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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I received my 8790-S yesterday morning. I have not had a whole lot of time to do a complete evaluation. But I will post my thoughts on the laptop so far.

This is not the fastest computer I have owned but it is defiantly the fastest laptop I have ever owned and this is my 8th laptop. Don’t get me wrong it is a nice computer it’s just not as fast as a high end Desktop workstation.

The specs:

85 Sager 8790-S Notebook: 8790-S
1008 Display: 17" WXGA+ LCD (Widescreen
1440 X 900)
1034 Processor: P4 3.4GHZ Northwood CPU
1009 Video: 256MB ATI Radeon Mobility 9700
(M11)
850 RAM: 1024MB 400DDR Dual Channel
(2-512MB)
842 Main Hard Drive: 60GB 7200RPM
999 Media Drive: 2X DVD+R/-R/RW/CD- No
702 Keyboard Layout: USA
1025 TV Tuner/Subwoofer: Subwoofer
1010 Modem: 56K RJ11 Phone Modem
853 Network Card: 10/100/1000 NIC
494 Operating System: No Operating System
1023 Battery: 8 Cell Li-Ion Smart battery

990 Car Adapter: Direct Car adapter
1041 Wireless Network: Internal 802.11g
TURBO (108Mbps) wireless
852 Bluetooth: Internal Bluetooth
1028 Card Reader: Internal 7-in-1 Card
Reader
1029 Camera: Integrated Digital Video

Installation of the OS and drivers was a breeze. I did have to uninstall the Omega drivers because of a 0X8E error, which is a driver issue, BIOS or memory. I chose the driver and the issue has not returned.

Stock Performance:

11,848 3D Mark 2001
3,379 3D Mark 2003
27,064 AquaMark3

This was done with the standard Sager Video Drivers. I imagine if I install Power Strip I would get the same score as Adam got when he overclocked ATI card since the stock specs are nearly identical.

I installed and played last night Far Cry, UT 2004 and HALO all at max setting at 1024 x 768 and everyone played just fine. I’m so impressed on how well it play I think I will bump up the resolution tonight and may install Power Strip if I need to bump the Video Card up a tad to play at higher resolution.

Sound:

If there was anything that made me say WOW it was the sound. This is defiantly the best sounding speaker set on a notebook I have ever heard. Enough said.

Wireless:

I have a few issues with the wireless connection 80% of the time when I make a call I lose the signal. I have moved the Linksys router out of my office into another room away from the 2.4 GHz Plantronics phone bases station. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Bluetooth:

There seems to be an issue with the internal Bluetooth interfering with my phone. It causes bad static on the line. I disabled the Bluetooth in the device manger and the static ended if I enable it static is back. Again, any suggestions would be appreciated. I want to get a Bluetooth mouse.

7 in 1 Card Reader:

This is a great device and it works fine.

LCD:

Very bright screen and NO DEAD PIXELS. I think I personally would prefer a higher resolution but 1440 x 900 is not bad.

Noise:

The fan noise is a little louder that most laptops but you get use to it in a day. The DVD Burner is a bit noisy as well. Hope it’s not defective.

Heat:

The palm rest get a little warm but not bad. I think it not that hot at all compared to the Sager 5670.

Appearance:

Overall looks is pretty cool. The two coolest things that stand out are the Blue Buttons and the Chrome around the touchpad.

Keyboard:

This keyboard is awesome. I type all day long on my computer and it is very solid and the palm rest is very sold while resting your hands on it.

IEEE1394:

OMG, could they have put the port somewhere else besides the front!

Conclusion:

This is a very nice Desktop replacement. If you need portability day to day do not get. But if you need high end Work Station Notebook this is your ticket. Despite the few issues I have ATM I really like this laptop. I believe that the less Technical Savvy person might find it frustrating because the manual is not very good at explaining the extra features.

Overall I give it 4 out of 5.
post #2 of 15
For WiFi, Try settings changes to different channels to see if the reduces/cures the interferance. Also, use the microwave as it may hamper the WiFi on some channels.
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
This thing is a beast. I have been playing Far Cry at 1440 x 900 all setting set on Very High and i runs soooo smooth not 1 studder. UT 2004 at 1152x864 everything set on the highest setting at it runs flawess as hell I just wish they had a setting of 1440x900 in UT 2004.

I was so impressed I thought I would go crazy so I connected a 17" CRT monitor and set the resolution to 1600x1200 and set Far Cry and UT 2004 to 1600x1200 and again everything maxed. When I started the game I was cringing then OMG it started and both bames ran so smooth. This laptop has some serious gaming power.
post #4 of 15
Hello Corrupted;
Hello G_Omaha,
It is nice to hear somebody enjoying his 8790,congratulations Corrupted.
Gary would remmber me possibly because I have been talking to him about following problem. I know that he sent his system back so I could use your help.
Since you guys have 8790 you might help me out on one problem with my 8790. I got the system on friday and I tried to torture little bit by Burn_in Test by Pssmark(Version 4.0 Pro) to see how reliable it is. my 8790 hasn't been able to pass that 15 minutes burnin test yet. I only tested CPU(math&MMX),graphics(sD&3D) and the RAM nothing else. Sadly,each time it failed and locked up itself. Individual testing modules(only CPU or RAM or graphic) pass the test but not all.

If you guys can try to run this burn-in software and post your result I appreciate the effort. If you don't have the software you can download here
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/bitpro.exe.(first program in the list)

I was thrilled when I got the system first but now thrill has gone...

Thanks for help in advance.
post #5 of 15
I haven't run the burn-in personally. I have a few cosmetic grumps, but performance-wise, it's a beast. If it didn't pass the test, then what's that tell me? Not sure. Maybe it's a telling sign of future problems, I don't know, but on the other hand, if you don't notice any performance hits, then why let that small thing take your thrill away?
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by esub
Hello Corrupted;
Hello G_Omaha,
It is nice to hear somebody enjoying his 8790,congratulations Corrupted.
Gary would remmber me possibly because I have been talking to him about following problem. I know that he sent his system back so I could use your help.
Since you guys have 8790 you might help me out on one problem with my 8790. I got the system on friday and I tried to torture little bit by Burn_in Test by Pssmark(Version 4.0 Pro) to see how reliable it is. my 8790 hasn't been able to pass that 15 minutes burnin test yet. I only tested CPU(math&MMX),graphics(sD&3D) and the RAM nothing else. Sadly,each time it failed and locked up itself. Individual testing modules(only CPU or RAM or graphic) pass the test but not all.

If you guys can try to run this burn-in software and post your result I appreciate the effort. If you don't have the software you can download here
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/bitpro.exe.(first program in the list)

I was thrilled when I got the system first but now thrill has gone...

Thanks for help in advance.
I ran Prime95 Torture Burnin test for about 3 hour and it pased all test. I know that Prime95 is a burnin tool of choice by many. I can certianly give yours a try though.
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by esub
Hello Corrupted;
Hello G_Omaha,
It is nice to hear somebody enjoying his 8790,congratulations Corrupted.
Gary would remmber me possibly because I have been talking to him about following problem. I know that he sent his system back so I could use your help.
Since you guys have 8790 you might help me out on one problem with my 8790. I got the system on friday and I tried to torture little bit by Burn_in Test by Pssmark(Version 4.0 Pro) to see how reliable it is. my 8790 hasn't been able to pass that 15 minutes burnin test yet. I only tested CPU(math&MMX),graphics(sD&3D) and the RAM nothing else. Sadly,each time it failed and locked up itself. Individual testing modules(only CPU or RAM or graphic) pass the test but not all.

If you guys can try to run this burn-in software and post your result I appreciate the effort. If you don't have the software you can download here
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/bitpro.exe.(first program in the list)

I was thrilled when I got the system first but now thrill has gone...

Thanks for help in advance.

Mine failed on that test as well. But I was monitoring it and it seems that everything goes though the cycles except the DVDR drive. It just set there searching for data. I put a windows XP CD in the Drive but maybe thats not goos enough. So I suspect that the DVDR Drive is what is causing the failure. Try using Prime95, mine works fine on that one and it stress your hardware harder. If you fail on Prime95 tune your GPU down if your overclocking it but if not I would call Sager. But I'm pretty sure that it an issue with the softeware and our CD Drives.
post #8 of 15
Hi,
Thanks for the information guys. I would like to give some detailed information about the tests I have run so far. I run memtest86 to check whether RAM has some problmes according to it there is nothing wrong with it. I checked the RAM also CPU-Z to see whether they are identical or not and working in the dual channel mode. I haven't run prime95 yet but I will.

Now,about the burn-in tests:

I am only testing graphics,RAM and CPU nothing else. I will post the fps counts I got after 15 minutes burn-in test using BurnIn Test V4.0 Pro by Passmark software. Since I have 8790 and 8890 next to each other I will give those results for each of them so that you can compare and see if there is any abnormalities. Notice that 8790 has 256 MB radeon 9700 and 8890 has 128MB radeon 9600.

I run the test in the following manner. First, I tested graphics only then I run the test again but this time I added also RAM test too (graphics+RAM) and at last I run the combined test which consists of Graphics,RAM and CPU tests. Here are the results I got.

1.Graphics only(2D&3D): 8790 around 1400fps, 8890 around 1000fps
2.Graphics+RAM : 8790 between 550-700fps, 8890 between 850-950fps
3.Graphics+RAM+CPU : 8790 between 50-70fps, 8890 between 370-650fps

At (3) 8790 has never passed yet, it has been locking up itself at each test so far and the duration of the test is just 15 minutes. (anyhow,8790 freezes on me in the first 1 or 2 minutes)

What do you think guys, is it hardware problem or software? Should reinstall the drivers and the operating systems too?

Well, it may seem that I am exegareting little bit but failing in burn-in test in the first 1 or 2 minutes bothers me alot. I would like to be aware of any problems (if there is any) with the system before it is too late.

FriedToast, I red your reviews couple of times and I don't care minor problems such as fan noise, low resolution as long system operates perfectly. I will enjoy my system like you as soon as I figure this problem out.

Corrupted: Could you test your system by using the configurations above. You may combined them two by two if you like, for example mine has always failed for the combination of just CPU(math&mmx) and graphics(2D&3D). I din't even add the other modules to my testing configuration. If you have time I appreciate any input on this matter.

Once again thank you guys and enjoy your 8790.

ersoy
post #9 of 15

Esub - Asking the same question in many threads

Test can be selected/deselected from a Menu (Preferences) that states what is to be tested and how it is to be trested. Esub, I don't believe that you have ever answered my previous question about which test failed exactly. Simply stated (3). I'm a bit dense and don't know what that means exactly. Here are a few more detailed questions that will help me try to help you.

While the test is running, are the categories displayed:

CPU - Maths (Y/N)
CPU - MMX / SSE (Y/N)
Memory (RAM) (Y/N)
2D Graphics (Y/N)
3D Graphics (Y/N)

Is anything else displayed other than what I posted (above)? (Y/N)

Like CD/DVD ( D: ) or DISK A: or DISK C:? (Y/N) If yes - provide a list.

What is the error message that appears in the column "Last Error Description" for each test that failed.

When you started the tests, what warning messages were posted?
post #10 of 15
HI Gary,
I appreciate your help and your willingness to help me out on this matter,thank you.

I thought I posted what options I used for testing as follows:

1.Graphics only(2D&3D): 8790 around 1400fps, 8890 around 1000fps
2.Graphics(2D&3D)+RAM : 8790 between 550-700fps, 8890 between 850-950fps
3.Graphics(2D&3D)+RAM+CPU(math,mmx) : 8790 between 50-70fps, 8890 between 370-650fps

I only tested CPU,RAm and graphics at their full capacity(100%),I mean:

CPU - Maths (Y,100%)
CPU - MMX / SSE (Y,100%)
Memory (RAM) (Y,100%)
2D Graphics (Y,100%)
3D Graphics (Y,100%)

(these are displayed during testing nothing else as I only chose them to be tested)

I chose those options in the test configuration. There are many options to test video,sound,optical drive,disks,network,USB..... Since I don't care of them I just used CPU,RAM and graphics.

Running the tests individually is no problem,they passed the test individually. When I combined those three modules it failed all the time. Even I chose only CPU and RAm to be tested the rewsult is frustrating,it locks itself up all the time. CPU,RAM and Graphics are tested togethar but result is the same, complete lock down.
As for the error messages :There is no error message because it freezes when it fails.
post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 
I just wrote it off as a software issue. I am able to do my work, play my demanding game at high setting with not one issue. That's good enough for me.
post #12 of 15
Never ever had that type of problem and I had all of the setting on and at "maximum". Don't know if it s software issue or an interoperability issue between the CPU and RAM. I would try to download and use another burin utility ans see if the failings are persistant - If so, then there may be a problem. Sorry, but can't give more/better advice/comments.

Gary
post #13 of 15
Uninstalled and redownloaded the software and now I am experiencing the same problem that you describe. Sometimes the "bit" software abends and produces a dump; while other times it does not and just "hangs" the machine. I accomplished these "new" tests on my current machine that was running the tests without any problems prior to this version.
post #14 of 15
You have almost suffered the same problem with me,thanks a lot.
I would have some doubts about the Burn-in software but it runs perfectly on 8890 so I crossed this possiblity. As you pointed out there might be some competability
issues or interoperability promlems. If you remember Gary,I received this machine less than 30 hours from the order time. I might have been sent a defected or not-tested machine, I don't know.
Anyway,I will contact either PCT or Sager again on monday and I will see what it is going to be. I guess I will open up 8890,apply AS5 and fix the keyboard. Afterall doesn't have to be 8790! It is nice looking fella but I believe 8890 is hard working ugly guy.

I will let you know the end result of my battle. Thanks again for your help and have a nice day.
post #15 of 15
I missed your last post because I was writing my new post. :-)

before using Burn-In Software I downloaded it again for couple of times and I tested both machines with the newly downloaded software but results never have changed. 8890 passes all tests and 8790 locks itself up.
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