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post #1 of 30
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Of course it came with Vista because Dell wouldn't let me configure it without an OS. I already own a copy of XP Pro, and my original intent was to wipe the HD, install XP, and sell my copy of Vista on eBay. But now I'm toying with the idea of giving Vista a shot.

Thoughts??
post #2 of 30
Vista
post #3 of 30
XP Pro
post #4 of 30
Go with Vista first and if it really irks you, you can always go back to XP.
post #5 of 30
Thread Starter 
OK, thanks. Anyone have anymore detailed thoughts? I've never run Vista before and I know next to nothing about it. I assume it's a huge memory hog with a lot more visual bells and whistles, but probably not many practical/performance benefits. Is anyone else running XP on an M1530 (or M1330)? Specific advantages/disadvantages?
post #6 of 30
Vista
good
-pretty
bad
-Hibernation was taking 50 seconds to complete
-Scanner would not work with the 64bit version
-cant turn of thumbs.db creation

xp
good
-everything i do works
bad
no as pretty as vista
post #7 of 30
I have Vista... it was my first time trying it, and I assumed I wouldn't hang on to it for long, but I got used to it. I did some things to affect performance and available disk space (disabled hibernation, disabled system restore, disabled Windows Defender... but I don't use these features on my Windows XP machines anyway). It might be placebo effect but after installing SP1 it did seem to speed up the PC a bit. (For M1530 users reading: you may need to update your Upek (fingerprint reader) driver from Upek's site to get SP1 installed.)

On the other hand, I don't game as much as I used to, and I haven't installed Windows XP on my M1530, so I can't give a performance comparison between XP and Vista on the M1530. I am happy with Vista though.


Edit: I should have clarified about Vista SP1 a little better. To install Vista SP1, you may need to update the drivers for your fingerprint reader. See this link and check Cause #5:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/948343

The driver on Dell's website isn't (or wasn't for me) current enough for Vista SP1. I used the driver from UPEK's website:

http://www.upek.com/support/download...rs/windows.asp

...and after that I was able to install Vista SP1.

Hope this helps.
post #8 of 30
COD 4 runs great and I haven't done anything but normal windows updates. VISTA Ultimate 32 on 1530 and Vista Ultimate 64 on home built Q6600 power tower.
If you never accept improvement you never learn to manipulate it.
post #9 of 30
I've tried vista a couple of times and think its dog poo,I hope they can improve it a lot more speed wise in the future,or even better,release the next OS quickly and cut down on the bloated size for the next to no added functionality thing vista has going on.

I also use openGL Mcad software and could buy a new version to run it on vista at a 80% plus performance deficit over the version I have now on XP.

On the plus side,some games ONLY run a few percent slower on vista

Yup...vista is full of improvements

Try it out and see if you like it,its coming on your new pc installed so its not going to cost anything.....I'm all for trying new things.....just not perservering when they don't go as well as the old thing.
post #10 of 30
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned anything about Vista's 64-bit option. I assume that Dell only ships 32-bit versions of Vista (I didn't see see any 64-bit option), even with Core 2 Duo chips? It seems to me like moving to 64-bit processing is Vista's only significant advantage. But not many people must be doing it if Dell doesn't even offer Vista 64-bit. I guess it seems like a little bit of a waste to me to have a brand new 64-bit processor and a 32-bit version of a new OS, when a 64-bit version is out there.

Thoughts?
post #11 of 30
I think that for a $10 shipping fee anyone can get the 64 bit Windows upgrade program from MS once you've registered your 32 bit version.
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whats the difference between the 32 and 64 bit versions?
post #13 of 30
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Originally Posted by amm37 View Post
whats the difference between the 32 and 64 bit versions?
Well I don't want to get into the whole engineering of computer architecture here, but let's just say that one can process and transfer data in chunks twice as big as the other. This doesn't make a 64-bit system necessarily twice as fast as a 32-bit system, however, because a lot of the data that gets pushed around in a processor comes in chunks inherently smaller than 32-bits. But some calculations or memory accesses can be performed in half the time on a 64-bit system because the pipe that the data is flowing through is basically twice as wide.

Also, 32-bit architecture is only capable of addressing up to 4GB of memory (because the largest number that can be stored in a 32-bit register is 4,294,967,295 = 4GB). 64-bit architecture allows for a virtually limitless amount of memory (2^64 = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616).

Finally, for mathematical calculations involving numbers greater than 4 billion (2^32, to be precise), 32-bit architecture is extremely slow because the numbers cannot be stored in a single register. If you're adding or multiplying a bunch of really, really, really, really big numbers then a 64-bit system will make a huge improvement for you.
post #14 of 30
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Originally Posted by nmanley View Post
I think that for a $10 shipping fee anyone can get the 64 bit Windows upgrade program from MS once you've registered your 32 bit version.

Are you sure? I thought that was for retail versions for Vista only...not ones that come with systems, OEMs, etc.

I might be wrong. Do you have a link to MS's website with info on this program?
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by burghblast View Post
OK, thanks. Anyone have anymore detailed thoughts? I've never run Vista before and I know next to nothing about it. I assume it's a huge memory hog with a lot more visual bells and whistles, but probably not many practical/performance benefits. Is anyone else running XP on an M1530 (or M1330)? Specific advantages/disadvantages?
I was going to dump Vista in favor of XP Pro on my M1530 but I decided not to and instead just shut down alot of the crap that consumes memory and is basically not required. Thus far I have found that it kind of aproximates what I had with XP however it is kinda buggy right now (eg: IE reporting a problem in which it has to restart). I guess with time and updates these bug will be ironed out. I am prepared to put up with some of the idiosyncrasies of Vista because I have more than enough memory and cpu grunt to run it nicely.

I'm gonna keep a look out for tips and tricks to help you run Vista more smoothly. I am sure there are plenty out there...
post #16 of 30
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Originally Posted by burghblast View Post
Of course it came with Vista because Dell wouldn't let me configure it without an OS. I already own a copy of XP Pro, and my original intent was to wipe the HD, install XP, and sell my copy of Vista on eBay. But now I'm toying with the idea of giving Vista a shot.

Thoughts??

Many people have already chimed in on Vista vs WinXP.

But on another note, be aware that you CANNOT sell your copy of Vista on eBay. The copy of Vista is an OEM license, which means that it cannot be transfered to any other system. There are little tricks you can do to get around the technical limitations of the OEM software, but it is in violation of the licensing terms to transfer the license.
post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by kent1146 View Post
Many people have already chimed in on Vista vs WinXP.

But on another note, be aware that you CANNOT sell your copy of Vista on eBay. The copy of Vista is an OEM license, which means that it cannot be transfered to any other system. There are little tricks you can do to get around the technical limitations of the OEM software, but it is in violation of the licensing terms to transfer the license.

Yeah, and I *cannot* download MP3's on peer-to-peer networks either


Seriously though, what kind of "technical" limitations exist? The version of XP Pro that I have now is an OEM version that shipped with my current Dell laptop. You think it's somehow hardware keyed to the Inspiron 6000? Think I might have problems installing it on my new Dell laptop? If so, that is the most shameful and extortionate marketing ploy I've ever heard of, and I will probably have to fly to Austin and burn down Dell's corporate HQ
post #18 of 30
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Originally Posted by burghblast View Post
Yeah, and I *cannot* download MP3's on peer-to-peer networks either


Seriously though, what kind of "technical" limitations exist? The version of XP Pro that I have now is an OEM version that shipped with my current Dell laptop. You think it's somehow hardware keyed to the Inspiron 6000? Think I might have problems installing it on my new Dell laptop? If so, that is the most shameful and extortionate marketing ploy I've ever heard of, and I will probably have to fly to Austin and burn down Dell's corporate HQ
When attempting to transfer an OEM license from one system to another, it will require you to validate that install by either contacting Microsoft via Internet, or via phone. That validation will fail when transferring an OEM license. There are ways around that (which I won't get in to) so that it will TECHNICALLY work, but you will be violating licensing terms by doing so.

It's not a marketing ploy at all, it's just the way that retail vs OEM licensing is structured... Retail copies are more expensive, but allow you to transfer that OS between systems and call Microsoft directly for tech support. OEM licensing is much cheaper, does not allow you to transfer between systems, and requires that you call the computer manufacturer (Dell, HP, IBM, Sony, Toshiba, etc) for support.

I'm not trying say that I like or dislike it, I'm not trying to tell you what to do. I'm just letting you know what you would be getting yourself in to if you attempted to sell an OEM copy on Ebay by telling you the facts. What you do with these facts is entirely up to you.
post #19 of 30
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Originally Posted by kent1146 View Post
When attempting to transfer an OEM license from one system to another, it will require you to validate that install by either contacting Microsoft via Internet, or via phone. That validation will fail when transferring an OEM license. There are ways around that (which I won't get in to) so that it will TECHNICALLY work, but you will be violating licensing terms by doing so.

It's not a marketing ploy at all, it's just the way that retail vs OEM licensing is structured... Retail copies are more expensive, but allow you to transfer that OS between systems and call Microsoft directly for tech support. OEM licensing is much cheaper, does not allow you to transfer between systems, and requires that you call the computer manufacturer (Dell, HP, IBM, Sony, Toshiba, etc) for support.

I'm not trying say that I like or dislike it, I'm not trying to tell you what to do. I'm just letting you know what you would be getting yourself in to if you attempted to sell an OEM copy on Ebay by telling you the facts. What you do with these facts is entirely up to you.
Yeah I'm aware of this and I completely understand. But my question is specifically with regard to installing my own Dell OEM version of XP Pro (which shipped with an Inspiron 6000) on my new Dell laptop (which is an XPS M1530). How does the hardware-keying work? Does the install file on the OEM disc simply check a manufacturer flag somewhere in the BIOS, or is it keyed to a specific model (i.e., Inspiron vs. XPS)? Or, even more narrowly, to a specific configuration of a specific model (i.e., XPS M1330 vs. XPS M1530) ?
post #20 of 30
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Originally Posted by burghblast View Post
Yeah I'm aware of this and I completely understand. But my question is specifically with regard to installing my own Dell OEM version of XP Pro (which shipped with an Inspiron 6000) on my new Dell laptop (which is an XPS M1530). How does the hardware-keying work? Does the install file on the OEM disc simply check a manufacturer flag somewhere in the BIOS, or is it keyed to a specific model (i.e., Inspiron vs. XPS)? Or, even more narrowly, to a specific configuration of a specific model (i.e., XPS M1330 vs. XPS M1530) ?
The comments that I posted relate most specifically to your comment that you were thinking of selling your copy of Vista (OEM) on eBay if you were to switch over to Windows XP.

In regards to your attempt to move your OEM WinXP Pro from your Inspiron 6000 to your Dell XPS M1530... the hardware keying is based off of a combination of motherboard, CPU, NIC, and hard drive ID's (and probably more). Because of this, it is effectively keyed to your specific hardware... even attempting to move from one XPS M1530 to another identically configured XPS M1530 will trigger the authentication mechanism.

Having said that, you WILL trigger the authentication mechanism upon install, and will need to validate your copy of WinXP once you install it on your M1530. It isn't very hard to get around if you just do a search, but it's something that you will encounter.
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