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post #41 of 180
I know that , that isn't the problem here. The tab that locks on the 8 pin is too wide to allow the connector to be inserted. You might want to read a lil about the problem so you are not pissed when it gets there .

8 pin issue from Nvidia

"A subset of these modular connectors have a mechanical latch that is too wide and do not fit the 8-pin PCI-E power connector on the GeForce 9800 GX2 graphics card."
post #42 of 180
Well I can either use the 8 pin, or I can break it off, its lazer cut to be removed if I don't want it.


oh weird...Just read what your saying...I actually have it set to just 6 pin right now,,I just snapped off the extra 2 pins and its only as wide as the 6 pin...I DUNNO LOL should work:?


All I know is this 9800 Better be better then my ultra.
post #43 of 180
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9800GX2 review...

XFX GeForce 9800 GX2 600M 1GB

Author: Tim Smalley
Published: 18th March 2008 Comments (55) Email to a friend Stumble

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...raphics_card/1

XFX's GeForce 9800 GX2 graphics card

Manufacturer: XFX
UK Price (as reviewed): £434.73 (inc. VAT)
US Price (as reviewed): $599.99 (ex. Tax)

Over the past twelve months, we've only really seen a couple of high-end graphics card releases and it's something that's worried me a little. And considering many developers have come out and said that consoles are now their primary development platform, citing reasons ranging from piracy to massive programming challenges that make a developer's life difficult, there is every reason to be worried.

It had me thinking – have we finally reached the limits of where PC graphics technology is going to go for the time being? After all, the next generation consoles are said to be the primary development platform and they're not going to get any faster until the next cycle comes around.

Developers that are leading development on one of the consoles and then porting their efforts to the PC aren't spicing things up massively. Even our favourite industry spokesperson, Mark Rein, says that the graphics in Crysis are as good as it's going to get on the PC for a while.

With all of this going on in the foreground, the graphics industry has been rumbling away in the mid-range for a while – releasing a slew of new mid-range parts designed to win the hearts and minds of gamers. While we're big believers in bang for buck, we also need a healthy high-end market to continue to drive technology forwards and to allow the hardware vendors to deliver incredible value in the mid-range.

I think it's fair to say that the unprecedented leap in performance delivered by the GeForce 8800 GTX back in November 2006 really surprised the market—almost shell-shocking it into a corner—and there really hasn't been any new high-end products to really get excited about since then.


Old and New -- Nvidia's GeForce 9800 GX2 next to the GeForce 7950 GX2

The GeForce 8800 Ultra launched at the start of May and was nothing more than a speed bumped GeForce 8800 GTX. Indeed, in its standard form, it wasn't much faster than some of the partner-overclocked cards that were available for much less. Meanwhile, the Radeon HD 2900 XT launched just a couple of weeks later and didn't live up to all the hype – it merely competed with the GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB and did so with sub-par anti-aliasing performance and exceedingly high power consumption.

Speaking of the GeForce 8800 GTS, Nvidia confused matters in December when it launched the G92-based GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB. This is a card that featured a full 128 stream processors—up from the 112 that were featured in the GeForce 8800 GT—much like we'd believed when the latter launched at the end of October, but still featured the same 256-bit memory interface. Despite this, it gave the GeForce 8800 GTX a very good run for its money—even at 1920x1200—and between the two G92-based cards, there was little reason to buy anything else on the market if you'd got more than £150 to spend. And if you were looking to game at 2560x1600, a pair of GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB cards in SLI were sufficient.

In between the two G92 launches, AMD didn't stop working to get back on the straight and narrow, as it had been busily tweaking R600's design to deliver similar performance at a considerably lower power envelope. In November, the company rolled out the impressive RV670 chip with the introduction of the Radeon HD 3850 and Radeon HD 3870 cards. These two products slotted into the mid-range or performance-mainstream market and now compete against the Nvidia's aggressively-priced GeForce 9600 GT and GeForce 8800 GT cards.


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So, there wasn't much movement in 2007 at the high-end with just one new high-end product launched, but AMD had indicated in November that it was working on a new high-end card – the Radeon HD 3870 X2. It was ATI's first dual-GPU board since the ATI Rage Fury MAXX in 1999 and it worked pretty well in the grand scheme of things. It went a long way to fixing many—but not all—of the drawbacks of multi-GPU graphics cards – installation was seamless and it supported multi-monitors without having to disable CrossFire. Both of these were great and performance wasn't too bad either... as long as there was good CrossFire support enabled in both the game and the driver.

I'm sure many of you will remember back to the GeForce 7950 GX2 – it was Nvidia's last attempt at a multi-GPU 'single' card and it was supposed to be a show of the company's faith in its SLI platform. Sadly, the card's reputation was marred by poor driver support in Windows Vista and many partners' GeForce 7950 GX2s claimed 'Windows Vista Essentials' support on the packaging. Indeed, it took until March for the company to properly support the card and allow it to perform the way customers would expect.

Well, today Nvidia is back to have another go, as it is launching its GeForce 9800 GX2 errr... card. Before we get onto the hardware itself and XFX's retail bundle, it's time to have a look at the architecture and technology behind the card. 1 - Nvidia GeForce 9800 GX2 2 - Nvidia GeForce 9800 GX2 architecture 3 - Nvidia GeForce 9800 GX2 architecture 4 - What's the first thing you do when... 5 - XFX GeForce 9800 GX2 600M 1GB 6 - Let there be light... 7 - Let's talk about drawbacks 8 - XFX GeForce 9800 GX2 Box & Bundle, Test Setup 9 - Crysis 10 - Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 11 - World in Conflict 12 - BioShock 13 - Supreme Commander 14 - The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 15 - Enemy Territory: Quake Wars 16 - Power Consumption 17 - Final Thoughts Comments (55) Email to a friend Next page
post #44 of 180
I have had nothing but problems with xfx cards...Awesome customer service but all of my cards from them have crapped on me.
post #45 of 180
what date was teh GTX pushed back to?
post #46 of 180
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Originally Posted by Steve@NBF View Post
what date was teh GTX pushed back to?
April 1st.

fools day.
post #47 of 180
k thx
post #48 of 180
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Originally Posted by GbrilliantQ™ View Post
April 1st.

fools day.
ah well better read bout quad sli in the meantime

Nvidia gives Quad SLI the green light once more
Posted by: Cristian on March 25, 2008 16:54

As stealthy as with last week's releases, Nvidia has today welcomed back Quad SLI. Bringing together one nForce SLI-ready motherboard, preferably a 790i/780a high-end board and two GeForce 9800 GX2 cards, Quad SLI is marketed as being the ultimate graphics setup for the 'Uber Gamer'.

Quad SLI with two 9800 GX2s is now Nvidia's top offer for those with sufficient budgets but since it requires quite an investment, it's better to see the performance increase it brings before doing anything 'radical'. To find out what Quad SLI can do you can read the reviews posted today like those:

@ AnandTech
@ HotHardware
@ FiringSquad
@ t-break
@ [H] Enthusiast
@ Guru3D
@ DriverHeaven
@ Legit Reviews

http://www.tcmagazine.info/comments....=18863&catid=6
post #49 of 180
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Can this graphics card e-GeForce 9800 GX2 1024MB run on this power supply:

http://thermaltakeusa.com/product/Po...0116/w0116.asp


http://www.evga.com/products/moreInf...01G-P3-N891-AR

on the one hand they say a min of 600W PSU is required but then the amperage might be the problem
post #50 of 180
Almmohd, that power supply will be just fine!
post #51 of 180
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hey Rockinfella2k thanks for the response. I asked the EVGA tech support the same question and I just got an answer from them and he's saying no. so this has me a bit confused since they said 600W was good. I just bought this power supply for my new build and I don't want to have to replace it to upgrade to a 9800gx2 or the gtx whichever way I decide to go.




GeForce 9800 GX2 Review - Page 1 of 4
Article By Mike Chambers - March 18, 2008 INTRODUCTION

Today NVIDIA is unveiling the GeForce 9800 GX2, which replaces the GeForce 8800 Ultra as their most powerful Graphics Processing Unit (GPU). Last generations GeForce 8 Series has been NVIDIA's most successful GPU to date as gamers who invested in the high-end 8800 GTS and GTX graphics card have enjoyed well over a year of top-notch 3D performance and image quality to match.
The GeForce 9 Series officially launched last month with the debut of the mid-range GeForce 9600 GT. Without any knowledge of the remaining GeForce 9-based GPUs that NVIDIA plans to launch, the GeForce 9800 GX2 appears to be destined as their high-end GeForce 9 Series offering.

XFX GeForce 9800 GX2
What makes the GeForce 9800 GX2 unique is that it features two GPUs working in tandem on a single graphics card. However, unlike the architecture of a dual-core processor, where one of the cores may be idle, the GPUs on the GeForce 9800 GX2 are fully utilized when they operate in SLI (Scalable Link Interface) or Multi-GPU mode. The GeForce 9800 GX2 is reminiscent of the GeForce 7950 GX2, which launched in June of 2006. One of our systems still uses the GeForce 7950 GX2, although it is primarily being used to play World of Warcraft under Windows XP.
Multi-GPU Configuration
As with the GeForce 7950 GX2, the GeForce 9800 GX2 relies on SLI to achieve maximum performance. SLI was originally introduced as a technology to scale 3D performance by employing the services of a second graphics card and has evolved into the capability to use a third graphics card in forming a 3-Way SLI configuration with the GeForce 8800 GTX or GeForce 8800 Ultra.
Quad SLI, which employs four GPUs, became a reality with the GeForce 7950 GX2 and second generation technology will be utilized by the GeForce 9800 GX2. Second generation Quad SLI relies on 4-way alternate frame rendering (AFR), which will provide optimal performance scaling under DirectX 9, DirectX 10, and OpenGL applications. NVIDIA continues to fine-tune their drivers for Quad SLI and we will have to wait until they give the go-ahead to publish performance results.
EVGA GeForce 9800 GX2
Note that most forms of SLI use multiple graphics cards, which requires a motherboard with NVIDIA's nForce SLI Media Communications Processor (MCP) or Intel's SkullTrail platform, which uses two nForce 100 MCP chips embedded on the motherboard. Although the GeForce 9800 GX2 relies on SLI technology, it is confined to a single graphics card and thus makes it a high-end solution for motherboards with AMD and Intel chipsets.
SPECIFICATIONS
A partial specifications listing of the GeForce 9800 GX2 appears below, which is compared to the GeForce 8800 Ultra and GeForce 8800 GTX. Perhaps the most important specification to pay attention to is the amount of graphics memory. Although the GeForce 9800 GX2 features a total of 1GB, each GPU is allocated 512MB. Both the GeForce 8800 GTX and GeForce 8800 Ultra feature 768MB of graphics memory, which can provide a significant edge in performance over graphics cards that have 512MB of memory at extremely high resolutions, texture detail settings, and levels of antialiasing.
Specifications Comparison
The GeForce 9800 GX2 features HMDI (High Definition Multimedia) and SPDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interconnect Format) connections. An HDMI connection provides output to high definition displays, such as LCD TVs, while audio can be passed through to HDMI via SPDIF when connected to the appropriate header on the motherboard or sound card.
The GeForce 9800 GX2 also supports NVIDIA HybridPower and PureVideo HD technologies. HybridPower conserves power by switching to a motherboard GPU for graphics operations rather than using a discreet graphics card. PureVideo HD provides high definition video playback while offloading processing cycles from the CPU to the GPU. PureVideo HD also features dynamic color and contrast enhancement, dual stream decode with picture-in-picture content and HD playback in Windows Vista's Aero desktop mode. Note that updated versions of your favorite DVD player software may be required to use these features.




http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/geforc...x2/index.shtml
post #52 of 180
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Originally Posted by Rockinfella2k View Post
Almmohd, that power supply will be just fine!
well i was persistent and i got the following answer after telling them that it had an 8-pin pci-e connector:

"As long as it has the 8 pin PCI-e connector and a 6 pin PCI-e connector and meets the minimum power requirements it may work, but please keep in mind the list we have is tested and we can assure you that the ones listed will work without a problem. Please let me know if I can be of any additional assistance."


post #53 of 180
Almmohd...Here is what i'd do if I was you...Pick up a Antec 850 Watt power supply it has both 4 x 8 pin connectors which can be brought down to 6 pin by snapping 2 off(MADE TO DO IT)...


I got mine for like 220 minus 40 mail rebate (took 4 months LOL)


Its been an AWESOMEEEE Power Supply and the Racing stripes look cool in the case...Hope this helps.
post #54 of 180
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Originally Posted by Rockinfella2k View Post
Almmohd...Here is what i'd do if I was you...Pick up a Antec 850 Watt power supply it has both 4 x 8 pin connectors which can be brought down to 6 pin by snapping 2 off(MADE TO DO IT)...


I got mine for like 220 minus 40 mail rebate (took 4 months LOL)


Its been an AWESOMEEEE Power Supply and the Racing stripes look cool in the case...Hope this helps.
wish i could get that rebate but i'm not in the US. don't know why i didn't buy the 1200W version of the thermaltake to begin with.
post #55 of 180
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looking at that last review i copied into my post the 9600gt looks pretty good in sli. got a question though, i don't know too much about sli but if you have two 9600gt's, can you connect 4 monitors to the PC?

and if you have three graphics cards on your motherboard can you connect 6 monitors?

I'm waiting to see what the 9800 gtx to see what i should do with the pc:
options:
keep the one 9600gt
buy another 9600 gt and have the two in sli
upgrade the 9600 to 1 9800 gx2 (not going to get 2 at least for now, high price and new psu required)
upgrade the 9600gt to the 9800gtx
upgrade to the 9800gtx and buy another one for sli (depends on the power connector requirements, i don't want to buy a new power supply just yet considering the first one is 2 weeks old)
post #56 of 180
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NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX Early Test!


Introduction

If you found yourself underwhelmed by the performance that the 9800 GX2 provided, Nvidia’s new GeForce 9800 GTX could be the graphics card for you with its lower price point and single GPU.

We’re not expecting the GTX to be faster than the GX2 by any means but hopefully we see it perform well against it as well as showing some competiveness against AMD’s HD 3870 X2 and the overclocked 8800 GT which gives us similar numbers to the standard clocked G92 8800 GTS 512MB.

Initial pricing on the 9800 GTX looks promising; down under we should see it pop up for under $500 AUD which puts it into a bracket that doesn’t really exist at the moment.

For roughly 15% more (sometimes less) in the money department you can get yourself an HD 3870 X2 and this really is going to be the GTX’s toughest competition. While the X2 may be a dual GPU card it doesn’t carry the excessive price tag that we see on NVIDIA’s dual GPU card, the GeForce 9800 GX2. We all know these dual cards don’t always provide great performance in all games due to untweaked driver support, so our tests today should be rather interesting indeed.

With a graphics card and driver CD only, once again provided anonymously, but without letter this time, we will check out the GeForce 9800 GTX in all its glory before we get into the all important benchmarks.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/13...ion/index.html
post #57 of 180
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from the way things are looking i think maybe i'd better get two 9600GT's the only downside is i can't have 3 in sli
post #58 of 180
why in the hell would you want 3 in sli???I dont think that would keep up with a single 9800GX2 but the price would. Just get a GTX or GX2
post #59 of 180
Whats this 4870x2 card coming in May? I have only read about it here.

Any details out in the wild? thanks

(still building on paper, don't think I'm going to go for the 9800x2 though unless they release that multimonitor driver fix)
post #60 of 180
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Originally Posted by Rockinfella2k View Post
why in the hell would you want 3 in sli???I dont think that would keep up with a single 9800GX2 but the price would. Just get a GTX or GX2
two 9600gt's work as well as one gx2 at the lower resolutions. and one gt looks great with crysis (i have one 9600gt and i can play crysis on high in xp and very high in vista @ 1360 x 768... game feels a little heavier in vista but the graphics are still smooth). i don't want 3 in sli really but it would have been nice a year or two from now and the price dropped considerably.

i mean everybody is saying the 9 series is not next gen so why spend so much money on a gx2s or a 9800gtx (or2)?

I'm not sure what i'll do as yet though, i have the option to step up my 9600gt let's see what the gtx price is in april...i think 2 9600gt's should be able to keep me happy though.

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