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Wait for the 17x or perhaps grab a sager?

post #1 of 36
1/16/08 at 5:38pm
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NON-FLAME THREAD PLEASE!

I own an AW m7700...I love it, I have ZERO problems with AW (except the coneited customer service dept., but that would never keep form buying an AW!!).


But PC Torque is currently taking oders for the 9262 with a 2.93 ghz processer (not just the 2.88 like AW) with twin 8800GTXs in SLI (obviously not shipping yet). seriously maxed out at around $5,4000 WITH three year warranty, it seems to be as much of or more of a machine than the m17x...BUT NOT nearly as sleek, not the kind of machine that gives me (personal opinion here, no flaming) the pride of ownership that the 17x would (like buying a Mercedes when a Subaru or something else is just as good but not as sleek).

That seems childish, I know...but here's the ulimtate question, if both machines spec out as even and PC Torque can get the 2.93 processer but AW can't, what are the pro's AND con's of a Sager vs. an AW?

I ask in all honesty as someone who OWNS and AW but not a Sager...

thanks for any insight....
pat!
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post #2 of 36
1/16/08 at 6:22pm
If you're happy with Alienware, and won't mind the .05 Ghz difference in processor speed, then wait for the m17x. From the way your post is worded, I think you'll be kicking yourself once its out and you got the Sager.

Good luck with your decision.
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post #3 of 36
1/16/08 at 6:30pm
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I suppose you're right on the 'kicking myself!'...but what if there is a substantial (say $400-$500) price difference? I don't know, I guess I'm just 'spit-balling' while I wait to spec out the 17x....

.....i do find it hard to believe that AW isn't letting you pre-order, however...

pat!!!
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post #4 of 36
1/16/08 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by pad11 View Post
I suppose you're right on the 'kicking myself!'...but what if there is a substantial (say $400-$500) price difference? I don't know, I guess I'm just 'spit-balling' while I wait to spec out the 17x....

.....i do find it hard to believe that AW isn't letting you pre-order, however...

pat!!!

The processor pctorque is offering on that particular model is a desktop processor. It is surprising that they are not supporting quad core (from what I saw) in that model. I would much rather have the merom mobile processor than the desktop. If you want the absolute most powerful gaming system with better pricing; the 17x isnt your best bet. If you want almost the best performance with the BEST looks and feature set with a more expensive price; go alienware. Dont underestimate the power of looks. This is a lot of coin to drop on a system and you want to have it look good! The alienware will be hawt in a cafe.
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post #5 of 36
1/16/08 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by pad11 View Post
NON-FLAME THREAD PLEASE!

I own an AW m7700...I love it, I have ZERO problems with AW (except the coneited customer service dept., but that would never keep form buying an AW!!).


But PC Torque is currently taking oders for the 9262 with a 2.93 ghz processer (not just the 2.88 like AW) with twin 8800GTXs in SLI (obviously not shipping yet). seriously maxed out at around $5,4000 WITH three year warranty, it seems to be as much of or more of a machine than the m17x...BUT NOT nearly as sleek, not the kind of machine that gives me (personal opinion here, no flaming) the pride of ownership that the 17x would (like buying a Mercedes when a Subaru or something else is just as good but not as sleek).

That seems childish, I know...but here's the ulimtate question, if both machines spec out as even and PC Torque can get the 2.93 processer but AW can't, what are the pro's AND con's of a Sager vs. an AW?

I ask in all honesty as someone who OWNS and AW but not a Sager...

thanks for any insight....
pat!
I will be reviewing the 15x in two weeks and the 9262 in February. Think you could wait that long?
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post #6 of 36
1/16/08 at 7:42pm
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Dave, no question about the 'WOW' factor of owning an AW...owning one now that is, in contrast, understated, I still get that 'WOW'. So yeah, I'm definitely weighing that into my decision!

Steve, I think I'm going to HAVE to wait because I have no interest in a 15" version and it doesn't look like AW is making any movement on setting up their pre-order template for the 17x! So I will await your reviews w/ baited breath!

thanks,
pat!
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post #7 of 36
1/16/08 at 8:58pm
I wouldn't touch a Clevo with a desktop processor if you paid me.
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post #8 of 36
1/16/08 at 9:09pm
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That was kind of my concern and the PC Torque rep wouldn't answer that exact question....the 2.88 processor is mobile, however...

I mean, I'm heavily leaning towards the m17x, but 1) It's nice to price shop in that you get some insight into other prices and 2) I think it's bad-form for AW to not even have the pre-order/order/price listing site for the 17x up yet. They debuted the darn thing in November....geeez...

..but that's just me getting impatient but I'm a bit peeved by the 15x being released and there's nothing on the 17x...but again, the whole patience thing, i know...

pat!
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post #9 of 36
1/16/08 at 9:40pm
hey pad11 your not looking to sell your m7700 are you? What about a trade with an m9700?
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post #10 of 36
1/16/08 at 9:52pm
pat,

Give yourself some air and I'll say wait for both available, AT LEAST for ordering. Have you seen m17x form factor yet? NO. In fact no one does at this point. What if, the m17x, is only 1.3 or 1.6 thick compared to Sager >2.0inch? What if, what if, what if.

About the process, can I know what is one of your basic programs that you run that require that much different of mhz? Plus, desktop proc means higher heat dissipation which is not good in a laptop form factor. Think again, pat.
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post #11 of 36
1/16/08 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by pad11 View Post
That was kind of my concern and the PC Torque rep wouldn't answer that exact question....the 2.88 processor is mobile, however...

I mean, I'm heavily leaning towards the m17x, but 1) It's nice to price shop in that you get some insight into other prices and 2) I think it's bad-form for AW to not even have the pre-order/order/price listing site for the 17x up yet. They debuted the darn thing in November....geeez...

..but that's just me getting impatient but I'm a bit peeved by the 15x being released and there's nothing on the 17x...but again, the whole patience thing, i know...

pat!
I don't think its bad form. Would alienware EVER not hype a product if they could? Its POSSIBLE that there are more delays with the SLI notebooks. Maybe there are just a lot of compatibility issues they are going to go through. Alienware typically tests more stringently than other companies and the other companies aren't even selling them yet. "mid to late feb" has not changed in over a month. It could be march for all we know before alienware will even be able to start taking orders.
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post #12 of 36
1/17/08 at 3:15am
I'm guessing they are still working something out with SLI on the 8800M GTX cards, since Sager is also showing late Feb for that model.

Guys ... remember (if you were around) what happens when they allow pre-orders too far in advance. People get excited ... send their money, then have to wait months and get very agitated. At least this way, you know something is coming, but you aren't out any $$, and ultimately have less frustration --- even if it doesn't seem that way now.
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post #13 of 36
1/17/08 at 6:56am
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der red, very good point...just breath, i know!

motok, sorry, my 7700 gets turned into the 'family computer!' I.E., my eight year old gets an Alien!

Dave, I agree and disagree with you, if that's possible...the least we could do is have the build specs so we know what's coming price wise but you're right, AW usually does hype things like mad.

Shazza...very good points, still, it would be nice to know what we have to choose from.

Thanks all! Particularly on all the points about a desktop processor, very helpful.

later,
pat!
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post #14 of 36
1/17/08 at 7:49am
It could be AW is still testing all the hardware and don't know what they'll be able to offer. I know one I've never seen, and that's a new product that comes out with less than they said it would. With new/altered SLI drivers, I'm sure AW wants to check drivers for other hardware for compatibility reasons. It would suck on their part to ship out brand new 8800M GTX SLI laptops and then have to deal with a driver conflict. No telling how many people would return, cancel, or order something different. Give them a chance; we know they're working hard on it.
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post #15 of 36
1/17/08 at 9:36am
the gager <-lol is out already. the m17x is not.... i'd wait but that's me.... you get to see what both 17 form factors offer. is my opinion... nothing to lose that way..
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post #16 of 36
1/17/08 at 5:14pm
i'm in a similar situation except i'm trying to decide between the m15x and the 5792/3.

on the one hand, the aw has the keyboard. It's not just glitz, a backlit keyboard is useful. It's got the mobile switch. I've had great experiences with dell service and i project that on to AW now, and i still feel hesitant to spend $3k+ on anything from a small vendor. Sorry pctorque, xotic, etc.

The sager is $500 - $600 cheaper, is available with penryn, and well that's about all that i see there. still, penryn is nice.

One of my friends has the 9262. He likes it alot and it seems plenty powerful. It is kind of a dud to look at though.

My current decision is to just wait and see if AW is going to offer penryn, or at least read some reviews of the m15x.

I think you should just wait too. The sager's are probably not going to change much, if you can hold out for a month or two, it would probably be worth it.
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post #17 of 36
1/17/08 at 5:36pm
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yeah, i'm definitely going to wait...but IMHO, AW should at least communicate what's going on...buy then again, there's that patience thing my wife is always talking to me about!!!

pat!
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post #18 of 36
1/17/08 at 6:00pm
i think that kind of communication is a double edged sword to them. They probably don't want you to buy a sager, but they don't want people to stop buying their current offerings because they know the 17x will be out in X months, or penryn will be offered in 3 weeks, whatever.

What i don't understand is why companies like dell and alienware don't have penryn already.
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post #19 of 36
1/19/08 at 1:16am
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Originally Posted by Steve@NBF View Post
I will be reviewing the 15x in two weeks and the 9262 in February. Think you could wait that long?


You will regret buying the Sager once the m17x comes out. The m17x looks way better.
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post #20 of 36
1/19/08 at 2:25pm
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I believe I'm going to 'hold' for the m17x, but I'm just curious what the price difference will be...plus, with AW dragging their feet on releasing build specs, I'm wondering if they're running into problems...and you are CORRECT, the m17x is the sweetest looking lappy i've seen!!!

pat!
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