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system freeze on ubuntu linux, but not on windows :(

post #1 of 18
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Recently I built a new PC, and installed Windows Vista and Ubuntu Linux. Windows Vista has worked fine up to now. I could play games like Crysis for hours. Ubuntu Linux 7.10 works with vesa drivers, but if I load the nvidia drivers, the system freezes after a few minutes (and no error messages appear ). Just after loading the nvidia drivers, glxgears renders 20000 fps, and according to nvidia-settings, opengl 2.1.2 is supported.
Does anyone of you have an idea where to start with trouble shooting? (memtest86 reported no errors).

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post #2 of 18
It's most likely an issue with drivers/Linux. I will point our resident Linux guru here to see if he may be able to help...

Sorry for the delayed response.
post #3 of 18
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It's most likely an issue with drivers/Linux. I will point our resident Linux guru here to see if he may be able to help...

Sorry for the delayed response.
No problem . According to this thread ( http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=103312 ) it may be a bug in the drivers. Sadly I don't know, how to install the drivers without envy, without envy, the screen only got black after installing the nvidia drivers (and editing xorg.conf).
post #4 of 18
I wouldn't call myself a linux guru...
I haven't dealt with the 8800 at all, and It's been a while since I've tried to install any nvidia drivers, but I'll try to help.

what version of the nvidia drivers are you using? (the latest is 169.12)

What method did you use, besides envy (which I have no experience with), to install the nvidia drivers? did you follow the instructions given here? If I'm not mistaken, you can also install them using the synaptic package manager, you might give that a shot.

I'll drop a PM to some others who will probably be more help than I am.

One more suggestion would be to give a look on the ubuntu forums, they usually have a lot of good help over there.

good luck,
post #5 of 18
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I wouldn't call myself a linux guru...
I haven't dealt with the 8800 at all, and It's been a while since I've tried to install any nvidia drivers, but I'll try to help.

what version of the nvidia drivers are you using? (the latest is 169.12)

What method did you use, besides envy (which I have no experience with), to install the nvidia drivers?
Did you follow the instructions given here? If I'm not mistaken, you can also install them using the synaptic package manager, you might give that a shot.
I am using version 169:09 of the nvidia drivers, and linux 2.6.22-14-generic. Install method besides envy: apt-get install nvidia-glx-new, and editing xorg.conf ('nvidia' instead of 'nv'). But giving this (http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_d...32_169.12.html ) a try might be a good idea.
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I'll drop a PM to some others who will probably be more help than I am.
Very kind of you .

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One more suggestion would be to give a look on the ubuntu forums, they usually have a lot of good help over there.

good luck,
In those forums I haven't found postings about similar problems yet .

Update: I tried to install the nvidia drivers by running the executable on this page: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_d...32_169.12.html , and the same failure appeared again. Just after some minutes after the first start, everything halted. But after the last start, it seems to be more stable. I have been running glxgears for 45 minutes. Then, for no reason, everything halted. GPU-temperature: 22 to 27 °C.
post #6 of 18
Hmm likely this thread will be better placed in the Linux section, not strictly notebook related, but in general we handle a variety of stuff over there.

At any rate, having problems understanding your update edit, is it working for you now?

In as far as the original problem, that is almost certainly a bug in the NVidia drivers. I can look around and see what I can find out about it, but in the meantime the first thing I might try is a different version, and if that is the newest try rolling back to an older version of the driver(Might be a regression). Sadly it is hard to troubleshoot these things as they are closed source, and the kernel folks won't help you because they really can't as there is now closed source things in your setup.

One other thing that it might be would be the card itself overheating, probably not likely however. There are other possibilities, but given that it seems to work in Windows I would count them out for the time being.

I can't say I have run with the 8000 series yet as my workstation died just as I got my 8600 GT in. However they should be supported.

Hmm taking a look at phoronix, it appears that Nvidia recently released an update to their drivers(What you downloaded via that link) that improves stability with the 8000 series. I would bet that if I am reading your last edit statement there correctly, this is what fixed your problem. For future reference, you in general will want to do most things through your package manager (APT/Synaptic) as that keeps your system a bit easier to manage. You don't have to, but some things will get confusing down the road sometimes.

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post #8 of 18
Thanks Buck.

To the OP... Welcome to our little corner of the Asylum!

Seablade
post #9 of 18
I thought about this off and on today and had another thought, are you by chance running Beryl? I had problems(and others have too) with Beryl causing system hangs. you might try using metacity (I forget what your options are).
post #10 of 18
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I thought about this off and on today and had another thought, are you by chance running Beryl? I had problems(and others have too) with Beryl causing system hangs. you might try using metacity (I forget what your options are).
No, I am running compiz. But the use of an 3d desktop manager does not seem to be the problem, as those system halts have appeared with and without running compiz. Preferably problems occur during moving windows accross the desktop.
post #11 of 18
So is it still freezing or no?

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post #12 of 18
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So is it still freezing or no?

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Jes . Sometimes after a long, long time, sometimes immediately after system start. I don't know, where to look, what happened (for instance log files).
post #13 of 18
The first thing to do is probably going to have to be to switch to the open source or vesa drivers. This will mean you will no longer be able to run a 3D window manager, but this is to see if that makes a difference.

If it does, then the problem is likely in the drivers. Unfortunately because those drivers are closed sourced we cannot trouble shoot past that, sorry. If that does not make a difference then we can continue troubleshooting.

Seablade
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The first thing to do is probably going to have to be to switch to the open source or vesa drivers. This will mean you will no longer be able to run a 3D window manager, but this is to see if that makes a difference.

If it does, then the problem is likely in the drivers. Unfortunately because those drivers are closed sourced we cannot trouble shoot past that, sorry. If that does not make a difference then we can continue troubleshooting.

Seablade
As I had do run ubuntu with vesa drivers for most the time, I am knowing now, using different drivers makes a difference .
post #15 of 18
If using the Vesa drivers increases your stability, there are two likely options. One is that Compiz was causing the freeze. It is not yet, I do not believe, the most stable thing in the world. Actually taking a quick look at a site or two, it appears Compiz will run with the Vesa drivers, so doing that first might narrow it down to whether it is the cause or not.

The second, and more annoying, is that the NVidia drivers might be buggy. Unfortunately with them, there is not much we can do. I can't even direct you to the kernel folks for that one as they can't do a thing for you. Other than wait for a new release to come out and hopefully fix their bug.

Seablade
post #16 of 18
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If using the Vesa drivers increases your stability, there are two likely options. One is that Compiz was causing the freeze. It is not yet, I do not believe, the most stable thing in the world. Actually taking a quick look at a site or two, it appears Compiz will run with the Vesa drivers, so doing that first might narrow it down to whether it is the cause or not.

The second, and more annoying, is that the NVidia drivers might be buggy. Unfortunately with them, there is not much we can do. I can't even direct you to the kernel folks for that one as they can't do a thing for you. Other than wait for a new release to come out and hopefully fix their bug.

Seablade
To work out, if the 64 bit version of the nvidia drivers increases stability, I installed the 64 bit version of Ubuntu today. Hopefully, the lockups don't come back again. The only thing, which has not worked was the boot splash screen, but that does not bother me , as the text modus can be accessed.
post #17 of 18
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To work out, if the 64 bit version of the nvidia drivers increases stability, I installed the 64 bit version of Ubuntu today. Hopefully, the lockups don't come back again. The only thing, which has not worked was the boot splash screen, but that does not bother me , as the text modus can be accessed.
NVIDIA only has one version of it's drivers available now - they're all 64 bit. Could still be that it's a bug that only crops up if you're running it on a 32bit system, so hopefully this will fix the problem, but it's probably a long shot.

I had to run a non-3D desktop in order to be stable (ie no compiz/Beryl) - you might be experiencing the same thing.
post #18 of 18
Hmm for the record, NVidia has another new version of their drivers out as of the 7th or March again, 171.06. I believe it is still a beta driver however and the only noted change is the addition of the 9600 support, but the bet is that there are some unnoted changes as well(Version numbering shift).

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