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post #81 of 180
3/30/08 at 11:47pm
Donkey, if I recall you were the one heading up the 2 8800Gt's were better then 1 8800 Ultra...Did you ever find any credible source to back it up? This is a battle you cannot win man, 8800 Ultra OWNS, as does the 9800GX2, so just stop fighting for lower technology.

I know you love you 8800GT because its cheaper, but remember you get what you pay for, hook yourself up with a 30 inch Dell LCD and lets see how that GT pars against either of the top dogs
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post #82 of 180
3/30/08 at 11:58pm
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Originally Posted by Rockinfella2k View Post
Donkey, if I recall you were the one heading up the 2 8800Gt's were better then 1 8800 Ultra...Did you ever find any credible source to back it up? This is a battle you cannot win man, 8800 Ultra OWNS, as does the 9800GX2, so just stop fighting for lower technology.

I know you love you 8800GT because its cheaper, but remember you get what you pay for, hook yourself up with a 30 inch Dell LCD and lets see how that GT pars against either of the top dogs
Killin me. Better off with 2 9600gt's over the Ultra.

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post #83 of 180
3/30/08 at 11:58pm
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Originally Posted by Rockinfella2k View Post
Donkey, if I recall you were the one heading up the 2 8800Gt's were better then 1 8800 Ultra...Did you ever find any credible source to back it up? This is a battle you cannot win man, 8800 Ultra OWNS, as does the 9800GX2, so just stop fighting for lower technology.

I know you love you 8800GT because its cheaper, but remember you get what you pay for, hook yourself up with a 30 inch Dell LCD and lets see how that GT pars against either of the top dogs
Obviously if you crack up the res enough, the 8800GT will fall below them. I don't deny that, I'm just trying to say...for THIS SITUATION which is what the topic is, he does not need a high res powerhouse, he needs something that will run games at his res without a problem.

Sure the 9800GX2 will provide the same or maybe some more FPS, however at his res he doesn't need to spend the extra cash for it.

I only support purchasing the appropriate product for the needs of the user, not going for absolute power in all cases. No argument that your 9800GX2 is the top of the pack at the moment
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post #84 of 180
3/31/08 at 12:42am
Hulioni...Is that the MSI Ultra at 660mhz, or the STOCK 600mhz Ultra....Makes a huge difference, talking close to 1-2k points in 3dmark06 and prolly a significant increase in FPS?

I am impressed the 9600GT hang, so I will agree with you 2 is a definetly possible choice..But 2 8800GT's are going to be far under...The 9800GX2 is 2 x 8800GTS, so the 2 x 9600 GTs are again way ahead!


Also I really wasn't fighting the 9600s, so I retract if I said they could not hang, but at this point the 8800GT is falling short.
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post #85 of 180
3/31/08 at 12:46am
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Originally Posted by Rockinfella2k View Post
Donkey, if I recall you were the one heading up the 2 8800Gt's were better then 1 8800 Ultra...Did you ever find any credible source to back it up? This is a battle you cannot win man, 8800 Ultra OWNS, as does the 9800GX2, so just stop fighting for lower technology.

I know you love you 8800GT because its cheaper, but remember you get what you pay for, hook yourself up with a 30 inch Dell LCD and lets see how that GT pars against either of the top dogs
Im gona go out on a limb here and fell free to punch me/yell at me or whatever but I dont think the Donkey cares enough to go SLI or drop a few Benjamin's on a new card when the one he has now can serve him well for another few years.

As for the discrepancies between the cards Ill leave that between you two lol
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post #86 of 180
3/31/08 at 12:54am
I will agree...I know donkey loves his 8800GT and at its release it was a superiorly, cheap, inexpensive way to go...For him it is the final solution until its time to upgrade...I however I will push for the 9' series for anybody looking to upgrade at this point. Either get a used 8800 Ultra for 350 or so, or a 9600 or 9800...
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post #87 of 180
3/31/08 at 1:01am
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Originally Posted by Rockinfella2k View Post
Hulioni...Is that the MSI Ultra at 660mhz, or the STOCK 600mhz Ultra....Makes a huge difference, talking close to 1-2k points in 3dmark06 and prolly a significant increase in FPS?

I am impressed the 9600GTS hang, so I will agree with you 2 is a definetly possible choice..But 2 8800Gts are going to be far under...The 9800GX2 is 2 x 8800GTS, so the 2 x 9600 GTs are again way ahead!


Also I really wasn't fighting the 9600s, so I retract if I said they could not hang, but at this point the 8800GT is falling short.
MSI or not it isn't goin to make up 20 fps. Just like the cache man, just like the cache . And 2 8800gt's are faster than an Ultra too. You are crackin my ass up. The 8800gt's and the GX2 are almost the same in performance. The GX2 can edge out the gt's with a large oc overhead though (run mine at 740/1125 from 600/1000) and more shader processors. I had two gt's (700/1000) now two GX2's but wtf do I know . I only had them and benched them . You are the man .

K, I'm done. Performance/price I'd get another 9600gt to go with the one you have now.
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post #88 of 180
3/31/08 at 1:01am
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just saw the price of the gtx: $370 @ amazon
eVGA e-GeForce 9800 GTX 512 MB DDR3 PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card-Lifetime Warranty 512-P3-N871-AR by EVGABuy new: $369.99
not n stock as yet though

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post #89 of 180
3/31/08 at 1:16am
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check this out technical specs for the 9800 gtx
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3146/evgahs3.png

http://forums.tweakguides.com/showthread.php?p=82960
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post #90 of 180
3/31/08 at 1:54am
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MSI or not it isn't goin to make up 20 fps. Just like the cache man, just like the cache . And 2 8800gt's are faster than an Ultra too. You are crackin my ass up. The 8800gt's and the GX2 are almost the same in performance. The GX2 can edge out the gt's with a large oc overhead though (run mine at 740/1125 from 600/1000) and more shader processors. I had two gt's (700/1000) now two GX2's but wtf do I know . I only had them and benched them . You are the man .

K, I'm done. Performance/price I'd get another 9600gt to go with the one you have now.

are you sure...Cause their website said the 9800GX2 is 2 x 8800GTS and now your telling me its 2 x 8800GT ???

yes 60MHZ can make up a 20FPS frame difference hate to burst your bubble.

Pick up a e6300 and a e 6850, clock them the same, and run 3dmark, I assure you the 6850 will run faster just merely because of the cache, I have run this test so I know.
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post #91 of 180
3/31/08 at 2:08am
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what settings do you use in 3d mark06?
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post #92 of 180
3/31/08 at 2:12am
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Originally Posted by Rockinfella2k View Post
are you sure...Cause their website said the 9800GX2 is 2 x 8800GTS and now your telling me its 2 x 8800GT ???

yes 60MHZ can make up a 20FPS frame difference hate to burst your bubble.

Pick up a e6300 and a e 6850, clock them the same, and run 3dmark, I assure you the 6850 will run faster just merely because of the cache, I have run this test so I know.
There is a difference between reading and comprehension, you prove that . You show me in my post where I said that a GX2 is two 8800GT's. I also told you about the difference in cache, as I compared the E6850 to the E8400 clock for clock. Nm your a total waste of time.

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yes 60MHZ can make up a 20FPS frame difference hate to burst your bubble.
Your killin me, just killin me.


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Also I really wasn't fighting the 9600s, so I retract if I said they could not hang, but at this point the 8800GT is falling short.
You make no sense . The 8800gt is a higher performance part than the 9600gt.

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post #93 of 180
3/31/08 at 2:39am
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Originally Posted by Rockinfella2k View Post
are you sure...Cause their website said the 9800GX2 is 2 x 8800GTS and now your telling me its 2 x 8800GT ???

yes 60MHZ can make up a 20FPS frame difference hate to burst your bubble.

Pick up a e6300 and a e 6850, clock them the same, and run 3dmark, I assure you the 6850 will run faster just merely because of the cache, I have run this test so I know.
Memory no where dat of a pachyderm there Rockinfella2k...hate when that happens!!!



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post #94 of 180
3/31/08 at 2:42am
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Originally Posted by Rockinfella2k View Post
are you sure...Cause their website said the 9800GX2 is 2 x 8800GTS and now your telling me its 2 x 8800GT ???

yes 60MHZ can make up a 20FPS frame difference hate to burst your bubble.

Pick up a e6300 and a e 6850, clock them the same, and run 3dmark, I assure you the 6850 will run faster just merely because of the cache, I have run this test so I know.
http://guru3d.com/article/content/428/14/

That Ultra was pushed to 690mhz and got around 10fps more at 1920. So 30mhz less would mean it would be around 7mhz more?

And before you say it's something about old games and such. This would relate to other games as well. =)

overclocking 60mhz won't do much attall.
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post #95 of 180
3/31/08 at 11:59am
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what settings do you use in 3d mark06?

By almmohd at 2008-03-31
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post #96 of 180
3/31/08 at 12:02pm
Teh normal resolution for 3dmark06 would be 1280x1024
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post #97 of 180
3/31/08 at 1:47pm
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9600gt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gCQX...c,13293.0.html
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post #98 of 180
3/31/08 at 1:58pm
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Teh normal resolution for 3dmark06 would be 1280x1024
what settings would you recommed for establishing a baseline benchmark?
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post #99 of 180
3/31/08 at 6:14pm
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what settings would you recommed for establishing a baseline benchmark?
Like GBQ said, run it at all stock settings. 1280 x 1024 is used by most for a baseline.


Anyone else hear rumors that GT200 is still goin to use 65nm process ? I know they don't like to launch a new architecture and a die shrink at the same time but wasn't the latest batch of chips the die shrink? Seen this at vr-zone. Hope it's just them assuming.



"No it is not some April Fool jokes. VR-Zone has learned that there will be two high end parts from Nvidia to replace the current GeForce 9800 GX2 and 9800 GTX in Q3. These two parts are GeForce 9900 GTX and GeForce 9900 GT based on the new GT200 architecture. GeForce 9800 GX2 and GTX will have a short lifespan since they will be replaced in a couple of months time. Nvidia has positioned GeForce 9900 GTX to replace 9800 GX2 and this gave a clue that a single GT200 card will actually outperform a dual G92 card. Likewise for GeForce 9900 GT, outperforming and replacing 9800 GTX. CJ revealed to us that Nvidia will have a hard time fitting GT200 onto the PCB since the GPU is gonna be large and very power hungry so we can probably assume it is still 65nm based. The PCB for GT200 will be P651."
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post #100 of 180
3/31/08 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by hulioni View Post
Like GBQ said, run it at all stock settings. 1280 x 1024 is used by most for a baseline.


Anyone else hear rumors that GT200 is still goin to use 65nm process ? I know they don't like to launch a new architecture and a die shrink at the same time but wasn't the latest batch of chips the die shrink? Seen this at vr-zone. Hope it's just them assuming.



"No it is not some April Fool jokes. VR-Zone has learned that there will be two high end parts from Nvidia to replace the current GeForce 9800 GX2 and 9800 GTX in Q3. These two parts are GeForce 9900 GTX and GeForce 9900 GT based on the new GT200 architecture. GeForce 9800 GX2 and GTX will have a short lifespan since they will be replaced in a couple of months time. Nvidia has positioned GeForce 9900 GTX to replace 9800 GX2 and this gave a clue that a single GT200 card will actually outperform a dual G92 card. Likewise for GeForce 9900 GT, outperforming and replacing 9800 GTX. CJ revealed to us that Nvidia will have a hard time fitting GT200 onto the PCB since the GPU is gonna be large and very power hungry so we can probably assume it is still 65nm based. The PCB for GT200 will be P651."
ha ha ha ha ha...they just released them and now they're replacing them?
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