Sorry to hear you're having this issue. Communication can be difficult with AW, but as frustrating as it is, they won't abandon you without addressing the issue. It may just require you to send the laptop back so they can reinstall the OS from their system and re-image the respawn.

The only other option I can think of for the meatime is to get an Xtreme Audio soundblaster expresscard slot soundcard. You shouldn't have to do that, but it will get you sound.
post #16 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbyNGa View Post
JUST A QUICK REPLY TO LET EVERYONE READING THIS THREAD KNOW THAT MY ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED BY ALIENWARE.

I don't have time to post the details yet (more on the fix later/soon), but in the interest of fairness, I wanted to provide this update because someone reading this thread may be considering a purchase from Alienware.
Shoulda read this first...

I'd like to know what the issue was when you have a chance, so I can help anyone else that has the same issue in the future, when you have a chance...
post #17 of 39
My "Respawn Image" wouldn't boot. I had to re-install the operating system and drivers from the drivers CD - pretty poor. And my laptop with a 3 year warranty that's 1 year old is not supported by AW cause I'm not the original owner - are they really that much afraid of supporting their product - I guess so.

My AW Desktop failed its DVD ROM the first week I owned it - AW's solution - ship the system back for assessment. I plugged the exact same DVD drive out of my son's Dell - no problems. I told AW this, would they ship me a replacement - NO. Even when I guaranteed the drive was DOA and if it wasn't I'd pay for it.

I really lke the products but the support is worthless IMHO !
post #18 of 39
No one is curious about the sp3? As far as I'm aware it's still beta, why he's installing that before drivers puzzles me. I would stick with sp2, install the drivers (chipset, video, audio, remaining), then run the 90 or so windows updates.
post #19 of 39
im running sp3 and i havent had any problems but he should install the drivers first then the update
post #20 of 39
That would rule out sp3 (or any updates) as the cause of the audio problem.
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