Why Sager wasn't in the Maximum PC Laptop Faceoff ??? - Page 2

Marq, I must respectfully disagree with your comment. They did care what the check revealed. They cared about the following two items:

"Paid to" and "Dollar Amount".

you can't draw comparisons with an overclocked 8790 (if you're referring to the 4000+ benchmark that Adam achieved on 3dmark03- if not, my apologies ) to other machines running on stock settings

at stock settings i believe that the 8790 compares relatively equally with the XPS at stock settings (somewhere in the 3400 3dmark03 range)

i'm just really surprised that alienware would come in second considering they benchmark around 2700 with 3dmark03 on stock settings from what i could gather in the AW forums

but i'm sure max pc is taking into consideration some other factors like case design, upgradeable graphics module, and of course advertising dollars Somehow that's how i think AW pulled off the win with the tech tv notebook faceoff (mostly with their case design and upgradeable graphics- guess the tech tv reviewer didn't know that the xps has upgradeable graphics as well, though not as easy to do as the AW but still easy enough with anyone with half a brain and two hands) even though the XPS won in every benchmark

Now if we can only get XPS/8790 performance into a chassis like the AW 51m.................ahhhhh is that too much to ask for?

That's what the 5690 is for.

Of course not and I expect them to run about the same at default since they use the same graphics chip. I was simply making a point that time and time again sager's have proven their ability to overclock and in the end outperform all other laptops. I have not seen an XPS reach the same scores yet.

True but ads will also increase prices to the consumer. In the end I'd rather have a cheaper system. Anyone that does their DD when it comes to laptops should be able to find sager as an alternative.

i was just saying... for those that put in the effort to look around... and willing to put their trust into a brand (like i did when i bought my laptop.. Sager, who?)... it isn't hard to find a good performer for a good price... but of course, most mainstreamers just say, hey... i'll buy a Dell... it was a good ad... or even a bad ad... just something that stuck in their mind.

it's almost like getting a tune stuck in your head.

And the number one reason there wasn't any SAGER present at the shoot-out.
It wouldn't be fair to the other guys!

I looked at the Go-L Hollywood Gold. Is it just me or does it look exactly the same as the Sager 8790... with the same features point for point... but costs twice as much! Anyone else notice this?



Regards,
Sean

Many, many, many discussion on GO-L. Search is your friend, please use it. Button is on the top of the screen. Use it and you will be busy for the better part of an hour.

DOH!

Uh, yeah! Which is why I consider Go-L totally bogus. Which makes Max PC fairly bogus as well. Which makes that shoot-out pretty much meaningless. Perhaps if there are hard benchmarks posted in the article. those might have some value. The rest is subjective. Is an AW with its alienface case better than an otherwise identical SAGER or a Voodoo with its Tiki Tattoo. Aesthetics that don't affect or influence the performance are a matter of personal preference and as such, shouldn't be a part of any scoring. If the author wants to put his/her own two cents in on the subject in a sidebar or as part of a conclusion, I've no problem with that, but assigning performance points on the basis of looks, that's plain silly.

Wow, i wonder if you guys have rally ever read MaximumPC. They have consistently been one of the most conscientous reviewers of products, and I have routinely seen them trash products that are very prominently advertised. Obviously, they can't review every single laptop under the sun in their roundups, that would simply require immense amount amounts of staff, time, and money. So they must try to narrow the focus abit, and find representative samples of different products, and try to make them some of the most popular, well-known brands, since no one wants to read a round-up review comparing a bunch of stuff they have never heard of before. Seeing that two companies you've never heard of are duking it out on the cover of the magazine does not sell magazines. Seeing that some of the biggest heavyweights in the industry are duking it out does sell magazines. Obviously they can't go out and buy a brand new, fully loaded laptop of each and every kind out there, as that would cost a bloody fortune, so they rely on companies to volunteer products for review - usually the reviewed products are shipped back after testing/evaluation, but sometimes not, that is all at the discretion of the company offering the product for review. As another poster mentioned, the Voodoo laptop was essentially a sager (rebranded clevo), anyway, so there is very little incentive for them to go out and get a sager specifically, since it will be almost the exact same product except for small differences. I have seen a few Sager adds in MaxPC as well (check page 35 of the april issue). They also cannot provide continuous around the clock coverage for every product for every firmware or design revision. Just cuz you guys are fanboys of a particular product, and that product doesn't get reviewed or it gets panned, it's not a conspiracy.....it's just the breaks.

oh yeah, i got the "Go-L" issue too, though I think it's in the garbage now. As I recall, however, they gave Go-L some high marks for technical innovation in some areas (like th Pu-Ram, as unfortunately named as it is), but also blasted them for others. It was hardly a "flying colors" article as I recall.

Well I think we can now clearly say the 5690 is the best performing machine at stock speeds:

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=21251

It's clocked much higher than the 8790 or XPS but then that seems to be the released "stock" speeds so that's a fair comparison isn't it?