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post #81 of 146
4/2/08 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by Fenuxx View Post
3DMark also doesn't accurately represent the REAL-LIFE (i.e. in games) performance of a card. As you linked, the 8700M SLI beats out the 7950 GTX in 3DMark. However, in real life, the tables are turned.

This has been covered and covered and covered, even before the launch of the M1730, Diefool proved it, as well as many others. 3DMark means squat.
A 2000 point difference!?!? That's like saying my ole' M170 that got 2500 could outrun a 7900GTX with 4500! There's one thing I know why the 8700 beat's the 7950GTX that bad is because it's at 1280x1024. If I had the pro version I would do it at 1920x1200, then see what the results are.
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post #82 of 146
4/2/08 at 10:18pm
this has been proven as Fenuxx said over and over and over.

dual 8700s can't beat a single 7950 in fraps tests at high res.
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post #83 of 146
4/2/08 at 11:30pm
I'd say it really depends on what games.
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post #84 of 146
4/2/08 at 11:50pm
Plus take games like crysis for instance it is very hard for a GPU to run at WUXGA so the 7950 is outta luck the 8700 SLI will pound it. Not every game will run at 1920x1200 in the future, once that happens the 7950 will lose it's advantage.
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post #85 of 146
4/3/08 at 12:10am
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If you have 2 128bit buses you have a total of a 256bit Bus. Plus take games like crysis for instance it is very hard for a GPU to run at WUXGA so the 7950 is outta luck the 8700 SLI will pound it. Not every game will run at 1920x1200 in the future, once that happens the 7950 will lose it's advantage.
With SLI, 1+1 does NOT equal 2. Period. In SLI, 1+1 = roughly 1.5-1.7.

What does this mean? SLI doesn't give a 100% performance boost. 2 128-bit cards do not equal 1 256-bit card. Why don't you look at some performance numbers before you start making these claims (look at the aformentioned E1705/M1710/M1730 FRAPS Benchmarks Thread for starters).

You're starting to sound like Dell.
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post #86 of 146
4/3/08 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by Fenuxx View Post
With SLI, 1+1 does NOT equal 2. Period. In SLI, 1+1 = roughly 1.5-1.7.

What does this mean? SLI doesn't give a 100% performance boost. 2 128-bit cards do not equal 1 256-bit card. Why don't you look at some performance numbers before you start making these claims (look at the aformentioned E1705/M1710/M1730 FRAPS Benchmarks Thread for starters).

You're starting to sound like Dell.
I don't even get a 7FPS boost in UT3 with SLI
I though I deleted that
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post #87 of 146
4/3/08 at 1:05am
as long as the 8700 sli plays my games, its all good (its definately smoother than the 7900 gs IMO)

but then again, i never even look at framerates XD
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post #88 of 146
4/3/08 at 1:13am
Games like STALKER, COH, definately plays better on 8700GT SLI than the 7950GTX in my experience, even at high resolutions.
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post #89 of 146
4/3/08 at 2:23am
You might have to take your CPU into account.

Anyway, I really don't participate in debating matches. I have my preferences but I keep them to myself.
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post #90 of 146
4/3/08 at 12:59pm
I'd rather have 1 card than 2 cause SLI sucks!
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post #91 of 146
4/3/08 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by nonya24 View Post
3dmark06 is DX9 Here's 7950 http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-...TX.2121.0.html

Here's 8700 SLI http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-...LI.6933.0.html

I know 3dmark is just a number but that's a big difference.

Looking @ the charts. Compare F.E.A.R. and Doom @ 1024x768. The 7950GTX is performing WAAAAY better.
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post #92 of 146
4/3/08 at 4:28pm
When I had my 8700m GT´s in SLI I ran STALKER with Full HDR with framerates from 50-60 fps per second at 1920x1200. I would love to see a 7950GTX do that. I still conclude that in shader intensive games it is better to have a 8700m GT SLI than a single 7950GTX which is the old architecture by now. Personally I didn´t have any trouble running games in 1680x1050 or 1920x1200. I ran Oblivion unmodded maxed out 1920x1200 with framerates 30+ running outside on the horse.

But games gets more and more shader intensive and a 7950GTX doesn´t will not last very long with games becoming more and more shader intensive.
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post #93 of 146
4/3/08 at 4:47pm
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WOW I leave for a week and come back to find my thread has been hijacked hardcoreee.

Thanks people.
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post #94 of 146
4/3/08 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by HaCKs View Post
WOW I leave for a week and come back to find my thread has been hijacked hardcoreee.

Thanks people.
Ya, I changed the whole subject
I bet in a year the 7950 or 8700 SLI won't run games at 1920x1200... It'll be more like 1280x800 and there be DX10 only games by then. so the 7950 is shit outta luck.
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post #95 of 146
4/3/08 at 5:30pm
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Looking @ the charts. Compare F.E.A.R. and Doom @ 1024x768. The 7950GTX is performing WAAAAY better.
Doom 3 don't support SLI
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post #96 of 146
4/3/08 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by nonya24 View Post
Ya, I changed the whole subject
I bet in a year the 7950 or 8700 SLI won't run games at 1920x1200... It'll be more like 1280x800 and there be DX10 only games by then. so the 7950 is shit outta luck.
sli 8700s are allready forgotten about and shit outta luck.

so many issues for underperforming cards.

1 8800 is equal to 2 7950's combined.

and 1 7950 beats the sli 8700.
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post #97 of 146
4/3/08 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by pettersson72 View Post
When I had my 8700m GT´s in SLI I ran STALKER with Full HDR with framerates from 50-60 fps per second at 1920x1200. I would love to see a 7950GTX do that. I still conclude that in shader intensive games it is better to have a 8700m GT SLI than a single 7950GTX which is the old architecture by now. Personally I didn´t have any trouble running games in 1680x1050 or 1920x1200. I ran Oblivion unmodded maxed out 1920x1200 with framerates 30+ running outside on the horse.

But games gets more and more shader intensive and a 7950GTX doesn´t will not last very long with games becoming more and more shader intensive.
I think I may actually agree with almost entirely. The 7950GTX is a decent card, but these newer 3D apps really like these 8 series cards.

I know a 7950 can outrun an 8700SLI but im simply stating that the new architecture is what really helps them along
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post #98 of 146
4/3/08 at 7:23pm
yes. but the most hillarious thing is.

even with my 8800gtx I only use XP PRO and Dx9 so whats the point.

Plus I get better Frames per second in XP under dx9 over Vista where you get lower 3dmark scores and Fps .....

most people who are in it for the best performance only use dx9 +XP
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post #99 of 146
4/3/08 at 7:43pm
Another point I have is that newer games does like the new architecture and more and more games becomes shader intensive. I think in the end not even a 7950GTX will run a very shader intensive game any good at all, though I think the 8700m GT SLI will stand better even though playing at lower resolutions. But a 1440x900 resolution should be good to go for a while for the 8700m GT SLI where a 7950GTX will surely start to struggle soon since it does not have that many shader operations as the 8700m GT has.

Sure it is faster in older games but do a comparison and run both in Crysis 1440x900 and High and see where you stand. Just my opinion the 7950GTX is by no means a bad card, it is just that games to utilize shaders better and better and no one can deny that the 8700m GT literally crushes the 7950GTX when it comes to shaders.

That 8700m GT setup will do really well in 1440x900 and 1680x1050 for a time to come, actually it is only Crysis that bogs 8700m GT down, but a 7950GTX doesn´t fare any better in Crysis either.
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post #100 of 146
4/3/08 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by diefool View Post
sli 8700s are allready forgotten about and shit outta luck.

so many issues for underperforming cards.

1 8800 is equal to 2 7950's combined.

and 1 7950 beats the sli 8700.
That's bullshit right there 1 8800 = SLI 7950 WTF are you thinking? SLI 7950 is a hell of a GPU!
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